Has anyone tried the Hover 122 with a Non Naish foil ??. was wondering how it might go with the Slingshot Light wind foil, from what I have seen and observed it offers much better upwind performance than the Naish and is availble with a track mount
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Has anyone tried the Hover 122 with a Non Naish foil ??. was wondering how it might go with the Slingshot Light wind foil, from what I have seen and observed it offers much better upwind performance than the Naish and is availble with a track mount
I have thought about buying the large (93cm mast) in the slingshot smaller front wing instead of the Naish 95 mast. Maybe Sam (WS&S)can get one in or they might have one. I think it would work quite well on the Naish hover. However the 70 ws1 foil is great in light winds. Nice to have something for the higher winds.
I have sailed next a a slingshot foil on a regular basis and it's able to sail a lot higher than the Naish,maybe wor h looking into
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Has anyone tried the Hover 122 with a Non Naish foil ??. was wondering how it might go with the Slingshot Light wind foil, from what I have seen and observed it offers much better upwind performance than the Naish and is availble with a track mount
I got my Hover 122 / Foil in early Dec and have enjoyed the learning curve with help from the many tips on this forum. Its a great board, giving an easy 'bounce' when nose diving. I've recently changed to the 90cm mast, which has made for more sustained flights and a relaxing ride. However, with more foils on the water, its interesting to see the difference in performance and stance. Those using NP foils and ex-formula boards are able to load the foil up with large sails and adopt a more traditional 'drive sideways against the fin' position, driving hard upwind and flying earlier. I've tried similar on the Hover with a 7.8M race sail but I found little gain compared to my 6.3m wave sail as I have to keep my weight over the board to control lift. I'm now also looking at a different foils - or a wider board!! ........ anyone else tried other options?
have been wondering how the Naish foil might go on a JP foil board, ?? about 16cm wider than the Hover, would be a nice experiment
I've been running the Naish foil on my Falcon Superlight wind (90 cm wide), i'm 95 kg, but happy running this setup with an Ezzy Cheater 7.0 in up to about 17-18 knots. I then change back to a regular fin with an 8.0.
Not having any problems with too much lift on that setup, I have a couple of degrees of additional tilt on the rear wing in most conditions.
Thats with the shorter mast, I have just ordered the longer Naish mast - which should give a little more scope in chop. I will report back how it goes.........
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I've been running the Naish foil on my Falcon Superlight wind (90 cm wide), i'm 95 kg, but happy running this setup with an Ezzy Cheater 7.0 in up to about 17-18 knots. I then change back to a regular fin with an 8.0.
Not having any problems with too much lift on that setup, I have a couple of degrees of additional tilt on the rear wing in most conditions.
Thats with the shorter mast, I have just ordered the longer Naish mast - which should give a little more scope in chop. I will report back how it goes.........
How do you think it goes upwind ???, any other foils nearby to compare against
No other foils to compare it to, but goes upwind a lot better than the 63 cm S1 I am running with 8.7. Haven't raced it on a course with an upwind leg, but no trouble going wherever you like when just blasting around.
i hear they don't point quite as high as some other higher aspect foils.
Dont have personal experience with Naish.. everyone i know who has one , foil , board love them,
I Have the slingshot foil and the slingshot wizard 125,
Great combination to learn foiling on for any intermediate to advanced sailor.
yes the foil points incredibly high and the 195cm board is nice and compact.
biggest sail i have ever used is my severne s1 5.2--- gets up in 8-10 knots easily.
And have learnt to gybe on the foil finally
Now purchased the Sailworks cammed foil specific sail in 5.2 , gave it first run today and very impressed!
I'm afraid I'm having difficulty in sustaining the correct 'altitude' on my Hover 122. In the half a dozen times I've been out, I've managed to remain 'airborne' for only 50-100 meters max... most of the time I hit the water after 20 meters... or fly too high and the foil leaves the water and then it's all over.There's no way I can get my feet in the straps, so I've removed the straps which kinda help... well, maybe a bit.I'm 105kg, 66 years old, and a pretty good windsurfer. I sail in mast-high waves in Gnaraloo, Exmouth and Ho'okiipa and have won a few amateur slalom competitions...... but this foiling thing is taking me longer to nail than I'd thought it would.I'm not sure what to do to expedite the process/progress. I've checked out several YouTube vids and read up on many forums, but to little avail.If anyone has any "magic pill" I'd love to hear from them. I live in Rockingham, Perth WA.I won't give up, but hopefully it'll start getting easier soon.
