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Created by timm > 9 months ago, 3 Jul 2015
jsr
NSW, 44 posts
20 Jul 2015 6:57PM
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Don't think I would like to be on a TP52 in the middle of the ocean in 50knots!!! And I'm sure all owners and crews would agree!!!! Especially the latest generation of boats.

Chris 249
NSW, 3517 posts
20 Jul 2015 9:27PM
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John, we'll have to agree to disagree on whether boats are relevant; as someone who has sailed most types of boats and boards I still stand by my comment.

I didn't say Moths were "so good" or that they were very popular. However, they show that you can get very good performance (often faster than boards) using just one sail across a very wide wind range, which may show that modern windsurfing sails do not have particularly wide ranges as is so often claimed.

We'll have to disagree on whether windsurfing is simple once you have "mastered the art", since I think I've only seen about three or four people who did that, and that had sail numbers like US 1111 and E11 and their sailing was pretty damn complicated. In many ways I find windsurfing to be more complicated than my other sports of bike racing and boat sailing. That's not a bad thing in many ways but there has been a huge amount of research about why people do sports these days, and most of them find complication a turn-off, which may be reducing economies of scale for Cobra.

The GPSTC is doing well in many areas, which is great - but isn't it actually a successful example of the sport moving to a simpler model (compared to the 'old-style' equivalents of slalom racing or speed challenges down set courses) which one of the basic points I'm trying to make? GPS made speedsailing simpler, now speedsailing is bigger - so why not look for other things to simplify?

Whether windsurfing is bigger than it was 7 years ago is hard to check. I don't think it's the case in NSW; out of the series you mentioned, the only one I've done is now significantly smaller than it was 7 years ago but there are always many causes for such things. The last two times I was near my old windsurfing haunt (Palm Beach NSW) in perfect conditions, there was not a single windsurfer out - there was barely a single shortboard across all of Pittwater in howling breezes. Where I live now, the sport has apparently dropped sharply over the last few years.

I wasn't advocating a command economy, but surely it's reasonable to point out that the free market has NOT stopped windsurfing in Australia dropping to about 5% of its former popularity, and to discuss issues related to the cost of the sport and its economic basis in a thread like this. I love windsurfing in almost all its facets and have done for many years, but it's baffling why it, alone of all sports, seems reluctant to deeply consider why it may not be attracting many people. And the thoughts I'm raising are similar to those now held by guys like Sven Rasmussen, so it's not as if they are unthinkable.


JSR, neither would I, but the 50 knot figure came from Quantum Sails' TP52 information, and the previous generation certainly would have sailed in such conditions.

Al Planet
TAS, 1548 posts
21 Jul 2015 2:06PM
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windee said..
windsurfing has basically been regulated back to a past time activity
there appears to be no association
no real organization with a plan or outcome to grow numbers in participation
the gps teams challenge has been much more successful than racing in terms of participation

yet somehow the racing scene has managed to leech onto gps sailing offering a super impressive 20 sailors participating in their national event.....they will ruin it

ultimately thanks to the lack of vision, lack of support from retailers in terms of promotion , windsurfing is just a really expensive, time consuming pastime.......

as for the retailers crying poor....please, your customers are paying massive prices for goods that were manufactured for dirt cheap in third world countries
the retailers are free to stop supporting a distrubition system from cobra......or are they.........

I fricken own Pittwater!!!!!
the only hellman left on the island is joel carter
a really strong sailor
there was about 7 of us regularly sailing ol Pittwater about twn yrs ago....of that 7, im the only one still sailing

i would have thought the six that faded away would have been replaced by 100s more?


So it's Expensive (that's Bad and I don't mean Michael Jackson BAD).... but time consuming ....that's a good thing surely ......I don't understand why Sydney is at a low ebb with the sailboarding thing. It is a pretty exciting place Sydney maybe everyone is just to busy doing other stuff, seven people is a tiny number of sailors for a population of several million peeps. I normally see more than that at my local, and that's in a state that has %40 youth unemployment and %70 of the population aged over 65.

John340
QLD, 3364 posts
21 Jul 2015 2:51PM
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Al Planet said..

windee said..
windsurfing has basically been regulated back to a past time activity
there appears to be no association
no real organization with a plan or outcome to grow numbers in participation
the gps teams challenge has been much more successful than racing in terms of participation

yet somehow the racing scene has managed to leech onto gps sailing offering a super impressive 20 sailors participating in their national event.....they will ruin it

ultimately thanks to the lack of vision, lack of support from retailers in terms of promotion , windsurfing is just a really expensive, time consuming pastime.......

as for the retailers crying poor....please, your customers are paying massive prices for goods that were manufactured for dirt cheap in third world countries
the retailers are free to stop supporting a distrubition system from cobra......or are they.........

I fricken own Pittwater!!!!!
the only hellman left on the island is joel carter
a really strong sailor
there was about 7 of us regularly sailing ol Pittwater about twn yrs ago....of that 7, im the only one still sailing

i would have thought the six that faded away would have been replaced by 100s more?



So it's Expensive (that's Bad and I don't mean Michael Jackson BAD).... but time consuming ....that's a good thing surely ......I don't understand why Sydney is at a low ebb with the sailboarding thing. It is a pretty exciting place Sydney maybe everyone is just to busy doing other stuff, seven people is a tiny number of sailors for a population of several million peeps. I normally see more than that at my local, and that's in a state that has %40 youth unemployment and %70 of the population aged over 65.


Given the current demographic of windsurfers the 70% over the age of 65 would seem to be an advantage

Al Planet
TAS, 1548 posts
21 Jul 2015 3:08PM
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John340 said..

Al Planet said..


windee said..
windsurfing has basically been regulated back to a past time activity
there appears to be no association
no real organization with a plan or outcome to grow numbers in participation
the gps teams challenge has been much more successful than racing in terms of participation

yet somehow the racing scene has managed to leech onto gps sailing offering a super impressive 20 sailors participating in their national event.....they will ruin it

ultimately thanks to the lack of vision, lack of support from retailers in terms of promotion , windsurfing is just a really expensive, time consuming pastime.......

as for the retailers crying poor....please, your customers are paying massive prices for goods that were manufactured for dirt cheap in third world countries
the retailers are free to stop supporting a distrubition system from cobra......or are they.........

I fricken own Pittwater!!!!!
the only hellman left on the island is joel carter
a really strong sailor
there was about 7 of us regularly sailing ol Pittwater about twn yrs ago....of that 7, im the only one still sailing

i would have thought the six that faded away would have been replaced by 100s more?




So it's Expensive (that's Bad and I don't mean Michael Jackson BAD).... but time consuming ....that's a good thing surely ......I don't understand why Sydney is at a low ebb with the sailboarding thing. It is a pretty exciting place Sydney maybe everyone is just to busy doing other stuff, seven people is a tiny number of sailors for a population of several million peeps. I normally see more than that at my local, and that's in a state that has %40 youth unemployment and %70 of the population aged over 65.



Given the current demographic of windsurfers the 70% over the age of 65 would seem to be an advantage


Yes but because windsurfing gear is expensive there is a fair bit of work to produce enough kids so that they can collect enough child support money from Tony to pay for all the gear...If we see a %40 percent increase in prices well...nobody is looking forward to that...its going to start to cut into drinking time...



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