Select to expand quotewindsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn
At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig 
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..
Cam have you sailed an LT yet.
No I haven't and quite honestly that rig is a big turn off for me but I am a heavyweight and I just can't see that 5.7mtr sail ever delivering enough power while maintaining a stable shape on a race course.
you have spent a lot of time and effort bagging something across multiple threads that you have never used. gotta love the internet.
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..
you have spent a lot of time and effort bagging something across multiple threads that you have never used. gotta love the internet.
I thought the link to the Olympic bid was posted to promote a discussion.
Select to expand quotecammd said..Gestalt said..
Cam have you sailed an LT yet.
No I haven't and quite honestly that rig is a big turn off for me but I am a heavyweight and I just can't see that 5.7mtr sail ever delivering enough power while maintaining a stable shape on a race course.
Um the heavy weights had a lot of entrants at the nationals ,
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
You do understand the bid entails 12 course races double elimination slalom, freestyle and a marathon
I love the LT, it is great. It should be an Olympic class - if it doesn't make it in the Olympic bid, then I don't really care because the LT will continue to be bigger than the RSX which board has really been a disaster for the sport in Australia at least. The Mistral One Design should never have been dropped. The LT rig is a tractor, set it full and it powers you- it actually is a great sail reminds me of the Neil Pryde Stratos. The simplicity is great one sail, board and rig for all races and conditions 0-30 knots plus. The LT board is just marvellous with the ability to rail upwind and it is great off the wind and reaching particularly riding the small wave chop on the Swan River. I am a heavyweight at 98kg but my goal is to lose 10 kg in the next year...that is a good thing. We have champions of yesteryear returning to the sport in droves here in WA. Greg Johns and Bruce Wylie should be congratulated for their efforts. Young sailors are also joining the fleets here in Perth seeing this as the natural progression after competing in top dinghy classes. Thanks for this board and the round the buoys course racing experience it is bringing back to all of us. There is nothing better.
Select to expand quoteazuli said..windsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn
At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/
You do realise the cost factor of all these updates , the carbon top section which made no difference at all only in price.
Its not going as smoothly as you think. Some laser sailors are not happy with the changes as the cost is just too much and will not change. With all these changes why not sail a diffferent class eg Wasp . Thy are even thinking about going up on foils.
Select to expand quotewindsufering said..azuli said..windsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn
At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/
You do realise the cost factor of all these updates...
Actually, just comparing the published retail prices of Windsurfer LT rig with Bic Techno rig pack and they are about the same...
Windsurfer LT Rig Pack (6.0 Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul): $1481
Bic Techno Rig Pack (Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul):
Bic Techno 6.8 Rig Pack $1549
Bic Techno 7.8 Rig Pack $1449
Bic Techno 8.5 Rig Pack $1699
What's the feedback from the Gurus at the Nationals in regards to how the Lt sails upwind?
Select to expand quoteazuli said..windsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn
At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/
Define "modern". The laser is the worlds most popular and top selling dinghy in 2019 apart perhaps from the sprit rigged opti. If you judge things on what actually works in the modern age the laser rig is very modern
the laser class has said that it is NOT replacing the current rigs, thank god. How would that go? If I buy a new rig and no one else at my club does I have no one to play with. If three or four of us get new rigs then the kids and people who can't afford them are stuffed either way our club fleet is stuffed. And why? So we can finish one minute earlier? Who cares!!
Look at the most modern dinghy there is - the moth. Amazing boats but only 34 at the nationals. Fleet numbers are stagnant and the class report only one junior sailor in the whole country.
We can either go with gear that works in terms of getting people afloat or with gear that doesn't. It seems an easy choice
Select to expand quotecammd said..
The RSX was a more modern design than the mistral it replaced, in particular the rig, the mistral was a more modern design than the lechner and the lechner was a more modern design than the windglider. The wally would be bucking that pattern by regressing back to the windglider era with that rig
Can you really see that 5.7mtr rig being selected as the new 2024 windsurfing equipment, I can't regardless of who's connected to who.
I don't want the Wally to be the Olympic board. However if we look at all round speed I think you'll find that the lechner was faster than the imco and the imco faster than the rsx. The light wind speed advantage of the lechner was pretty huge. Similarly when we raced imco v rsx the imco won just about every time.
