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Coffee to enhance performance?

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Created by Sandman1221 > 9 months ago, 5 Jun 2022
Mr Keen
QLD, 677 posts
6 Jun 2022 6:54PM
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Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems


It appears that way....
Pretty sure there would be a health forum somewhere that would be more useful for some

Imax1
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6 Jun 2022 7:06PM
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Mr Keen said..

Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems



It appears that way....
Pretty sure there would be a health forum somewhere that would be more useful for some


The itchy crotch forum went a couple pages .

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
6 Jun 2022 7:22PM
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My grand pa use to wear Depends For Men, said they were the best on the market, if that helps anyone in here.

I know its not the topic at hand,
but sure it will be a question on here soon.

your welcome.

Mr Keen
QLD, 677 posts
6 Jun 2022 7:25PM
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Imax1 said..

Mr Keen said..


Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems




It appears that way....
Pretty sure there would be a health forum somewhere that would be more useful for some



The itchy crotch forum went a couple pages .


I much prefer when the forum inspired me to go smell my fins

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
6 Jun 2022 7:42PM
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Mr Keen said..

Imax1 said..


Mr Keen said..



Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems





It appears that way....
Pretty sure there would be a health forum somewhere that would be more useful for some




The itchy crotch forum went a couple pages .



I much prefer when the forum inspired me to go smell my fins


Those were the days

Loreni
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6 Jun 2022 5:42PM
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less wheat flour product will improve performance.

it acts like a glue in stomach..

Henners
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6 Jun 2022 8:44PM
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I watched an interesting problem about nighttime urination last summer.
I am youngish but during the summer months I drink lots of water and have to get up in the nighttime for a tinkle. The result is that I feel that I don't get a good night's sleep.
What I got from the show was that throughout the day your body stores water in your legs. At night time you go to sleep and that water from your legs then makes its way back into the system and eventually goes back to the bladder.
The show recommended wearing compression socks if it is really a big problem. The other idea was to lie down and raise your legs for about 30 minutes before going to bed.
Here's the part of the show recommending the legs part
www.facebook.com/nhkworld/videos/469388950771187/
I could not find the whole show. But good luck with it all.

Mark _australia
WA, 23447 posts
6 Jun 2022 9:15PM
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Robertos said..
I had to get out of bed to use the toilet also, this disappeared within 1 month.

Cannot recommend it enough.
Expect double costs as your significant other will complain about how you look and wants the same.


I'd rather a dry night's sleep

Mark _australia
WA, 23447 posts
6 Jun 2022 9:19PM
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Imax1 said.. The itchy crotch forum went a couple pages .


Until we were told a smear of Six10 clears it right up.

Who knew!

R1DER
WA, 1471 posts
6 Jun 2022 9:21PM
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lotofwind said..
My grand pa use to wear Depends For Men, said they were the best on the market, if that helps anyone in here.

I know its not the topic at hand,
but sure it will be a question on here soon.

your welcome.


R1DER
WA, 1471 posts
6 Jun 2022 10:14PM
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Sandman it may even be a tumour from bowel cancer pushing on your bladder, I really think you need to go see a Doc ASAP. Early detection and treatment could save your life.
How old are you? Do you eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables?

Sandman1221
2776 posts
6 Jun 2022 10:23PM
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So the original post was about coffee and the fact that it enhances my performance, but the recent constant pissing problem was making me stop using it.

Then I woke up this morning and thought, wait a minute is it the Whole Foods organic decaf coffee beans that are the problem?, since I mix regular to decaf in a 1/3 ratio, and have the same pissing problem with straight decaf. Normally, I will have a cup of that 1/3 regular/decaf mix, and if I need more will have a second cup of the 1/3 mix or a shot of 100% regular expresso. So just started an experiment, had an expresso shot of regular dark roast coffee beans from Trader Joes. Will see if that causes me to piss all day/night.

I know I got some organic Indian dal and channa on sale from Whole Foods that I would have with dinner (relatively low in salt, so excess salt was not a problem), one brand made me piss all night, like 5-6 times! Took back the unused packages and complained Then maybe a year later tried the same brand again cause it was on sale again, and I was fine no pissing all night, so there was something in a batch of that brands dal and channa that was causing the problem, maybe a spice? And they got rid of it, maybe because of all the complaints? But makes me wonder if it was a chemical pollutant from the water used to make the dal/channa or the water used to grow the ingredients.

