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How about a JP Magic Ride - any good?
I had a go on the 119l years ago, 2016. They were ok, definitely easy to sail. I used a 8.5m Ezzy Lion which was probably to large for it, but the 119l/75cm was the only size they had on demo. Like most modern boards make sure to bear away slightly to get going, compared to longer narrower boards. But I found the deck shape underfoot to be too flat, I prefer a more rounded rail to wrap my feet around for comfort. I think they changed the shape slightly over the years. I sailed that at the OTC in Weymouth. They have/had several boards to test. They used to charge a reasonable amount for an hours sailing. I tested a number of boards in 2 hours when I was looking for a new board in 2016. Are you near there?
Have you looked on the Boardwise website. They probably have the largest stock of secondhand kit in the UK.
For a 9.2m this might be too small in very light winds.
www.boardwise.co.uk/collections/used-windsurfing-boards/products/2022-goya-bolt-pro-137
Have you tried asking on the Facebook groups. There must be loads of unused 80-85cm wide freeride/freerace kit in the UK people want to sell and no market for it as a lot of people have gone to foiling/winging.
www.facebook.com/groups/130039663788470
Specify exactly the type of board and where you are in the UK/world. I guarantee someone from miles away will offer up something unsuitable like a large FSW
I havent sailed a Volar, but test reviews were ok iirc, if you can trust them.
I forgot to say a lot of the Boardwise kit is ex-hire centre, so may have had a lot of use. None windy years, or an unpopular size not so much. That board has been re-gripped. But if you are only using the board on holiday a few times a year then it would still last a long time. Someone like me who used to sail whenever it was windy not so much.
Foil is the way to go. Marginal winds means 8-9m sail on fin or 7-8 on foil. As you already have Ws skills foiling could come quite easily. I foil in marginal and great conditions 98% of the time. Less dredging and more time zooming about. My biggest is 7.6, I'm 95kegs suited up. I had a sesh on the fin last weekend and was on 7.4 but would have had a blast on 5.6-6.2 foiling.
Those sound like good foiling conditions but frustrating on fin unless it's a raceboard (which I quite enjoy).
Actually you could start with the raceboard and an 8m foil sail since the two mix nicely then once you're feeling more comfortable add a foil board/foil.
The thing with raceboards is they are quite engaging even off the plane. I bring mine to my partner's family lake house and enjoy the change of pace cruising around in light wind with the occasional moment of planing.
Select to expand quoteLakkabay said..
How about a JP Magic Ride - any good?
Absolutely terrific board. - Plenty fast, very responsive, jibes well. Wish I had one!
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Unlikely I'll find the Thommen or Patrik for reasonable money in the UK - certainly can't find any second hand so it might have to be one of the Carves.
From reading magazines years ago the UK was big on Fanatic boards. There might be something out there like the Hawk? Well mannered boards. Longer and narrower than the fashion became. But I note that the major brands have done their experimenting with ultra short and wide boards for the average sailor and now have given boards more length and narrowed width. Works well in chop and ride not as hectic. It all depends on your objectives.
Have not tried foiling as time is limited. Foils may be a 24/7 kind of kit, but I just take it as it happens with force 3 to 4. The kit focus is on quality with a small quiver around the target use. Were I to replace the board it would be similar. The other thing to watch is the kind of fin box. Are they Tuttle (deep or not), Power, etc.; Nb Hawk had a Power Box. I think Tuttle is more common.
Power box is pretty much the standard for free ride, free wave boards, and smaller fins so don't worry about that.
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Power box is pretty much the standard for free ride, free wave boards, and smaller fins so don't worry about that.
Not so good for a 9.2m. Since foiling & winging came along you can buy quality secondhand carbon fins cheap in deep tuttle box as there is no demand for them. Shame JP have stuck with PB.
Select to expand quoteLakkabay said..
How about a JP Magic Ride - any good?
Morning,
Sorry to jump in, looking at getting a freeride board, I've got full slingshot windfoiling gear, but been off the water for a fair time, want to get back to basics,
I'm 93kg, sail on sea and estuary looking at
129 magic ride
135 geko
130 Goya velor
Anyone have experience and thete thoughts on the above?
Thanks
J. ( Based Devon UK)
Lots of contrasting opinions here. So if the primary objective is to get planing as soon as possible on an easy to use board carrying a big-ish rig is it better to go longer and thinner, or shorter and wider (but not formula board width). Seems like we're going full circle. I'm a bit fixated with the 2 Carves I'm following, one a 144 from 2020 and the other a 149 from 2023. The former is wider and shorter (83 x 237) and states it's happy with a 6.5-9.5 range of sails while the latter is narrower and longer (80 x 247) and is best with a sail range of 6.0 - 9.0. Would there really be any difference between them given the intended purpose is to try and get going on a lake in marginal winds with 8.5 and 9.2sails?