The 5.7 isn't inherently a bad sail. It's much lighter than newer sails and produces heaps of power. The draft moves around so you can get good light wind speed from a small rig at the cost of a heavier back hand and higher drag in strong winds. In a world in which most sailing centres see winds of less than 10 knots most of the time it's a very good rig for its purpose
Select to expand quotewindsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
You do understand the bid entails 12 course races double elimination slalom, freestyle and a marathon
Would Olympic sailors be encouraged to wear fancy dress for the freestyle? The wally culture is very unique, seems very relaxed , with an emphasis on fun events and a good social scene. Olympic sailing is the polar opposite. Its all high stakes, super serious, massive pressure to perform type environment where fun and socialising are the least important things. Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.
Select to expand quotecammd said..windsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
You do understand the bid entails 12 course races double elimination slalom, freestyle and a marathon
Would Olympic sailors be encouraged to wear fancy dress for the freestyle? The wally culture is very unique, seems very relaxed , with an emphasis on fun events and a good social scene. Olympic sailing is the polar opposite. Its all high stakes, super serious, massive pressure to perform type environment where fun and socialising are the least important things. Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.
Or would suddenly the Olympics become dominated by grinning,fancy dress wearing rail riders?? Personally I really enjoy the LT as a board that is fun to sail in a wide wind range and takes about five minutes to rig. That my wife loves sailing ours is a testament to it. She has hated every other longboard I have tried to get her to sail and has been "short boards only" for 15 plus years. The LT- whole new approach from her.
Im thrilled windsurfing is staying in the olympics. For 2024 seeing either a flexible Formula/foil setup OR the LT would be awesome. But though the former would be spectacular the LT would represent mass access. My vote would be LT but having all options up for discussion makes sense.
Select to expand quotecammd said..windsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
You do understand the bid entails 12 course races double elimination slalom, freestyle and a marathon
Would Olympic sailors be encouraged to wear fancy dress for the freestyle? The wally culture is very unique, seems very relaxed , with an emphasis on fun events and a good social scene. Olympic sailing is the polar opposite. Its all high stakes, super serious, massive pressure to perform type environment where fun and socialising are the least important things. Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.
LOL you been sillly now. To imply that Wally sailors don't take their Racing Serious,
Please give your self a upper cut !
Select to expand quotecammd said..Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.
As has proven to be the case with other selections.
If I was a Windsurfer one design fan (and I am starting to warm up to it again), I would dred the idea of the class being in the Olympics. It would most likely stuff up everything that makes the class successful now.
^^^ +1 Mr Sailquik !! Its the fun side that will make windsurfing popular again.
And another thing!
ENOUGH with this Ballsheete about 0-30 knots!!
I probably sail in 30 knots winds more than 99% of the windsurfers in Australia, and there is NO WAY, I would be hanging on to a Wally sail in a TRUE 30 knots! Get real! 
Maybe, the big heavy guys can survive a very brief 30 knot bullet gust when the average wind strength is closer to 20 Knots, but that is a very different matter, and very misleading.
If I was at any race board regatta where it was solidly over 25 knots, I would be sitting on the beach watching the macho masochism and carnage of those silly enough to try to race. 
(And this is exactly what I have done in the past at raceboard regattas many years ago).
But I agree completely, that the WSOD rig is great in lighter winds,
Select to expand quoteorrock27 said..
I want one
how are the fleet sizes looking and where are the next nationals????
orrock27 we had over 20 on the start line in our first 3 WA State Titles races on Sunday. The WA fleet is highly competitive including former national, PWA and world champions and we even have some young gun sailors in their early 20s and younger teens. Things are hotting up for sure and the spirit of stoke is alive. Get on board now as the worlds are being planned for the Swan River in 2020. You can charter a board for this Sunday's club racing for a small fee at MBSC by contacting Denis Jones. I think the next nationals are in Adelaide.
Select to expand quoteazuli said..windsufering said..azuli said..windsufering said..AUS 814 said..
With the current rig zero chance, with a slightly bigger more modern rig, .....???????
They keep saying that about the 470 , laser , and Finn
At least it looks like the Laser is getting a modern rig
This year, the Laser is 50 years old. It's truly amazing how well Bruce Kirby's design and Ian Bruce's production techniques have stood the test of time. But change is inevitable and the Mark II sail was an attempt to extend the life of Bruce's original design. This year we'll see the introduction of brand new carbon rigs that will extend the life of the class...
www.impropercourse.com/
You do realise the cost factor of all these updates...
Actually, just comparing the published retail prices of Windsurfer LT rig with Bic Techno rig pack and they are about the same...
Windsurfer LT Rig Pack (6.0 Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul): $1481
Bic Techno Rig Pack (Sail/Mast/Boom/MastBase/Uphaul):
Bic Techno 6.8 Rig Pack $1549
Bic Techno 7.8 Rig Pack $1449
Bic Techno 8.5 Rig Pack $1699
Um who is selling the bic techno rigs at that price ?