Sparky
WA, 1122 posts
6 Jun 2022 10:41PM
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We are into prostate problems now??
Is someone taking the pisss?

Sandman1221
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6 Jun 2022 10:47PM
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Sparky said..
We are into prostate problems now??
Is someone taking the pisss?




No, we are into potential chemical pollutants found in coffee and foods that cause frequent pissing!, and have stopped me from enjoying the benefits of coffee to increase my endurance when windfoiling!

The good news is I am comfortably buzzed on the Trader Joes regular expresso with no need to urinate!, and Whole Foods will refund me for the decaf coffee.

segler
WA, 1656 posts
6 Jun 2022 11:14PM
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So to get this discussion back into our sport, my problem with having to pee too often is--tada--wetsuits.

My drysuit for winter use is has a pee zipper, but it does not help much when you have 4 warming layers on underneath.

Somebody once said there are three kinds of windsurfers: (1) those who pee in their wetsuits but don't tell anybody about it, (2) those who pee in their wetsuits and brag about it, and (3) those who pee in their wetsuits and don't notice.

Sandman1221
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7 Jun 2022 1:02AM
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segler said..
So to get this discussion back into our sport, my problem with having to pee too often is--tada--wetsuits.

My drysuit for winter use is has a pee zipper, but it does not help much when you have 4 warming layers on underneath.

Somebody once said there are three kinds of windsurfers: (1) those who pee in their wetsuits but don't tell anybody about it, (2) those who pee in their wetsuits and brag about it, and (3) those who pee in their wetsuits and don't notice.





Seriously, try Depends maybe?, or limit water intake before going out, or modify your existing under layers to have a fly (scissors and some sewing, could get a tailor to do it) or get under layers with fly openings so you can pee outside of the drysuit. Urine is bad for the seam sealing on regular wetsuits, so probably not good for a drysuit.

Sandman1221
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7 Jun 2022 1:06AM
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And the GOOD news is it has been almost four and a half hours since I had the double shot of regular expresso and I have not had the need to piss, until I drank a large glass of water with my lunch. So the Whole Foods Buzz-free decaf whole bean coffee had something in it that irritated my kidneys I am guessing. And of course I feel good!, love my coffee, still have to be careful not to have too much though, just the right amount gives me endurance windfoiling, too much and I rush to get on the water and do not setup my kit properly and my response to gusts and my gybes are not so good.

Thinking maybe the organic coffee beans were grown with water high in lead, or exposed to lead contaminated water during the decaffeination process, cadmium is another potential contaminant, both can damage the kidneys. Turns out coffee beans are very good at absorbing heavy metals, the Swiss Water process used to decaffeinated organic coffee beans uses a lot of water to wash the caffeine out of the coffee beans, if that water had even low levels of heavy metals they would accumulate to high levels in the washed coffee beans.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
7 Jun 2022 11:27AM
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Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems


Lots of ageing windsurfers here now Dezza. Not like us at all.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
7 Jun 2022 12:09PM
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sailquik said..


Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems




Lots of ageing windsurfers here now Dezza. Not like us at all.



This topic has made me glad I'm a woman..

Ben1973
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7 Jun 2022 10:22AM
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Sandman1221 said..
Sorry, looks like you are just giving your opinion, which is fine, but wrong in this case. See bottom where they talk about the benefits of caffeine in swimming!

Here is another good discussion about caffeine and endurance with references that include links to peer reviewed publications.
www.healthline.com/nutrition/caffeine-and-exercise#endurance-performance

www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/caffeine-and-the-endurance-athlete/

Caffeine And The Endurance Athlete BY PACIFIC HEALTH LABORATORIES

Caffeine is a naturally occurring chemical compound that functions in the body mainly as a mild nervous system stimulant. It has been shown to enhance performance in sprints, in all-out efforts lasting 4-5 minutes, and in longer performance tests.

Performance And Caffeine
It appears caffeine enhances performance in shorter events through four interrelated neuromuscular effects:
Lowering the threshold for muscle recruitment.
Altering excitation contraction coupling.
Facilitating nerve impulse transmission.
Increasing ion transport within muscles.