Hi Cecil can you give us a bit more info about your foiling sesssions so far. Wind strength / sail size used and what position do you have your foot straps ???
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I'm afraid I'm having difficulty in sustaining the correct 'altitude' on my Hover 122. In the half a dozen times I've been out, I've managed to remain 'airborne' for only 50-100 meters max... most of the time I hit the water after 20 meters... or fly too high and the foil leaves the water and then it's all over.There's no way I can get my feet in the straps, so I've removed the straps which kinda help... well, maybe a bit.I'm 105kg, 66 years old, and a pretty good windsurfer. I sail in mast-high waves in Gnaraloo, Exmouth and Ho'okiipa and have won a few amateur slalom competitions...... but this foiling thing is taking me longer to nail than I'd thought it would.I'm not sure what to do to expedite the process/progress. I've checked out several YouTube vids and read up on many forums, but to little avail.If anyone has any "magic pill" I'd love to hear from them. I live in Rockingham, Perth WA.I won't give up, but hopefully it'll start getting easier soon.
Get a wider board Cecil, at 105 kegs I reckon it's going to be a slow learning curve on the hover. I started with the Titan, and at 100 kg struggled similarly. Guys like us need a 7.# to get going in anything but a solid blow. These bigger sails and wider booms don't play happily with the narrow board.
i switched to the Falcon light wind, and noticed the difference immediately, quicker to plane and much more stable on the foil, get back away from the rig with plenty of room to move.
Straight into the straps and enjoy the ride.......leave the hover for the lighter riders and smaller sails.
Ps the thrust foil works a treat on the bigger board, it's a keeper.
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I'm afraid I'm having difficulty in sustaining the correct 'altitude' on my Hover 122. In the half a dozen times I've been out, I've managed to remain 'airborne' for only 50-100 meters max... most of the time I hit the water after 20 meters... or fly too high and the foil leaves the water and then it's all over.There's no way I can get my feet in the straps, so I've removed the straps which kinda help... well, maybe a bit.I'm 105kg, 66 years old, and a pretty good windsurfer. I sail in mast-high waves in Gnaraloo, Exmouth and Ho'okiipa and have won a few amateur slalom competitions...... but this foiling thing is taking me longer to nail than I'd thought it would.I'm not sure what to do to expedite the process/progress. I've checked out several YouTube vids and read up on many forums, but to little avail.If anyone has any "magic pill" I'd love to hear from them. I live in Rockingham, Perth WA.I won't give up, but hopefully it'll start getting easier soon.
What angle are you having your rear tail at? Neutral or higher lift. It sounds like you may be coming out of the water too much and not stable enough. It's s game of mm's.
It it took me a while to find happy balance between foil track position, mast base position and tail angle.
I spent a day just playing with track position and angles and so glad I did. Just had a screw driver at waters edge and adjusted every run or two.
I ended up up with the foil sitting about 15mm behind the marked centre with sail in mid track position (5.5m) and a small extra lift in the rear tail. This changed with every variable. In higher winds reduce rear angle. Smaller sails tend to like the mid default position.
Remember it is different foot pressure than normal sailing. Pressure on back foot to pop up then control lift with balance. If your breaching the foil out of the water you are likely not having enough front foot pressure.
Just wait ant for the foiling gybes that's s learning curve!
Message me if you want to chat more about my experience. Hope something helps
have you done the online foil academy course it's free.
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I'm afraid I'm having difficulty in sustaining the correct 'altitude' on my Hover 122. In the half a dozen times I've been out, I've managed to remain 'airborne' for only 50-100 meters max... most of the time I hit the water after 20 meters... or fly too high and the foil leaves the water and then it's all over.There's no way I can get my feet in the straps, so I've removed the straps which kinda help... well, maybe a bit.I'm 105kg, 66 years old, and a pretty good windsurfer. I sail in mast-high waves in Gnaraloo, Exmouth and Ho'okiipa and have won a few amateur slalom competitions...... but this foiling thing is taking me longer to nail than I'd thought it would.I'm not sure what to do to expedite the process/progress. I've checked out several YouTube vids and read up on many forums, but to little avail.If anyone has any "magic pill" I'd love to hear from them. I live in Rockingham, Perth WA.I won't give up, but hopefully it'll start getting easier soon.
what worked for me was to keep my eyes on the horizon and not look at the nose of the board.
once you lift off, look to the distance.