BTW in melb, we are getting alot of inquires from laser sailors because the threat of the class becoming a elite
class, they want to sell while they still can
Select to expand quotesailquik said..cammd said..Getting selected as the Olympic equipment could be a poison chalice.
As has proven to be the case with other selections.
If I was a Windsurfer one design fan (and I am starting to warm up to it again), I would dred the idea of the class being in the Olympics. It would most likely stuff up everything that makes the class successful now.
I'm just curious what are the other selections ?
Select to expand quotesailquik said..
And another thing!
ENOUGH with this Ballsheete about 0-30 knots!!
( you don't race in 30 knots )
I probably sail in 30 knots winds more than 99% of the windsurfers in Australia, and there is NO WAY, I would be hanging on to a Wally sail in a TRUE 30 knots! Get real!
( you don't sail a Wally and that's your choice)
Maybe, the big heavy guys can survive a very brief 30 knot bullet gust when the average wind strength is closer to 20 Knots, but that is a very different matter, and very misleading.
( they do )
If I was at any race board regatta where it was solidly over 25 knots, I would be sitting on the beach watching the macho masochism and carnage of those silly enough to try to race. (And this is exactly what I have done in the past at raceboard regattas many years ago).
( that's nice to know , the Wally fleet is larger than the RB fleet too )
But I agree completely, that the WSOD rig is great in lighter winds,
Select to expand quotesailquik said..
And another thing!
ENOUGH with this Ballsheete about 0-30 knots!!Select to expand quotewindsufering said..you don't race in 30 knots
FFS! I just said that!!
But to be charitable, possibly you ment to say - 'The fleet does not race in 30Kts." Well, OF COURSE NOT! (Back of hand to forehead)Select to expand quotesailquik said.. I probably sail in 30 knots winds more than 99% of the windsurfers in Australia, and there is NO WAY, I would be hanging on to a Wally sail in a TRUE 30 knots! Get real! Select to expand quotewindsufering said.. you don't sail a Wally and that's your choice.
FFS! What has that got to do with anything? Neither would any sane person in a TRUE 30 Knots! That was my point! (Roll eyes)Select to expand quotesailquik said.. Maybe, the big heavy guys can survive a very brief 30 knot bullet gust when the average wind strength is closer to 20 Knots, but that is a very different matter, and very misleading .Select to expand quotewindsufering said..they do
Whoopeedoooo! Select to expand quotesailquik said.. If I was at any race board regatta where it was solidly over 25 knots, I would be sitting on the beach watching the macho masochism and carnage of those silly enough to try to race. (And this is exactly what I have done in the past at raceboard regattas many years ago).Select to expand quotewindsufering said..that's nice to know , the Wally fleet is larger than the RB fleet too
And why is that 'nice to know' smartypants? is this a 'mine is bigger than yours' competition?
I dont sail raceboards anymore either. Did you get the bit where I said I am getting interested in sailing Wallys again?
Very 'welcoming and encouraging' statements from someone who is abviously a Wally Fanboy. Thanks for your interest.
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But, again, I agree completely, that the WSOD rig is great in lighter winds, 
I use a Wally in light winds and for strong winds I get sensible and go GPS racing with proper gear. Each to their own
Select to expand quotekato said..
I use a Wally in light winds and for strong winds I get sensible and go GPS racing with proper gear. Each to their own
I like your style , always been into small boards But recently enjoy a RB with a devious smile.
Ive gone an additional step , I'm starting to get into the F word . .........foiling ..........
( is that the coy look )
Im into new experiences and I also want to get into small surf , I'm in big swell every day so maybee I'm half way ?
Gotta be better than digging stump holes .
What ever happens , don't let me try the K word. I'm a smiling kind of guy and I don't want that removed . Im too old to work for airport security.
If it doesn't have a foil under it,,,,,, why bother as it will not be fast enough for the Olympics . They are trying to modernize the games to get more interest/viewers, so they wont be interested in the older, slow, yawn, done before style of poledancing, that no one ever watched, but the faster more modern style that people may find interesting to watch,,,,,, FOILS.
I mean, be honest, would you rather watch windsufering racing in 10 knot with them hardly moving pumping their sails to try move faster than Eric the eel , or a fast race of foilers battling it out neck and neck around a course, in the same wind ???? Well derrrrrr, simples.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
If it doesn't have a foil under it,,,,,, why bother
Don't do it fullo .
Your in enough trouble as it is , you naughty boy you.