In longer events, caffeine delays fatigue by reducing the athlete's perception of effort. It increases the concentration of hormone-like substances in the brain called beta-endorphins during exercise. The endorphins affect mood state, reduce perception of pain, and create a sense of well-being. Caffeine has also been found to delay fatigue during exercise by blocking adenosine receptors on fat cells. As a result, caffeine increases the level of free fatty acids in the bloodstream and thereby increases fat burning during exercise. This latter effect of caffeine used to be considered the major mechanism by which it enhanced endurance performance, but it is now known to be a minor factor. In fact, for those who normally maintain a high-carbohydrate diet it is virtually a non-factor. A number of studies have shown significant performance increases in various endurance disciplines following caffeine ingestion. In one study, elite runners improved their time in a treadmill run to exhaustion by 1.9% with caffeine. Caffeine boosted time to exhaustion in a cycling test by 15 minutes in another study. And in a study involving swimmers, caffeine was found to enhance performance in maximal-effort swims of up to 25 minutes'


I'm not saying caffeine won't make you faster etc I'm saying the only way it does that is psychological, as it states in the first line of what you posted, 'changes perception of effort'. You cannot burn fat for energy when exercising at a decent level, a fast walk or maybe a gentle jog is about the limit and still the only time your body will turn to fat is if it has run out of carbs/sugars and it is very inefficient.On a side note trainingpeaks is a terrible source for this sort of info, we'll know for writing marketing material.

if caffeine worked believe me every pro athlete ( I was one) would be taking it but the fact is hardy and do. If you want to gain performance drink beet juice, way more effective and your pee will be a fun colour.

mr love
VIC, 2401 posts
7 Jun 2022 1:10PM
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Dezza said..
Is seabreeze now a place to discuss personal problems



Well the evidence is that if men discussed their medical issues rather than toughing it through we would catch problems early...but...yeah no, maybe not the place for a prostate discussion.
However...if you have concerns you could always ring my brother, Dr Love the dick Doctor ( Urologist)...True!!!

Sandman1221
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7 Jun 2022 12:21PM
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Hey, thanks to everyone who did reply in earnest, you all helped me figure out the problem

Though I did not hear from too many about how coffee affects their endurance, that was my question!

SurferKris
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7 Jun 2022 1:18PM
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Though I did not hear from too many about how coffee affects their endurance, that was my question!



No I don't think so, the only question I can find in the first post is this: "Anyone else have this issue with coffee?"

As for myself, no I don't have the pissing problem...

What is your age?

Mark _australia
WA, 23447 posts
7 Jun 2022 8:07PM
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Sandman1221 said.. Though I did not hear from too many about how coffee affects their endurance, that was my question!


Yet you only asked about the pissing. I call troll

R1DER
WA, 1471 posts
7 Jun 2022 10:23PM
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Seriously after re reading this thread. I'm thinking you may have a brain tumour that's affected your lack of insight, personality (in a narcissistic attention seeking sort of a way) and your thought process, it's not normal to disclose such personal information on a public forum and carry on in such depth about it. I keep telling you, go see a Dr there's something not right.

Sandman1221
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7 Jun 2022 10:29PM
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Ben1973 said..



Sandman1221 said..
Sorry, looks like you are just giving your opinion, which is fine, but wrong in this case. See bottom where they talk about the benefits of caffeine in swimming!

Here is another good discussion about caffeine and endurance with references that include links to peer reviewed publications.
www.healthline.com/nutrition/caffeine-and-exercise#endurance-performance

www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/caffeine-and-the-endurance-athlete/

Caffeine And The Endurance Athlete BY PACIFIC HEALTH LABORATORIES

Caffeine is a naturally occurring chemical compound that functions in the body mainly as a mild nervous system stimulant. It has been shown to enhance performance in sprints, in all-out efforts lasting 4-5 minutes, and in longer performance tests.

Performance And Caffeine
It appears caffeine enhances performance in shorter events through four interrelated neuromuscular effects:
Lowering the threshold for muscle recruitment.
Altering excitation contraction coupling.
Facilitating nerve impulse transmission.
Increasing ion transport within muscles.

