Its a good video, there is still life in old kit even if its not as user friendly.
I think it prompted Maciek Rutkowski to put his video on youtube, apparently it was filmed earlier this year.
Just 1.5 knots slower on speed, but way down on early planing, acceleration, gybing, comfort etc. If he had used an old fin and rig there might be more of a difference, although Jim Crossley (UK speed sailor) has done some runs on all old kit and been around 10% slower. But top speed was the only criteria it was close on.
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
These videos are nice, but sort of confirm the obvious: boards have improved (a lot!) in the last two decades. The idea that somehow all that board development was all for nought seems to be a bit more than silly ...
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
Bus still superior at feeling good! 
Select to expand quoteShifu said..Gestalt said..
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
Bus still superior at feeling good!
Feels like the Severne fox put that idea to bed.
So i guess we can say its the width and not the length... lol...the old windsurfing double entendre
Not saying old crap is nearly as good as new state of the art.
Please feel really bad when someone on 10 year...or 15 year old gear constantly passes you.
He says the Mistral Energy is fast and he hasn't even used it properly-speaks volume for a board which costs now less than a carton of cans if you find one- a lot cheaper than the JP boards and better to recycle in the current climate change risks we are facing. Do it for the children and your kids ! I suspect he would have enjoyed a Mistral Screamer LCS more although not as fast. Also I did not see him pull out the daggerboard of the Windsurfer on "the fly" which I suspect a modern pro would not know how to do on the fly, unless of course you are a veteran like Scotty McKercher or similar.
We DO know the sailor is part of the equation, and that sailor needs time to dial and acclimate to any gear different than his own.
How many hours did it take you to dial in a new board?
3 runs? I doubt that..
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^^ I've ALWAYS found its more about how you use it.
ha! lol......
You mean 2020 gear against his superiors using 1999 gear?
Probably improve a few places, that's all, until his gear get's damaged..irreplaceable?..or his competitors look at his gear and get the same thing within 2 weeks.
Select to expand quoteShifu said..Gestalt said..
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
Bus still superior at feeling good!
I really don't think a long and narrow board "feels good" when going downwind in chop and swell. Or, as the video points out, when trying to jibe in overpowered conditions. ...
The last hang out I owned of that era, a 2008 100L Carbon Art Slalom 250x58, was significantly less comfortable (read scary and catchy) than the same year Exocet Slalom 235x62 when pointing down wind. Go back the previous slalom generation and my 98L Sonic 274 x 58 was lovely in acceleration, felt fast (not sure it was, I had no GPS), and it was simply terrifying in high winds. 
Slalom racing.
If someone came up with a new design that is superior, 1/3 of the fleet knows about it within one race or 3 weeks of testing.
2/3rds of them will have copies within. 2 weeks.
Sorry, I don't know how or why the highlights.
Yesterday on the river in a gusty North Westerly around fifteen to very high twenties wind Slowboat was smoking on a 2005 Carbon Art 129 litre.
It felt pretty choppy to me but he reckoned it was quite flat.
Not sure its dimensions something like 250 by 68. He was on a 6.3m KA and one of his new 36cm carbon fins.
I was on a 5m race sail with max downhaul and was still overpowered in the gusts.
I was amazed how fast he was going in the 25 to 30 knot gusts. Only found out afterwards he was on a big board.
I heard he did go over the front once though 
93kgs helps a LOT.
Yeah, huge advantage in high wind for big boyz.
I wished I was 6'2" and 92 kgs., but I am stuck at 5-10" and 74 kgs.
The thing is that while Nico is obviously a fantastic slalom sailor, he hasn't got the faintest idea of how to sail a Windsurfer, so it's a completely unfair "test". He's also sailing in conditions suited to slalom gear. It's as if a top Windsurfer sailor who had never stepped on a modern board was comparing them in 6 knots of wind; they'd say the slalom rig was stupidly heavy, the board was slow, and the whole setup was impossible to sail.
It's like bikes; if you compare a 1970 road bike with a 2020 dual suspension mountain bike on a rocky downhill course with a rider who has always had suspension and discs, the old bike looks terrible. But put them both on the tarmac with wind and a climb, and in the hands of someone who knows that style of bike, it's a very different story
Yup, all those "tests" of old vs new don't allow for rider acclimation and tuning of the old gear against state of the art well tuned and balanced new gear.
The reduction in length over the last 20 years is not as important as the changes in rail shape, tail width, thickness and cutouts.
