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Created by AUS1111 > 9 months ago, 13 Jan 2018
Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
18 Jan 2018 10:03AM
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if the current event organisers are not going to continue, then maybe WWA could tender for the job? There are lots of project managers in windsurfing who could do it well and may be happy to do so if they were going to be paid for it.

ThePhil
WA, 1322 posts
18 Jan 2018 9:09PM
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Was there a sup race this year? Also it seems like the only problem is the 2:30 cut off, having anybody else organise it will not solve that.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
18 Jan 2018 10:05PM
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ThePhil said..
Was there a sup race this year? Also it seems like the only problem is the 2:30 cut off, having anybody else organise it will not solve that.


SUPs were dropped and replaced with an early morning beach run.

WindsurfingWA
WA, 811 posts
19 Jan 2018 7:55AM
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Windxtasy said..
if the current event organisers are not going to continue, then maybe WWA could tender for the job? There are lots of project managers in windsurfing who could do it well and may be happy to do so if they were going to be paid for it.


LOC is out of the league of WWA as a volunteer base organisation, we struggle with the events we run now. As for employees, at the moment this is a step too far but we are working hard in the background to get more connected to the event team and drive future events in the right direction.

Anyone available to help out Stu this weekend for the Simmer Slalom Round at Safety Bay?
Great training for your next down wind adventure.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
21 Jan 2018 11:53AM
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Some terrific shots there.. That catapult sequence is a classic ( glad it wasn't me.. )..

NotWal
QLD, 7430 posts
21 Jan 2018 3:50PM
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ThePhil said..
Was there a sup race this year? Also it seems like the only problem is the 2:30 cut off, having anybody else organise it will not solve that.


Maybe a new insurer would solve it.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
21 Jan 2018 2:53PM
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Good point. A new insurer might be needed if there's no change of latest time.

A 2-30 pm cutoff time is laughable.

Pretty much guarantees the event will be run in light winds short of there being a really strong seabreeze that comes in early.

Moving it to mid December makes a lot more sense too.

Bails
WA, 158 posts
22 Jan 2018 12:28PM
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I didnt even bother driving to Ledge from my place in Lano when it was still a strong hot easterly at midday. Decided to stay in the shade, crack a few beers, and wait for a possible wave session later. Good call as it turned out to be pretty good at South Passage after about 4pm.

Bails
WA, 158 posts
22 Jan 2018 12:33PM
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Incidentally while I totally agree with the other comments here about the marathon start time, in contrast the wave event was run in A grade conditions.

I will throw another suggestion into the ring which is for some spectator boats to be organised for the wave event. My non-windsurfing sister drove up to watch the event and was disappointed to find it takes place 500m offshore. It's a shame this excellent event doesn't get the viewing it deserves. Get a few cray boats running trips from the jetty @ $10 a ticket, should be win/win.

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
22 Jan 2018 5:52PM
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Bails said..
Incidentally while I totally agree with the other comments here about the marathon start time, in contrast the wave event was run in A grade conditions.

I will throw another suggestion into the ring which is for some spectator boats to be organised for the wave event. My non-windsurfing sister drove up to watch the event and was disappointed to find it takes place 500m offshore. It's a shame this excellent event doesn't get the viewing it deserves. Get a few cray boats running trips from the jetty @ $10 a ticket, should be win/win.


Agree, even a video feed from a boat would be better than what they do for the wave event. Very disappointed with it last year.

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
22 Jan 2018 9:14PM
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^^ Yeah! A big video screen at the pub, with commentary!

Maddlad
WA, 919 posts
23 Jan 2018 6:33AM
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Someone could just go "live" on Facebook and film it from their phone. Everyone could just log on to fakebook and watch it from the WWA page or whatever page was doing the live filming.

cammd
QLD, 4272 posts
23 Jan 2018 10:32AM
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WindsurfingWA said..

Windxtasy said..
if the current event organisers are not going to continue, then maybe WWA could tender for the job? There are lots of project managers in windsurfing who could do it well and may be happy to do so if they were going to be paid for it.



LOC is out of the league of WWA as a volunteer base organisation, we struggle with the events we run now. As for employees, at the moment this is a step too far but we are working hard in the background to get more connected to the event team and drive future events in the right direction.


Partnering with a Yacht Club has been a great option for Windsurfing in Qld
Both Lake Cootharaba Sailing Club and Royal Qld Yacht Squadron (RQ) are affliated with Windsurfing Qld now.

We just finished the Formula and Raceboard Nationals last week at RQ, prior to that RQ hosted the 2016 Raceboard Worlds, and two other Nationals in last few years

I have been involved in assisting all of the above events and doing it a yacht club makes it very easy because Regatta's are their core business, they already have the know how, resources and infrastructure and it has been very viable financially and a lot less onerous on the (volunteer) organisers.

It may not be suitable in this instance but in QLD it has been very easy and very successful.

Davox
QLD, 53 posts
28 Jan 2018 4:17PM
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Mark _australia said..
I am finding all this very interesting.

