Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..forceten said..
Those of you who insist on the OP having , INSIST ,on more than one board, any number of valid reasons exist that he she is restricted .
since when does leaving one sail behind make room for another board?
If he is re-structuring his quiver it is something to think about. We are all giving our advice based on experience. He is 20 something yr old lightweight advanced intermediate. IMHO A 95ltr FSW is going to hold him back as an only board.
He is looking to replace the existing board with ONE other board.
I reckon that restructure, that's IF you said ( organize differently) could mean increase the numeric value. He has repeatedly voiced that he wants one board. My first language is English.
Of course 1 board of any size is not going to be an ideal scenario.
Iam sure he has never heard of a roof rack, a trailer, a larger car. Maybe as a 20 yo he is in University and can hardly afford what he has, maybe he has twins, a low paying job, can sail twice a month and can't justify any further monetary outlay. As Dandy Don said , if , IFS and BUTs were soup and nuts
AKA , keep your eye on the ball.
Your suggestion as mine, the 7.0 needs to go.
If I could have it my way, I'd get 3 boards, a van and a little hut in my non-existing garden to store all my **** haha :D
@forceten you're pretty spot on. Let's say I dismiss my 7.0 with this board decision. would you still reckon the 95L is a good size? As I've never been into the waves or tried a lot of different boards ever, I can't really imagine how big the compromise actually is.
A real wavehead says "yea a FSW is way too stiff and kinda sucks", yet I've seen threads where people claim to venture into waves with their 120L freeriders lol
BTW it is a Gaastra Pilot. 5 battens, pretty much 100% monofilm. Handles like a sail one size it's junior...but still I understand what ya'll are saying.
you are going from a freestyle to A FSW ( I hope) everyone has one. They will differ in a lot of ways but primary is which of the 3Styles, is primary. Their purpose is not singular but multi, so they do ,generally , not one great, a compromise.
liters are liters.
The 6.2 for your weight is a good large size. It won't have to be a real wave sail as it is better suited toward flattish water additional general , a wave sail over 6.0 isn't really a wave sail, oh my Elite 6.1 was labeled one, as my 6.4 Ezzy wave, is mostly one, not likely I would really use either in waves. The large size per the board, has many factors, your weight allows a larger sail, irregardless of board size, 7.0 to me ( a pie eater at 64kg) is in 110-115liter size.
I don't want to slog on a 7.0, unless the board is big.
From responses so far, the size board suggestions vary, my years of experience include objective analysis of jelly donuts, battenburg cake,single malt and Visa.
5 liters , not many could tell the difference on the water.
95 liters would be my largest smaller,
85liters would be my smallest smaller.
average would be 90.
Which sail would get used , projected or actual , the most?
we have some boards that sail , actual on the water smaller/larger than quoted, one has to think these are at or near the quoted volume, but for some reason feel, smaller/larger. May be where the volume is located.
Several Tabou models , come to mind, as taking larger sails and feeling larger than quoted on the water.
You may be better served with-a more Euro opinion on which board.
i would point you to a Flikka or Witchcraft or MOO Custom, from near Liverpool.
If the Tabou Pocket Wave were on the menu, it would be my daily special.
the BOMB , looks it's successor, worthy, unknown.
I have used a 7.5 on a Kode FSW 103 (2017) . It pins the board down a bit much but doable in marginal conditions. So a light 7.0 might be ok on flat water on a 95l board. For riding waves it think the 95 is a better bet at your weight the 103 is a fun board to jump but probably to much volume in the rails for wave riding .
Select to expand quoteAl Planet said..
I have used a 7.5 on a Kode FSW 103 (2017) . It pins the board down a bit much but doable in marginal conditions. So a light 7.0 might be ok on flat water on a 95l board. For riding waves it think the 95 is a better bet at your weight the 103 is a fun board to jump but probably to much volume in the rails for wave riding .
This is so much a YMMV
what works for you may not suit others.
Did we get your weight prior ? Don't you think that is important
Select to expand quoteforceten said..Al Planet said..
I have used a 7.5 on a Kode FSW 103 (2017) . It pins the board down a bit much but doable in marginal conditions. So a light 7.0 might be ok on flat water on a 95l board. For riding waves it think the 95 is a better bet at your weight the 103 is a fun board to jump but probably to much volume in the rails for wave riding .
This is so much a YMMV
what works for you may not suit others.
Did we get your weight prior ? Don't you think that is important
JSYK.....72kg
Or 15 Passaree if that's the current US weight standard. ;-D
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Select to expand quoteAl Planet said..forceten said..Al Planet said..