If you watch the nose to determine your attitude you will porpoise as you try and chase pitch changes.
I often sail after sunset and find things a lot smoother when sailing by feel rather than visual clues.
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I'm afraid I'm having difficulty in sustaining the correct 'altitude' on my Hover 122. In the half a dozen times I've been out, I've managed to remain 'airborne' for only 50-100 meters max... most of the time I hit the water after 20 meters... or fly too high and the foil leaves the water and then it's all over.There's no way I can get my feet in the straps, so I've removed the straps which kinda help... well, maybe a bit.I'm 105kg, 66 years old, and a pretty good windsurfer. I sail in mast-high waves in Gnaraloo, Exmouth and Ho'okiipa and have won a few amateur slalom competitions...... but this foiling thing is taking me longer to nail than I'd thought it would.I'm not sure what to do to expedite the process/progress. I've checked out several YouTube vids and read up on many forums, but to little avail.If anyone has any "magic pill" I'd love to hear from them. I live in Rockingham, Perth WA.I won't give up, but hopefully it'll start getting easier soon.
Hey Cecil,
I am in the 95kg area, I find when most people are having experiences as you are describing, it's usually a set up thing. Ensure you have the rear straps set all the way back and run your foil all the way back in the box. I am quite tall so use the front straps all the way forward, but it's really a comfort thing. On a 5.7m I set my mast base between middle and all the way back (3/4 back). On the 4.7m it depends on the conditions, but pretty much similar or sometimes a little further forward. I find it super important to get into the straps before you get foiling, at least the front one anyway. While strapless is pretty easy, straps really do help you. Another option may be to upgrade to the new Hover 142. Basically the same board but bigger for then more generously proportioned human. The arrive in about 1 month.
I hope this helps,
Ride safe,
JB
Check this one out off Robby's facebook page.
www.facebook.com/RobbyNaishUS1111/videos/1612293595514421/
JB
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have been wondering how the Naish foil might go on a JP foil board, ?? about 16cm wider than the Hover, would be a nice experiment
No problem.Have a look
An example of pushing hydrofoil technology forward as opposed to pushing for market share.
Zeeko have improved low speed beginner friendliness, better carving,
better positioning for being able to fit to any Slalom board.
All without compromising the performance you will want as you progress.
issuu.com/zeeko-kites.com/docs/alloyserieswindfoiluk2018
Aus 814, I run the Naish Thrust WS1 with a 70 cm mast on the JP 155 foil board using the Flyer foil sails 7 and 6 and just bought the 5.2 Flyer too.
When riding a long swell with no sail power my rear leg gets tired. I wish I could move the foil forward a bit. I believe moving it forward would also help with early planing.
I can get onto the foil in 12 mph to 13 mph gusts, so average of 10 mph with the 7.0 Flyer.
I love the wide board, very stable, plenty of space between the sail and me, can lean way out sometimes.
The larger board probably requires a larger sail, but it handles it with no problem.
I heard Naish is coming out with a wider wind foil board. I am very interested in that because I still have enough width but can now move the foil forward on the board to have better balance between my front and back leg and get even earlier take off in light wind.
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Aus 814, I run the Naish Thrust WS1 with a 70 cm mast on the JP 155 foil board using the Flyer foil sails 7 and 6 and just bought the 5.2 Flyer too.
When riding a long swell with no sail power my rear leg gets tired. I wish I could move the foil forward a bit. I believe moving it forward would also help with early planing.
I can get onto the foil in 12 mph to 13 mph gusts, so average of 10 mph with the 7.0 Flyer.
I love the wide board, very stable, plenty of space between the sail and me, can lean way out sometimes.
The larger board probably requires a larger sail, but it handles it with no problem.
I heard Naish is coming out with a wider wind foil board. I am very interested in that because I still have enough width but can now move the foil forward on the board to have better balance between my front and back leg and get even earlier take off in light wind.
We will have the larger Hover Foil Specific Wind Foil boards here soon. They are 236 x 77.5cm @ 142 ltrs. as opposed to the 122ltr which is 229 x 73cm.
Having the duel track system is great for fin tuning your foil position. I usually find moving my foil back and forth is more effective then adjusting the rear wing angle. Best to get the spot right for you, then adjust the rear as needed.
