Severne Turbo compared to NCX for bearaways and control

Not related to your question, but curious. What size lines do you run ?. Do you use a seat harness ?. What's your height ?

Hi Sue I'm maybe not much help but I think cams are a great help when running down wind with a gust .
I'm more of a free rider and wanna be GPS rider so my sails are 7,0 M5 severne ,and 1 x 8,6 overdrive and 2 cam Ezzy Lions .The lion gets me
to a reasonable speed ,it has a very small luff pocket and carry's very little water ,the full race sail has way better top end but does take more commitment ,I never put my race sails in the water if I can help it
unless I can stand up .bloody heavy with water .the speed is worth it ,
Rough water the lion is easy to handle .

If you liked the Turbo and had a good time with it and can get one made ,I would go that way .

Reason why I'm asking SBC, after 2011, Severne cut out their boom pockets much higher. I ended up taking my 2012 NCX Pro's to a sail maker (back in 2012) to lower the pocket. This was the same for a 2013 Turbo, and a 2019 NCX. In the end, I figured these sails were designed for 6 foot dudes, and/or with a waist harness. Severne probably don't test with the booms hard into the lower part of the pocket, so, I left Severne. So, I had to run very long lines, being a seat harness. Too higher boom made sail less optimal for bottom end wind range with seat harness. O/P top end, no issue. I can't use waist harness, due to upper back issue. But, waist harness would have probably solved bottom end issue for me with the Severnes.

Yes, don't mix mast brands, unless you know what you're doing. I really struggled to dial in my last NCX with my non-Severne masts. For my 2016 Ezzy Cheetah, I had to dial it in with some special rigging. Cheetah + CC mast, was horrible.

Searoamer: Depends on what you want to do. The Cheetah is good for people to participate in GPSTC with health/body issues, which prevents them using a heavy/wieldy speed rig. Maybe the new Cheetahs are better design ?, but my 2016 5.5 Cheetah was a slug bearing away. To give you an idea, I could barely get my Cheetah above 30kt 2sec. This was a dialed in rig, best conditions. Flattest water. My KARace 5.5, with mismatched mast, same board, same fin: 33-34kt 2sec consistently. It would do more with proper SDM mast. The Cheetahs are great in the ocean, beam reach. Can't beat them for that IMO. I wish I didn't sell mine. Stupidest decision ever.

I dunno SBC, when I have to rig a sail like that (with boom rammed down into the bottom pocket), that tells me I'm too small for sail. Speaking for myself here, high booms are good. It makes the rig efficient, and makes planing gybes easy. But, it gets to a point where as boom goes higher and higher, and the lines get longer and longer, the rig becomes inefficient. It's like having a too lower boom. Each sail will have that happy boom height. It works out for me that: wave gear, generally I run 28cm lines. For Slalom/speed, I run 26cm lines as I can commit more to the rig during bear aways. If it's a brand new slalom/speed sail, I run variable lines, and play with boom height and line length to see what size produces the best speed. I normally like boom between chin and eyes when standing up straight on board. This is all with seat harness of course. I'm 172cm.

I've had Turbos 6m, 6.5m, 7.5m and 8.6m. Now just have the 8.6m and NCX 6m, 6.5m and 7m.

NCX is fine in chop. Easier to rig and no luff to fill in higher wind, choppier conditions. I find them stable enough.

Turbos have a little edge in lulls and my speeds were typically a knot faster, although was younger and fitter so might not just be the sail. Better in low end wind range.

Last week saw a brand new NCX 6.5m rigged up and it has a lot more shape than mine, looked excellent.

Overall, I find the NCX easier and the tradeoffs are ok for Swan River sailing in Perth.

Hi Sue
I feel for you. I have them all in the +/-7m range : NCX, OD, Moto, Turbo and even Gator (2022-25). Still
cant make up my mind. The NCX is light and fast, I stay out longer and can hold on the upper end for a long way. But I love using the Turbo for its low end and feel altho I am not as comfortable at its top end so top speed is less. OD is a shorter full on session. Am trying to enjoy the Moto but same thoughts as you, in my hands it seems to have neither of either rather than best of both altho when well powered its a joy. 6m NCX is my fave of all when it blows and expect to break 35 knts with it comfortably in flat water bear aways and its comfy in chop - but in lighter wind a 7ish Turbo rather than a 7,8 Moto or large NCX would be my keeper if I had to choose just one if only because it deals with the lulls better. Good luck finding that Turbo feeling again.

Thought about it again, to reply to your question : if I was looking for speed runs I would take the NCX rather than Turbo. It feels like it can just keep going faster as wind increases and in comfortable control whereas the Turbo seems to top out sooner as I get nervous in bigger gusts. However my off-the-wind run is short so cannot really comment on the advantages of cambers at a wide angle. In short, oddly the Moto feels kinda more similar to NCX than to Turbo. Except that I hate swimming with the Moto.

Hi,
if your concern of the moto is lack of low-end grunt, the NCX won't be the solution. NCX have even less low end, and you get stalled in lulls where a turbo would just carry you through. On the other end, turbos max out rather early when the wind picks up.

My solution was ODs - have them in all sizes, and while in the low end they have a bit less grunt than the turbo, in the top end they are just phenomenal in translating gusts into speed. That being said, I rig my overdrives always a size bigger to have the low-end punch, but still can handle the gusts.

If you want a small mast sleeve and rather low-end grunt, the turbo not the NCX s the sail to go - if you can still get one!

best
mariachi76