I have used a 7.5 on a Kode FSW 103 (2017) . It pins the board down a bit much but doable in marginal conditions. So a light 7.0 might be ok on flat water on a 95l board. For riding waves it think the 95 is a better bet at your weight the 103 is a fun board to jump but probably to much volume in the rails for wave riding .
This is so much a YMMV
what works for you may not suit others.
Did we get your weight prior ? Don't you think that is important
JSYK.....72kg
Or 15 Passaree if that's the current US weight standard. ;-D
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Still think a 95ltr FSW is a big board for his weight & aspirations. If 14kts is his minimum wind then 85 liter with max 5.7 is plenty IMO...
Select to expand quoteAl Planet said..forceten said..Al Planet said..
I have used a 7.5 on a Kode FSW 103 (2017) . It pins the board down a bit much but doable in marginal conditions. So a light 7.0 might be ok on flat water on a 95l board. For riding waves it think the 95 is a better bet at your weight the 103 is a fun board to jump but probably to much volume in the rails for wave riding .
This is so much a YMMV
what works for you may not suit others.
Did we get your weight prior ? Don't you think that is important
JSYK.....72kg
Or 15 Passaree if that's the current US weight standard. ;-D
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Oh goody.
brilliant.
the US uses pounds, unlike the majority of the world.
72 kg X 2.2 =158.4pounds
OP weight is 60kg X 2.2 = 132 pounds
difference in sailors weight 12kg or 26pounds
your riding ability and opinion on sail size , may be different to mine, your weight is similar. You have used a 7.5, you provide no insight on how it was, easy hard a burden? So a light 7.0 MIGHT be ok on a 95?
thanks for the enlightenment. Hope it wasn't to harsh on you.
silly smiley face omitted.
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..Al Planet said..forceten said..Al Planet said..
I have used a 7.5 on a Kode FSW 103 (2017) . It pins the board down a bit much but doable in marginal conditions. So a light 7.0 might be ok on flat water on a 95l board. For riding waves it think the 95 is a better bet at your weight the 103 is a fun board to jump but probably to much volume in the rails for wave riding .
This is so much a YMMV
what works for you may not suit others.
Did we get your weight prior ? Don't you think that is important
JSYK.....72kg
Or 15 Passaree if that's the current US weight standard. ;-D
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Still think a 95ltr FSW is a big board for his weight & aspirations. If 14kts is his minimum wind then 85 liter with max 5.7 is plenty IMO...
G.S. I wrote an 85 would be the smallest 95 largest, average of those 90. 85- a 12 % increase is 95.fairly moderate increase, or 95 minus 12 % a. 84 liter, moderate , point, unknown but it's fun to play with my solar calculator.
his sails consist of a 4.7 5.3 6.2 and 7.0, We do agree the 7.0 , irrespective of ALs opinion, is has to go. A 5.7 m sail would fit the gap perfect, 5.3 and 6.2.
the difference between a 85 and 90, if it was the same outline would be so minimal, few could tell the difference.
I think we are on the same book, different chapter.
Select to expand quoteSilberpfeil said..
Hello Seabreezers!
About me: I'm a young guy in my 20's and weigh a little over 60kg from europe.
I come from a pure flat water background. never sailed in breaking waves before.
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Hi, I am 70-72 Kg and I can use a 6.5 on my RRD FSW 90L. For my weight it's range is 4.8 (maybe 4.5) to 6.5. At you weight a 90L board should be fine with a 7.0, but might be big on a 4.5.
So ... I would suggest you buy a custom board from Flikka! Costruction is stellar, and they cost less than most of the boards mentioned here. Talk with them and you can have a Freewave built as you want. Go 90-95 if the 7.0 is important, go 85-90 if it is less so. flikkaboards.com/boards/freewave/
Flikka one of my suggestions as well, even better in the USA , cause I don't pay the Value AddedTax, Vat.
6.5m on a 90 would be no fun , oh powered up be ok, slog ,no, rather chew on broken glass. Can't think of any instance I would want that in the waves, but whatever floats your boat.
FYI , custom board makers , not IMO, but my experience will have varied ideas of liters ,as 99 may actually be 94.
so their mileage may vary,68 wide may be 65. mention not of fin configuration , oh yea maybe Goya one, so thruster.
Select to expand quoteSilberpfeil said..
The 3s classic is probably one of the best bets. There must be a reason why they brought that board back and can sustain such a big following!
