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The Mutant (video)

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Created by azymuth > 9 months ago, 15 Dec 2021
azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
15 Dec 2021 9:04AM
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Trying to figure out how small is too small








aeroegnr
1731 posts
15 Dec 2021 9:14AM
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Wow, what do you think the volume is?

ZeroVix
363 posts
15 Dec 2021 9:16AM
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Who needs cutouts? Just cut it off. Nice.

utcminusfour
749 posts
15 Dec 2021 9:43AM
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JJ, thanks for sharing that! So is that too small for you? Is that your old 125? Send me some rough dims and I can calc the volume. I love the spirit and the stoke.

jims
138 posts
15 Dec 2021 10:17AM
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Looks like board length is about equal to mast length!

WillyWind
579 posts
15 Dec 2021 10:37AM
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Tell us about touchdown recovery :)

I have seen this one several times in Hood River from a team rider.


Faff
VIC, 1370 posts
15 Dec 2021 1:40PM
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WillyWind said..
Tell us about touchdown recovery :)

I have seen this one several times in Hood River from a team rider.


Was the foil box replaced here?

ZeroVix
363 posts
15 Dec 2021 10:55AM
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WillyWind said..
Tell us about touchdown recovery :)

I have seen this one several times in Hood River from a team rider.



That is Greg Glazier's board. At least you don't have to worry about nose damage.

KDog
361 posts
15 Dec 2021 10:56AM
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Confirms my theory if your good you can ride anything

Emiltron3000
QLD, 9 posts
15 Dec 2021 1:07PM
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Hahah epic rat board! No nose design is the most fun I've had on a windfoil. How did you like it? Credit to Tony Logosz of Slingshot who has been working on these designs for a while. Touchdowns aren't an issue and we don't touchdown that much anyway :p

instagram.com/logosz?utm_medium=copy_link


azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
15 Dec 2021 11:10AM
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utcminusfour said..
JJ, thanks for sharing that! So is that too small for you? Is that your old 125? Send me some rough dims and I can calc the volume. I love the spirit and the stoke.




Cheers
It's fun small although lack of slogging ability probably means it's not ideal for the ocean.
I can grovel back with my Freestyle 87L if I come off the foil - just.

I'd be interested to know the volume, thanks for the offer


azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
15 Dec 2021 11:17AM
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Emiltron3000 said..
Hahah epic rat board! No nose design is the most fun I've had on a windfoil. How did you like it? Credit to Tony Logosz of Slingshot who has been working on these designs for a while. Touchdowns aren't an issue and we don't touchdown that much anyway :p

instagram.com/logosz?utm_medium=copy_link




I've been stalking Tony on Insta for a while

Sandman1221
2776 posts
15 Dec 2021 11:22AM
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So I can safely say mine is longer and bigger than yours!

WillyWind
579 posts
15 Dec 2021 11:24AM
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Emiltron3000 said..
Hahah epic rat board! No nose design is the most fun I've had on a windfoil. How did you like it? Credit to Tony Logosz of Slingshot who has been working on these designs for a while. Touchdowns aren't an issue and we don't touchdown that much anyway :p

instagram.com/logosz?utm_medium=copy_link




Yes, Tony and his team have been using no-nose boards for a while. Someday I will try one.

hardpole
WA, 604 posts
15 Dec 2021 8:28PM
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azymuth said..

utcminusfour said..
JJ, thanks for sharing that! So is that too small for you? Is that your old 125? Send me some rough dims and I can calc the volume. I love the spirit and the stoke.





Cheers
It's fun small although lack of slogging ability probably means it's not ideal for the ocean.
I can grovel back with my Freestyle 87L if I come off the foil - just.

I'd be interested to know the volume, thanks for the offer



I wouldn't recognize it

You sell someone a perfectly good slalom board and look what they do with it.

You could have made a couple more with the off cuts

WsurfAustin
651 posts
15 Dec 2021 9:23PM
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Awesome riding !!. That bow sure is pointy

CAN17
575 posts
15 Dec 2021 10:23PM
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WillyWind said..
Tell us about touchdown recovery :)

I have seen this one several times in Hood River from a team rider.



The extra volume in the nose with the built up ridges looks way easier to ride and should schlog better keeping the rig from sinking he nose. And those pads for extra protection for the rider and/or the mast




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azymuth said..
Trying to figure out how small is too small










Wow JJ, just bolted right threw the deck, is that still water tight?


Did you install new front inserts there?
I reckon a dakine foam kick pad over the back bolts would make things comfy, although I think the stopper to keep you from stepping off the back

Looks like epic fun for downwinders

6u1d0
128 posts
15 Dec 2021 10:54PM
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So now the question is : does it make the ride better ?
Is it worth loosing the uphaul option ?

CoreAS
923 posts
15 Dec 2021 11:09PM
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SO awesome

I think you should shape a mutant from a wood pallet and see if you can foil that JJ... I bet you would!

thedoor
2469 posts
16 Dec 2021 1:56AM
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Awesome JJ.