Select to expand quoteLakkabay said..
Lots of contrasting opinions here. So if the primary objective is to get planing as soon as possible on an easy to use board carrying a big-ish rig is it better to go longer and thinner, or shorter and wider (but not formula board width). Seems like we're going full circle. I'm a bit fixated with the 2 Carves I'm following, one a 144 from 2020 and the other a 149 from 2023. The former is wider and shorter (83 x 237) and states it's happy with a 6.5-9.5 range of sails while the latter is narrower and longer (80 x 247) and is best with a sail range of 6.0 - 9.0. Would there really be any difference between them given the intended purpose is to try and get going on a lake in marginal winds with 8.5 and 9.3 sails?
I think it has to do with rider weight. If your light , wider is better. If your heavy, longer and narrower is better. If your medium weight ,your two boards could feel the same ish.
All things being equal.
From what i learn: longer thinner will need less power rig and work with a passive ride.
Read this: www.surf-magazin.de/en/windsurfing/windsurf-boards/freerace-and-race/test-2020-early-gliding-boards-xxl/
Wider - especially in the tail - can handle a longer fin, thus a bigger sail - and both will benefit early planing.
Even passively as long as the planing flat is not too short (like some slalom boards have).
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At Serres Pon?on crots spot you ll find to rent everthing you need to start flying, take some lessons first so you'll start in best conditions with right kit. This is where i return to windsurfing after 15years break.
That's the place. Spent many years windsurfing there during summer holidays (we stay with my cousin who has a house near Briancon). Loved it there, especially when blasting with my old Futura and very old Sailworks XT 8.5. I'm planning on leaving any kit at his place so I don't have to take it with me each time I travel from the UK. I'm also not planning on windsurfing / foiling in the UK - I just don't have the time- so it'll be a holiday pastime. However I'm hoping to spend more time out there next year (combine it with a bit of work) but my concern is that I wouldn't be able to dedicate enough time to get the hang of foiling enough to buy my own kit, so the original intention was just to pick up some newer, more modern windsurfing gear suitable for the lake as I already know how to do that. I tried snowboarding once on a 1 week skiing trip, never again! Just not enough time to get the hang of it in order to enjoy it. With a fin I know I can always jump on it (although I'm a bit rusty, older with a bad back) and have a blast - assuming the wind is strong enough and the board is 'big' enough. So perhaps the answer is to get a suitable windsurfing board and then if I have a bit more time at the lake I'll take a few lessons in foiling.
LT Windsurfer gives you a simple package, perfect holiday kit, 1 x Board 1 x Sail, 5knts to 30knts (check windsurf LT Geraldton). It's become my go to board until surf too big. Modern LT bottom shape is a blast on the plane. It's not the high performance of the posts you've received, but for getting out as much as your holiday time allows it's worth considering. I'm 65. Mike
Select to expand quoteoldmic said..Lakkabay said..lemat said..
At Serres Pon?on crots spot you ll find to rent everthing you need to start flying, take some lessons first so you'll start in best conditions with right kit. This is where i return to windsurfing after 15years break.
That's the place. Spent many years windsurfing there during summer holidays (we stay with my cousin who has a house near Briancon). Loved it there, especially when blasting with my old Futura and very old Sailworks XT 8.5. I'm planning on leaving any kit at his place so I don't have to take it with me each time I travel from the UK. I'm also not planning on windsurfing / foiling in the UK - I just don't have the time- so it'll be a holiday pastime. However I'm hoping to spend more time out there next year (combine it with a bit of work) but my concern is that I wouldn't be able to dedicate enough time to get the hang of foiling enough to buy my own kit, so the original intention was just to pick up some newer, more modern windsurfing gear suitable for the lake as I already know how to do that. I tried snowboarding once on a 1 week skiing trip, never again! Just not enough time to get the hang of it in order to enjoy it. With a fin I know I can always jump on it (although I'm a bit rusty, older with a bad back) and have a blast - assuming the wind is strong enough and the board is 'big' enough. So perhaps the answer is to get a suitable windsurfing board and then if I have a bit more time at the lake I'll take a few lessons in foiling.
LT Windsurfer gives you a simple package, perfect holiday kit, 1 x Board 1 x Sail, 5knts to 30knts (check windsurf LT Geraldton). It's become my go to board until surf too big. Modern LT bottom shape is a blast on the plane. It's not the high performance of the posts you've received, but for getting out as much as your holiday time allows it's worth considering. I'm 65. Mike
Yes and LT work nice with all kind of sail.