Ride safe,
JB
JB, have you heard any thoughts behind this design?
It seems to be more of a long and narrow setup vs. JP and Exocet boards which are shorter and wider.
I hear beginners have should be on boards at least 80 cm wide and some say 90 cm is even better. Is this no longer the case?
I am currently on a JP 155 and was thinking about this Naish board but honestly the narrow width is a concern for me.
Any insight you have heard on this design would be great.
Less thinking of gear..more water time.
2nd day on Thrust foil, used a 242x62 windsurf board foiling along with no problems except for foiling jibes.
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JB, have you heard any thoughts behind this design?
It seems to be more of a long and narrow setup vs. JP and Exocet boards which are shorter and wider.
I hear beginners have should be on boards at least 80 cm wide and some say 90 cm is even better. Is this no longer the case?
I am currently on a JP 155 and was thinking about this Naish board but honestly the narrow width is a concern for me.
Any insight you have heard on this design would be great.
I agree, and I think that Naish were brilliant in introducing the first easy access complete foil / board solution. I've enjoyed learning on it, but now I'm comfortable with the basics of flight and want to push things, the board width is definitely an limiting factor. Both of the JPs look like better options to me. Just my thoughts!
Select to expand quotePaulD68 said..BrynInKailua said..
JB, have you heard any thoughts behind this design?
It seems to be more of a long and narrow setup vs. JP and Exocet boards which are shorter and wider.
I hear beginners have should be on boards at least 80 cm wide and some say 90 cm is even better. Is this no longer the case?
I am currently on a JP 155 and was thinking about this Naish board but honestly the narrow width is a concern for me.
Any insight you have heard on this design would be great.
I agree, and I think that Naish were brilliant in introducing the first easy access complete foil / board solution. I've enjoyed learning on it, but now I'm comfortable with the basics of flight and want to push things, the board width is definitely an limiting factor. Both of the JPs look like better options to me. Just my thoughts!
I would check out the Exocet too when using the Naish foil.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Exocet-RF91-Foil-Board?page=1
I have the JP 155 and am considering the new Naish wider board or the Exocet.The JP 155 is geared for a very fast foil with the tuttle box location and the foot straps.
I am looking for a board where I can have equal weight on the front and back leg at most times and where the foot straps are in board more and easier to get into when pumping.
I like the flat deck on the Exocet and they moved the tuttle box about 10 cm forward which will allow me to weight my front leg more hopefully.
As someone mentioned in that Exocet thread the Naish foil is a keeper and it works well with a wider board.
COE looks much farther back on the kitefoil front wing mounted on the windsurf fuselage so mast might need to be moved forwards. That's the cause of slight height control problems.
What planes early does NOT go the fastest, as we learned in speed trials.
Surfers should use wave boards.
Naish WS1 foil - adjusted the rear wing about 1mm (from neutral) to increase lift today, even though overpowered.
Worked great with the Isonic 121, much less back foot pressure required and easy height control. 
Simmer 2XC twin-cam 6m helps the WS1 get great upwind & downwind angles.
SW 15-20 knot seabreeze - awesome WA summer still delivering 
Hi
I am 85kg and have very ligh ind conditions. 6 knots, sometimes 8, sometimes less. I have been windsurfing years ago , for the last years suping surfing with a 8.3 120l board. I am thinking to buy Naish Hover122 and WS1 foil and Lioft 5.7. Is it possible to foil in these light conditions in the Sea (some chop)? Thx a lot!!!
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Hi
I am 85kg and have very ligh ind conditions. 6 knots, sometimes 8, sometimes less. I have been windsurfing years ago , for the last years suping surfing with a 8.3 120l board. I am thinking to buy Naish Hover122 and WS1 foil and Lioft 5.7. Is it possible to foil in these light conditions in the Sea (some chop)? Thx a lot!!!
6kn is achievable, but not easily. 8kn is a little more realistic. Here I am riding the Hover 142 with Thrust WS1 and Lift 5.7m. The wind is super light, and gusts were needed to get foiling, but they were definitely under 10kn (more light 8kn). Once you are up and foiling, you can ride into 6kn (once you know what you are doing). At 85kg, you will be fine on the 122. I'd set the reality of going in 10kn to start with unless you've foiled before. Once you get your pump worked out and get efficient you'll easily get 8kn and possibly lighter.