Can you send a picture of your clew camera set up please?

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
16 Dec 2021 7:05AM
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2009! That was peak Isonic as far as durability goes. Foil ready already. The lack of longitudinal inertia must make it tricky to hold altitude?


MilSurf
47 posts
16 Dec 2021 9:18AM
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Very cool footage Azymuth!

swoosh
QLD, 1928 posts
16 Dec 2021 1:59PM
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This is super cool.

azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
16 Dec 2021 4:34PM
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Cheers all

I chopped the board more than a year ago but only lately have been able to try it out.


A few random comments and answers to questions in the thread.

I cut out too much nose volume - it needs heaps of sail power to waterstart/get up on foil so once I'm flying I have to deal with greater than ideal sail area for the conditions - in the vid I'm using a 4.5m in 25 knot gusts.
The rough board bottom/exposed bolts no doubt adds to the drag.

Height control is not hard to maintain but the board is definitely more twitchy in the gybes - but super loose and crazy fun, worth trying if you have an old board lying around.

I don't think I'd get a new board built to a similar length even with more nose volume.
Lack of ability to slog back if the wind drops means I wouldn't feel confident using it often enough in the ocean to justify the cost - and I'm super happy with the W114 and Freestyle 87 that I have.
Also, in big seas a little nose to help bounce back up if I drop off foil down a wave and some swing-weight to steady things up are probably good things.

The bolts are temporarily drilled through the board and unsealed so will take on water - I'll epoxy them in. They're just galvanized so will rust at some point but will probably outlive the board. The bolt-heads work pretty well to stop my foot slipping.

A few dudes have asked about the GoPro mount - pretty straight forward. You notice the weight with a smaller sail and dealing with shorebreak is tricky

utcminusfour
749 posts
16 Dec 2021 10:16PM
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azymuth said..

utcminusfour said..
JJ, thanks for sharing that! So is that too small for you? Is that your old 125? Send me some rough dims and I can calc the volume. I love the spirit and the stoke.





Cheers
It's fun small although lack of slogging ability probably means it's not ideal for the ocean.
I can grovel back with my Freestyle 87L if I come off the foil - just.

I'd be interested to know the volume, thanks for the offer



JJ,
Thickness matters and I could not find any pictures showing a good side view.! Can measure the thickness at the "transom" (tail)? Also set the board on something flat and measure how far the tip of the nose is lifted above the flat of the bottom. Then make a rough measure of where along the length that the rocker goes flat. Then I will have enough info to make a quick model and calc volume.

utcminusfour
749 posts
16 Dec 2021 10:18PM
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Emiltron3000 said..
Hahah epic rat board! No nose design is the most fun I've had on a windfoil. How did you like it? Credit to Tony Logosz of Slingshot who has been working on these designs for a while. Touchdowns aren't an issue and we don't touchdown that much anyway :p

instagram.com/logosz?utm_medium=copy_link




Is Slingshot ever gonna share this fun?

crawf
WA, 43 posts
18 Dec 2021 8:55AM
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Wow... I thought the new toy at 1730 long was going to be a coffee table. Yours is inspirational!!
Lift off takes some work, but when in flight it just wants to stay there...







crawf
WA, 43 posts
18 Dec 2021 8:56AM
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And yes, the footstraps are 5-6 cm too far back...

John340
QLD, 3363 posts
18 Dec 2021 5:05PM
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crawf said..
Wow... I thought the new toy at 1730 long was going to be a coffee table. Yours is inspirational!!
Lift off takes some work, but when in flight it just wants to stay there...








The board looks great. What is the construction?

crawf
WA, 43 posts
18 Dec 2021 7:10PM
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crawf said..
Wow... I thought the new toy at 1730 long was going to be a coffee table. Yours is inspirational!!
Lift off takes some work, but when in flight it just wants to stay there...








The board looks great. What is the construction?

Paulownia 6mm hollow core. Hardwood i believe, density just above Balsa. Laser cut ribs and stringers glued together to create a formed profile. 2 full length stringers foam filled for box and mast track. Foot strap locations also foam filled. Rails are glued and hand planed to allow the top and bottom skins to be fixed, again glue (poly), and shaped into rails.
Glass and epoxy to wrap the board.
'Tis a labor of love....

azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
18 Dec 2021 8:09PM
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crawf said..

John340 said..


crawf said..
Wow... I thought the new toy at 1730 long was going to be a coffee table. Yours is inspirational!!
Lift off takes some work, but when in flight it just wants to stay there...








The board looks great. What is the construction?


Paulownia 6mm hollow core. Hardwood i believe, density just above Balsa. Laser cut ribs and stringers glued together to create a formed profile. 2 full length stringers foam filled for box and mast track. Foot strap locations also foam filled. Rails are glued and hand planed to allow the top and bottom skins to be fixed, again glue (poly), and shaped into rails.
Glass and epoxy to wrap the board.
'Tis a labor of love....


It looks supercool - awesome work
Similar construction to strip-plank kayaks I guess.
Where are you foiling?



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