In longer events, caffeine delays fatigue by reducing the athlete's perception of effort. It increases the concentration of hormone-like substances in the brain called beta-endorphins during exercise. The endorphins affect mood state, reduce perception of pain, and create a sense of well-being. Caffeine has also been found to delay fatigue during exercise by blocking adenosine receptors on fat cells. As a result, caffeine increases the level of free fatty acids in the bloodstream and thereby increases fat burning during exercise. This latter effect of caffeine used to be considered the major mechanism by which it enhanced endurance performance, but it is now known to be a minor factor. In fact, for those who normally maintain a high-carbohydrate diet it is virtually a non-factor. A number of studies have shown significant performance increases in various endurance disciplines following caffeine ingestion. In one study, elite runners improved their time in a treadmill run to exhaustion by 1.9% with caffeine. Caffeine boosted time to exhaustion in a cycling test by 15 minutes in another study. And in a study involving swimmers, caffeine was found to enhance performance in maximal-effort swims of up to 25 minutes'





I'm not saying caffeine won't make you faster etc I'm saying the only way it does that is psychological, as it states in the first line of what you posted, 'changes perception of effort'. You cannot burn fat for energy when exercising at a decent level, a fast walk or maybe a gentle jog is about the limit and still the only time your body will turn to fat is if it has run out of carbs/sugars and it is very inefficient.On a side note trainingpeaks is a terrible source for this sort of info, we'll know for writing marketing material.

if caffeine worked believe me every pro athlete ( I was one) would be taking it but the fact is hardy and do. If you want to gain performance drink beet juice, way more effective and your pee will be a fun colour.



From the Healthline link I posted:
Caffeine is a powerful substance that can improve both your physical and mental performance.A single dose can significantly improve exercise performance, focus, and fat burning (1Trusted Source, 2Trusted Source, 3Trusted Source).The U.S. Special Forces even use it to enhance performance and awareness.Caffeine is found in many foods and beverages, and nearly 90% of the U.S. population consumes it on a regular basis (4Trusted Source).This article explains caffeine's benefits for exercise performance.
If you go to healthline.com you will be able to click on the "trusted source" to get the published paper that supports those statements.

It is not perceived for me, it is real, I can windfoil much longer when on caffeine because I do not get tired as easily, and I can backpack with a 35 lb pack 14 miles straight, out of the Colorado Rockies, with nothing other than water and a small energy bar and only an occasional 5 min. break. That is the power of caffeine! Of course, as noted I break down caffeine slowly, and that may be why you are disagreeing with me, you must break it down rapidly.

So as a reminder, caffeine can really help endurance based on my experience, at least if you break it down slowly!

Sandman1221
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7 Jun 2022 10:30PM
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Sandman1221 said..
Though I did not hear from too many about how coffee affects their endurance, that was my question!





No I don't think so, the only question I can find in the first post is this: "Anyone else have this issue with coffee?"

As for myself, no I don't have the pissing problem...

What is your age?



Did you read the title of the post? And I did not mention anything about my prostate!

Sandman1221
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7 Jun 2022 11:09PM
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R1DER said..
Seriously after re reading this thread. I'm thinking you may have a brain tumour that's affected your lack of insight, personality (in a narcissistic attention seeking sort of a way) and your thought process, it's not normal to disclose such personal information on a public forum and carry on in such depth about it. I keep telling you, go see a Dr there's something not right.


First, I am not making you read my posts, if you do not like what I wrote, do not read it! The fact that you did and made your comment just tells me you have a problem, and really just need to apply your own words to yourself.

Oh, so if I break my arm and show pics., or if I get a deep gash in my leg from a foil and post pics., that is okay? But trying to figure out why one brand of decaf coffee prevents me from enjoying the performance enhancing affects of coffee is bad, maybe you should read your own post and apply to yourself!

And Unfortunately I will not be able to read your reply, if you do make one, good bye!

Sandman1221
2776 posts
7 Jun 2022 11:22PM
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So returned the Whole Foods brand decaf coffee, and they gave me a free sample of the Allegro decaf which I just made an expresso with, is good and I got a little buzz from it, but not too much. So now I have some decaf beans to dilute the regular beans with so I can enjoy the benefits of coffee without the negative side effects

Loreni
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8 Jun 2022 6:22PM
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Prostate is more connected to the stomach. So for instance if you don't handle stress you will feel it in stomach and if severe it might go further to prostate.



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