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How important are tail cutouts .?

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Created by Tardy > 9 months ago, 9 Jul 2020
mr love
VIC, 2401 posts
10 Jul 2020 11:41AM
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So I just did some quick calculations....On my Weapon 73 Slalom board I measured the reduction in surface area of my cutouts assuming a stagnation point 700mm from the tail at high speed . thats just behind the front foot so probably close to reality. The cutouts actually remove 8% of the wetted area compared to not having them. If we agree with the graph above and say that at high speed the induced drag and friction drag are equal then the cutouts reduce overall drag by 4%. I will take that.
Of coarse you also have fin drag so the percentage gain of the cutouts reduces in percentage of total drag when you factor in that. netherthe less I will take any drag reduction I can get...why wouldn,t you if high performance is your goal?

Tardy
5257 posts
10 Jul 2020 9:48AM
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DarrylG said..
Tail cutouts are also a great way to stabilize trim over a bigger speed range. Think of it like a trainer wheels. You end up with two lifting / balancing points, one in front of the cutout and one behind.


good point Darryl ,The trailer wheel explanation worked on my brain ,the Exocet ,gets to a speed quick ,and stays there ,and trim feels minimal ,and feels some what boring ,but still a great board ,where the Patrik ,or maybe any board with cutouts ,a livelier ride and able to trim and adjust nose heights or tail ,with approaching swell .so planing adjustment is better .got it .

Tardy
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10 Jul 2020 9:52AM
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mr love said..
So I just did some quick calculations....On my Weapon 73 Slalom board I measured the reduction in surface area of my cutouts assuming a stagnation point 700mm from the tail at high speed . thats just behind the front foot so probably close to reality. The cutouts actually remove 8% of the wetted area compared to not having them. If we agree with the graph above and say that at high speed the induced drag and friction drag are equal then the cutouts reduce overall drag by 4%. I will take that.
Of coarse you also have fin drag so the percentage gain of the cutouts reduces in percentage of total drag when you factor in that. nether the less I will take any drag reduction I can get...why wouldn't you if high performance is your goal?




I'm also thinking this is why slalom boards have gone shorter .less drag .I agree mr love .I've always thought ..cutouts equal .less drag .
but it also has more benefits ,it seems

Mark _australia
WA, 23433 posts
10 Jul 2020 2:40PM
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LeeD said.. guarantee a good sailor on 2002 Exocet Speed Slider can pass 90% of good windsurfers in the water.


so why are no professionals using one?

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
10 Jul 2020 6:54PM
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Mark _australia said..

LeeD said.. guarantee a good sailor on 2002 Exocet Speed Slider can pass 90% of good windsurfers in the water.

so why are no professionals using one?


LOL! Your crap just got slam dunked LeeD!

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
10 Jul 2020 6:37PM
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Mark _australia said..

LeeD said.. guarantee a good sailor on 2002 Exocet Speed Slider can pass 90% of good windsurfers in the water.



so why are no professionals using one?


SeanAus120's post answers that. LeeD was possibly referring to straight line speed in ideally-powered conditions for the speed slider?

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
11 Jul 2020 12:12AM
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FWIW, here is my experience with smallish isonic Slalom Boards. I had kept my favourite (2009?) Isonic 87 for the longest time, despite trying later models a few years younger on numerous times. It did everything I wanted it to do very well. That board has no cutouts, but it does have a slightly sliced off piece each side of the tail which turn it into more of a diamond tail than a rounded pin tail.

I even bought a hardly used identical model last year when I found one for sale as the old one was strting to look a bit tatty.

I had watched Dr Cam set his smoking PB 1hr at Albany on a '15 or '16 Isonic 80 with the very defined cutaways a couple of years ago and I really liked the look of how it sat on the water and how fast he made it go, so had been on the lookout for one for a while.

Then I saw a similar shaped 2017 Isonc 80 for sale, which is not a common thing to find, so I bought it hoping it would be better given the 8 years of extra development. This board is shorter and wider and has quite significant cut outs in the tail. It turns out to be perfectly balanced for me with my 5.7m Cambered speed sail in 20 to high 20's winds. I was amazed at just how much faster this board is than my old one for me. It seems to 'fly' a lot higher on the water reaching and downwind, and yet I can drive it upwind at 20-22 knots faster than my old board as well. On the old board I rerely got over around 37-38 knots on the speed course, although once by accident (caught in the speed run when a 30kts+ squall hit me) I peaked at 42 knots!! That was the exception. On the new board I was immediately topping 37's in much less wind (flat water on Lake George) and comfortably topped 40 knots a number of times in much less wind (25-27 knots maybe) than on the old board.

The board is a lot different shape, but the cutouts combined with the different shorter rocker line, do seem to allow it to fly higher and free'er and faster on all points of sail. Needless to say I am rapt in it.

decrepit
WA, 12761 posts
11 Jul 2020 9:03AM
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Yes, I'm convinced a big benefit, is the flying higher aspect, not having as much lift behind the rider gives.



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