Select to expand quotePatK said..
I do
In a recent video filmed in Tenerife, Mario Kumpel, no slouch in either slalom or windfoil, looked surprisingly competent on a wingfoil, pulling off foiling tacks after not having winged in a while. I'd venture that a significant number of top riders do both. Young USA IQfoiler who had a respectable finish at the Worlds is also a quite good wingfoiler. Windfoil is especially good for zoom zoom and wing for carving esses. A windsurfer having both a 95 l. freerace/race board and 95 l. fsw would be a good analog.
Select to expand quotePatK said..I do
When do you choose one vs the other? Part of the reason why I stopped windfoiling is that I got sick of dealing with the shore break...
Mostly windfoiling. Sometimes wingfoiling if conditions are good for it. Still trying to pumpfoil and foilscoot, but no success so far 
This week i had two fantastic days at Silvaplana with my Predator 110 and 4.4 foil freek. This is so great, wingfoiling cannot beat it
Select to expand quotePatK said..PatK said..I do
When do you choose one vs the other? Part of the reason why I stopped windfoiling is that I got sick of dealing with the shore break...
Mostly windfoiling. Sometimes wingfoiling if conditions are good for it. Still trying to pumpfoil and foilscoot, but no success so far
This week i had two fantastic days at Silvaplana with my Predator 110 and 4.4 foil freek. This is so great, wingfoiling cannot beat it
Hi Pat, totally off-topic here, but I've been meaning to go to Silvaplana for a while for winDfoiling but wondering if the effect of the altitude (1800m asl?) does not oblige you to use much larger sails? However since you were on 4.4 either that is not true, or it was howling ??. How are conditions in general during august? And in september? How long do you get reliable thermals?
what is typically a favourable weather forecast for thermals to work there?
Select to expand quoteTomDW said..PatK said..PatK said..I do
When do you choose one vs the other? Part of the reason why I stopped windfoiling is that I got sick of dealing with the shore break...
Mostly windfoiling. Sometimes wingfoiling if conditions are good for it. Still trying to pumpfoil and foilscoot, but no success so far
This week i had two fantastic days at Silvaplana with my Predator 110 and 4.4 foil freek. This is so great, wingfoiling cannot beat it
Hi Pat, totally off-topic here, but I've been meaning to go to Silvaplana for a while for winDfoiling but wondering if the effect of the altitude (1800m asl?) does not oblige you to use much larger sails? However since you were on 4.4 either that is not true, or it was howling ??. How are conditions in general during august? And in september? How long do you get reliable thermals?
what is typically a favourable weather forecast for thermals to work there?
Aside from altitude, I think the difference in foiling in freshwater should be taken into account.
A fellow windfoiler was on vacation in Lake Garda in early July and told me that there's a big difference in foiling in freshwater versus saltwater.
Select to expand quotePatK said..PatK said..I do
When do you choose one vs the other? Part of the reason why I stopped windfoiling is that I got sick of dealing with the shore break...
Mostly windfoiling. Sometimes wingfoiling if conditions are good for it. Still trying to pumpfoil and foilscoot, but no success so far
This week i had two fantastic days at Silvaplana with my Predator 110 and 4.4 foil freek. This is so great, wingfoiling cannot beat it
Wingfoiling is great if you have any kind of waves.
Select to expand quoteTomDW said..PatK said..PatK said..I do
When do you choose one vs the other? Part of the reason why I stopped windfoiling is that I got sick of dealing with the shore break...
Mostly windfoiling. Sometimes wingfoiling if conditions are good for it. Still trying to pumpfoil and foilscoot, but no success so far
This week i had two fantastic days at Silvaplana with my Predator 110 and 4.4 foil freek. This is so great, wingfoiling cannot beat it
Hi Pat, totally off-topic here, but I've been meaning to go to Silvaplana for a while for winDfoiling but wondering if the effect of the altitude (1800m asl?) does not oblige you to use much larger sails? However since you were on 4.4 either that is not true, or it was howling ??. How are conditions in general during august? And in september? How long do you get reliable thermals?
what is typically a favourable weather forecast for thermals to work there?
Altitude and temperature definitely affect the power a given sail size has. The way pilots normalize this is with "density altitude"
- source: primary spot 300m above sea level and can feel like as much as 1200m above in summer.
Select to expand quoteEugenius 2.0 said..
Although it may seem strange, it's incredibly good for taking off in very light winds (today I foiled in 7-8 knots with the Fringe 4.7) and comfortably handles winds of up to 12-14 knots.
I'd say the hardest part is learning to gybe very slow on a wing with such a wide span and area. It's essential to gybe wide and without leaning the board too much to maintain control, and above all, you have to maintain balance when performing the entire maneuver at very low speed. The wing has incredible lift, and even in very light winds, you usually end the gybe almost static in the air but you just need to pump the foil and sail again to keep flying.
It's very helpful to do everything with a board with a wide tail and short span like the Wizard 103. All the volume is concentrated under your feet, making it a spacious dance floor that makes everything easier. I've tested the 1250 with the Slingshot Freestyle 115 and while it takes off in less wind but, the extra length and narrow tail make it much more difficult.
Gybing when flying at higher speed is much easier
Do you use the Slingshot Phantasm fuselage for the Sabfoil 1250 or a Sabfoil fuselage ?
Never had problems with the connection of the Sabfoil on the Phantasm fuselage : broken or bend screws.
Are you using M6 with conical washers or did you drill the Phantasm fuselage to
M8 ?
Select to expand quoteYellowHelmet said..Eugenius 2.0 said..
Although it may seem strange, it's incredibly good for taking off in very light winds (today I foiled in 7-8 knots with the Fringe 4.7) and comfortably handles winds of up to 12-14 knots.
I'd say the hardest part is learning to gybe very slow on a wing with such a wide span and area. It's essential to gybe wide and without leaning the board too much to maintain control, and above all, you have to maintain balance when performing the entire maneuver at very low speed. The wing has incredible lift, and even in very light winds, you usually end the gybe almost static in the air but you just need to pump the foil and sail again to keep flying.
It's very helpful to do everything with a board with a wide tail and short span like the Wizard 103. All the volume is concentrated under your feet, making it a spacious dance floor that makes everything easier. I've tested the 1250 with the Slingshot Freestyle 115 and while it takes off in less wind but, the extra length and narrow tail make it much more difficult.
Gybing when flying at higher speed is much easier
Do you use the Slingshot Phantasm fuselage for the Sabfoil 1250 or a Sabfoil fuselage ?
Never had problems with the connection of the Sabfoil on the Phantasm fuselage : broken or bend screws.
Are you using M6 with conical washers or did you drill the Phantasm fuselage to
M8 ?
I use the entire Sabfoil s?t, mast and fuselage.
Sabfoil fuselages use M8 screws for the wings.