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The thing is that while Nico is obviously a fantastic slalom sailor, he hasn't got the faintest idea of how to sail a Windsurfer, so it's a completely unfair "test". He's also sailing in conditions suited to slalom gear. It's as if a top Windsurfer sailor who had never stepped on a modern board was comparing them in 6 knots of wind; they'd say the slalom rig was stupidly heavy, the board was slow, and the whole setup was impossible to sail.
It's like bikes; if you compare a 1970 road bike with a 2020 dual suspension mountain bike on a rocky downhill course with a rider who has always had suspension and discs, the old bike looks terrible. But put them both on the tarmac with wind and a climb, and in the hands of someone who knows that style of bike, it's a very different story
This is true and the sail did not have enough downhaul for the wind conditions. This does not change the fact that the OD is a dog to sail in those conditions.
That's not an OD, it's an original design Aka Regatta. The originals are much harder to sail in a breeze than the OD. Whether the OD is a dog depends on the sailor's skills and preferences. A 4wd may seem like a dog to a Porsche owner but put them in the bush and see what happens.
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The reduction in length over the last 20 years is not as important as the changes in rail shape, tail width, thickness and cutouts.
the thing is,
the reduction in length (or rather the increase in width) is exactly what drove the changes in rail shape, tail width, thickness and cutouts. volume redistribution brought on by plan shape changes.
Select to expand quoteduzzi said..Shifu said..Gestalt said..
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
Bus still superior at feeling good!
I really don't think a long and narrow board "feels good" when going downwind in chop and swell. Or, as the video points out, when trying to jibe in overpowered conditions. ...
If you go to either extreme of being long and narrow (Raceboard) vs short and wide (Formula) for "feels good" down wind the long and narrow feels soooooooooooo much better. My heart rate would be probably 30% less on a RB powered up down wind vs being on a Formula in the same conditions.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
Yesterday on the river in a gusty North Westerly around fifteen to very high twenties wind Slowboat was smoking on a 2005 Carbon Art 129 litre.
It felt pretty choppy to me but he reckoned it was quite flat.
Not sure its dimensions something like 250 by 68. He was on a 6.3m KA and one of his new 36cm carbon fins.
I was on a 5m race sail with max downhaul and was still overpowered in the gusts.
I was amazed how fast he was going in the 25 to 30 knot gusts. Only found out afterwards he was on a big board.
I heard he did go over the front once though
93kgs helps a LOT.
PM33 is back??
Hash brown don't fill so bad,Chris is a freak.l guess that's what 30 years of windsurfing can do to someone.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
Yeah, huge advantage in high wind for big boyz.
I wished I was 6'2" and 92 kgs., but I am stuck at 5-10" and 74 kgs.
Swings and roundabouts. In the light stuff you're off and flying way before me (6'2, 96kg) on smaller more fun gear
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..Chris 249 said..
The thing is that while Nico is obviously a fantastic slalom sailor, he hasn't got the faintest idea of how to sail a Windsurfer, so it's a completely unfair "test". He's also sailing in conditions suited to slalom gear. It's as if a top Windsurfer sailor who had never stepped on a modern board was comparing them in 6 knots of wind; they'd say the slalom rig was stupidly heavy, the board was slow, and the whole setup was impossible to sail.
It's like bikes; if you compare a 1970 road bike with a 2020 dual suspension mountain bike on a rocky downhill course with a rider who has always had suspension and discs, the old bike looks terrible. But put them both on the tarmac with wind and a climb, and in the hands of someone who knows that style of bike, it's a very different story
This is true and the sail did not have enough downhaul for the wind conditions. This does not change the fact that the OD is a dog to sail in those conditions.
The thing that matters the most in the conditions the Windsurfer is used is the rider on any identical board. Everything else is detail.
Select to expand quotecammd said..duzzi said..Shifu said..Gestalt said..
this video will hopefully put to bed the idea that longer narrower shapes are somehow superior at early planing, upwind and gybing.
Bus still superior at feeling good!
I really don't think a long and narrow board "feels good" when going downwind in chop and swell. Or, as the video points out, when trying to jibe in overpowered conditions. ..
If you go to either extreme of being long and narrow (Raceboard) vs short and wide (Formula) for "feels good" down wind the long and narrow feels soooooooooooo much better. My heart rate would be probably 30% less on a RB powered up down wind vs being on a Formula in the same conditions.
No idea, but I doubt I would take either in anything more than 15 knots. A modern raceboard is a boat: 68 cm wide by 377 long by 280 liters ... 