There are new ones for around 1.3k available from 2016...which should be the same shape as the "classic", so really good bargain. slightly used ones are even cheaper
1,3k? is not a good deal for a 2016 new board.
example:
www.online-surfshop.de/exocet-windsurf-board-cross-carbon
yeeah i noticed, too... found a new 2019 Dyno 95 for the same price.I'll search through the web a bit more
Select to expand quoteSea Lotus said..
1,3k? is not a good deal for a 2016 new board.
example:
www.online-surfshop.de/exocet-windsurf-board-cross-carbon
?989 for a new 2019 carbon board. Looks too good to be true. they are ?1,470 in the French shops. I bought a lightly used one for ?1099 2 years ago.
? is Euro, guess this forum doesn't like the Euro symbol.
$???my keyboard supports these whatever they are.
prices from what I have observed in the UK are more expensive new, seems supply and demand makes used prices lower, just from what I notice. AU In tune with US, least the same verse of the same song.
condition the primary
typed the money symbols for 4 different currencies, this forum doesn't support them, tests the problem
UK prices were ok when it was 1.40 Euro to the pound before Brexit referendum in 2016. Its been between 1.10 and 1.20 since. I get the impression that secondhand prices are low because people are hanging onto their money and not buying, making do with what they have got. I think a lot of people will after the current crisis.
I agree you can do freestyle moves on a fsw, however it's quite harder if you are a ? mortal ?, but if you are very skilled than don't boder. However a freestyle board with a freeride fin will handle you 7.0 ans will be quite fast!!!
Select to expand quoteNordRoi said..
I agree you can do freestyle moves on a fsw, however it's quite harder if you are a ? mortal ?, but if you are very skilled than don't boder. However a freestyle board with a freeride fin will handle you 7.0 ans will be quite fast!!!
hmm I have to disagree on that. The freestyle board's footstraps are so far inboard that you overstretch your span well before you get close to the speed limit of your fin and sail. I'm way slower on those days than people on freeride gear...which i dont mind at all (as i've mentioned before)
My argument is only that the outboard stance on a freewave propably compensates for the slower rockerline when directly compared to my current board
So I have tested a couple boards over the late summer and I have to say it was a humbling experience.
Most of you guys were right all along.
I've tried the jp, fanatic and the goya freewaves in 95 and 105 liters with different sails and I gotta say anything less than 18kts of wind is not much fun on the 95s.
105l was still nice in 15kts with my 7.0 and MUCH more comfortable stance than my freestyle board
The guys at the rental also warned me that a 95 would be a good starting point for waves but would soon create a desire for a smaller board in better conditions.
In conclusion: I'm finally convinced that a 1-board setup probably leads to less time on the water with less fun at that because of the compromise, so it has to be 2 boards.Something like a JP allride 106 and a 85l onshore wave board or fsw
Worth looking at the Simmer Quantum, very onshore biased wave board which just seems to work very nicely in most conditions.
At 90kg my 85L is my small board and I use it comfortably down to 3.7m up to 5.3m
I'm looking at the 105L for my 2 board quiver.
Select to expand quoteSilberpfeil said..
I really appreciate all the input from u guys :)
@gorgesailor: I definitely see your point with the 7.0...even with my current board it's quite uncomfortable to sail. Although it should be noted that the Freestyle board has an EXTREMELY flat deck. no dome whatsoever. that combined with the lack of outboard footstrap options is actually what makes me want to move onto a different board regardless of my wave aspirations
I don't think I will get into power moves too much. All the moves that I might reach at some point don't require a dedicated board. I see plenty of people doing shakas and spocks on freewave shapes
Regarding the amount of boards in my quiver: I'm sure that I'll go with the 1-board solution. I recognize the compromises (hence the struggle to choose a good fit) but
- I don't have the money to afford 2 boards atm. and used wave kit is usually kinda beat up
- I'm scared that when I carry my board on the roof for 1000+km that stones will cause unnessesary damage. I actually have a background in racecar aerodynamics and composite manufacturing and stones will penetrate 2 layers of carbon backed with 2 layers of kevlar. boards are built significantly weaker
-I just want to enjoy the trips with friends or family and personally I find that less kit and luggage usually improves the experience
Anyways I get the vibe that my 95L freewave guess was not far off from what I'm looking for. As NordRoi said I just need to be real honest with myself about the conditions that the board will see and then pick the correct shape
I know you're set on one board but re carrying the board on the roofracks.. put it in a bag then you don't have to worry about stones..