As an observer who became involved (but have not raced) about the time it changed to a private company running it, I agree with all the complaints. I have also said much of the above to the committee over the last few years, and its a shame that when MANY of us said the above in the online feedback to the organisers in the last two years they clearly have not taken it on board.

Maybe we need to petition Project3 to actually listen? They are a private company getting paid for this event...

History:
It was run by Lancelin Chamber of Commerce - all non windsurfers - with influence from local windsurfers who assisted the commitee.
BTW - Shout out to Werner who was on the committee and was the voice of reason at many meetings I went to. (eg: trying to finish at the "windsurfers park" a few years ago when Gem Events ran it, and they had no idea that we can't cross a 25cm deep weed bank at 30kn. He put a stop to that rubbish even though a finish there would have benefited his business)
There needs to be a windsurfer and kiter's voice of reason on that committee and whilst not a WWA event I implore them to please try and go to all meetings. If I was in Lano I would, but my presence on the committee was not as a windsurfer it was in a professional role and I have a conflict of interest in some senses. I can't... and I am 400km away now.
Anyway it worked well with non windsurfers at Lancelin CCI and Werner helping, now all these complaints are popping up are since a private company and Eventscorp (Govt funding) got into it.

Now:
Gem Events (2yrs) and now Project3 (4yrs?) have run it as it was the only way to ensure major sponsorship and the Lancelin CCI are worn out / limited in numbers etc.
We are very very very lucky to still have it..... the event would have folded about 4-6yrs ago without going to a private events mgt company. But now they have had our $$$$ for 4-6yrs we need to push them to make it like it was. They sent a survey out last year, and many of us made comments like the above ones in this thread, and they have ignored it.

Suggestions:
(1) as above an early start can be as dangerous as a late one. Wind picking up and people get smashed. Start it later, or if Project3 are too scared of liability at least get a wind reading from offshore turn markers - there are commercial vessels out there with $2K weather stations on board it will be a good reading - and have 3 people reach consensus as to when to start. Not just one bloke under pressure from an insurance company (and 200 competitors ) deciding to start in 15kn when we all know it will be 25kn soon, as that's what the boats are showing.


(2) The issue with first turn marker was the police boat being there. It is needed and we are very lucky to have it every year. BUT this year it was close to turn one and then moved, and same time as the course had been changed to suit an offshore wind (a dumb decision in itself) so of course ppl wondered where the first turn was. If that happened in any other professional event there would be people suing as they missed their prize money. Ridiculous and inexcusable.

The one year they used the Police boat as first turn marker (about 4yrs ago?) it was brilliant. It is huge, and it also has a safety advantage as if the Police boat is the first marker, when the last competitor goes around they can pull anchor and follow slowly acting as the sweeper. If a cray boat also followed it, the water rats would not need to rescue, just keep following the fleet . That way it is safer, you could start at 4pm if needed and no confusion about where 1st turn is. Fixes all the safety concerns.

(3) WTF is with wave event on Friday with a reserve day of Thursday? In effect people need to book an extra day of an already-expensive accommodation cost just to be sure.
The new organisers act like the waves event plays second fiddle to the race. No, the waves is a really good marketing tool. It has the flash pics and video. The waves should always run Thursday with reserve days of Friday AND Sunday as it needs more wind than a race so it needs reserve days.
If it runs Thursday, that's the chance to get it on the news and garner some interest for the weekend. But, no, for the waves we don't get any results at all, or pics or anything, until 2 or 3 days later.

(4) the event is big enough. It is famous. It does not need the last few years' additions of downwind SUP, jetski, beach runs, yoga or anything.
The only addition I reckon was good was a freestyle comp about 4yrs ago, just before sunset, in front of the Thursday night welcome party. Lots of non windsurfers saw that and thought it was bloody brilliant. As a non watersports person you would be on shaded grass, with 3 food van options, listening to a band, and see amazing talent 30m away busting out moves.
Now you have heat, no food, hot sand and nothing, to maybe see somebody come in on a board then a party 6hrs later. What 'normal' Perth or Lano dweller would be interested in that "spectacle"?

Back to grass roots. Waves & Race. Race starts when seabreeze has stabilised a bit, not 10min after we get a puff of southerly.
Waves has plenty of time to suit conditions.
Farken huuuge party. (Thanks for John Keating at Endeavour Tav for getting that right again, I'm still feeling it )


DONE.






Totally agree, and maybe an Amateur section in the waves event as well, it was a stacked field due to the elite guys (Philip Koster, Jaeger Stone, etc...)

Here is some footage of the LOC 2018 waves for the Master's, Women's and Open Men's heats.
We filmed from the pub and had a 2yr old running around as we filmed...tough job. Thanks to my wife Julia for supporting and filming, as always an excellent job. Hope you enjoy our simple video.

Davo.

Scrondies
WA, 73 posts
28 Jan 2018 7:28PM
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Brilliant video, I'd love to go to the event if that's on the beach! Any promotion outside of the windsurfing community? Yes, us on Seabreeze have heard about it, and probably those who live in Lancelin, but the larger community? I will try to get there for next year, but unless they pick up their game it won't last. Let's hope that the organisers listen to the competitors!



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