Select to expand quoteGwarn said..utcminusfour said..
I did NOT notice the difference in swing weight. The only pro for me was the shorter length helped keep the nose from catching the wave in front when carving big chop.
This is the what the chubby short boards are all about now throw on a tall mast mast and you have a swell riding machine.
Windfoiling is a Form of Art and it allows a person to find there own riding style.
My style is my own as is my equipment as it works for me and me only this is why I love it.
I'm blessed as I live and ride in one of the windiest places in USA. Treasure Island, San Francisco Bay.
I don't ride if not 16 knots+++ it's just not the same for me I love speed and torque the higher winds provide.
This is one of the reasons I ride with my mast track forward and foil mast all the way back for hard fast swell carving.
I can still flag the sail down by my side and crave and glide and hold my own with the wing dings.
I call my set up ( SS 730 front 400 rear and a 125 mast ) my beach cruiser that I ride in a 70s style skate board park.
It's plenty fast when it needs to be.
It was not easy to get to the level that I'm at now and this is why windfoiling is not growing, I'm a Waterman and a Windsurfer to my core and a strong headed blue collar type so I don't give in easy as my life has always been a fight so the challenge was part of the satisfaction of it.
Just my two cents......................
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island,_San_Francisco
I love how there are no days less than 10 mph in July on that graph above! You are blessed!
Select to expand quoteutcminusfour said..Gwarn said..utcminusfour said..
I did NOT notice the difference in swing weight. The only pro for me was the shorter length helped keep the nose from catching the wave in front when carving big chop.
This is the what the chubby short boards are all about now throw on a tall mast mast and you have a swell riding machine.
Windfoiling is a Form of Art and it allows a person to find there own riding style.
My style is my own as is my equipment as it works for me and me only this is why I love it.
I'm blessed as I live and ride in one of the windiest places in USA. Treasure Island, San Francisco Bay.
I don't ride if not 16 knots+++ it's just not the same for me I love speed and torque the higher winds provide.
This is one of the reasons I ride with my mast track forward and foil mast all the way back for hard fast swell carving.
I can still flag the sail down by my side and crave and glide and hold my own with the wing dings.
I call my set up ( SS 730 front 400 rear and a 125 mast ) my beach cruiser that I ride in a 70s style skate board park.
It's plenty fast when it needs to be.
It was not easy to get to the level that I'm at now and this is why windfoiling is not growing, I'm a Waterman and a Windsurfer to my core and a strong headed blue collar type so I don't give in easy as my life has always been a fight so the challenge was part of the satisfaction of it.
Just my two cents......................
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island,_San_Francisco
I love how there are no days less than 10 mph in July on that graph above! You are blessed!
Thanks for the kind words Utcminusfour.
Yes I'm a very lucky bastard and I count my blessing everyday.
This is why my style riding and equipment is what is as this is where I taught myself to foil.
Just for all you tech critical types my mast base is 69cm / 27 inches from the front of my foil mast.
July is off to a strong start this was yesterday wind and the tide ( Ebb tide )was going the opposite of the wind so the wind swell was nice.
Jumped in at 1:30 and rode for 3 hours and never got cold as it was one of the warmest days ever in the 20+ years of riding the island.
6 windsurfers, 5 Wing Dings, 2 windfoilers and 0 kites.
I'm sure if I was riding in a less windy area my gear would be different this is why I don't ride in less then 16 knots.
To be honest I think I would be on a kite foil ( Sling Shot UFO kites ) with a a micro board and a 633 Sab foil if I lived in a land lock place with out waves and lite winds that are sub 16 knots most days. Life is to short to let that happen.
Currently I only have a one sail quiver ( North 3.7 3Di wave ) I like things easy and tech free.... hook in and hold on.....
You only get one shot at life so chase you dreams and live free.......
Riding the same board going on season 5
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You only get one shot at life so chase you dreams and live free.......
Amen to that !.
I take whatever wind I can get here. Which Wed. night, started 15 minutes before sunset. Winds started crankin' a consistent 23 knots, and I foiled into the sunset and a little after dark. Just and epic good time.
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..
You only get one shot at life so chase you dreams and live free.......
Amen to that !.
I take whatever wind I can get here. Which Wed. night, started 15 minutes before sunset. Winds started crankin' a consistent 23 knots, and I foiled into the sunset and a little after dark. Just and epic good time.
Why i own an 8 m sail. Trying not to leave anything on the table (plus, warm month light wind sessions on silk water are their own kind of fun) It's all good, whatever gear maximizes your smiles. Even if someone's set up doesn't match my style, i still learn a lot by listening to them and their reasoning.
Hi everyone,
I've been following this forum for a while, and this is my first post. I know many of you use Slingshot gear for windfoiling, so I hope you can help me out.
My current setup is a Slingshot Freestyle 115 with Sabfoil foil (W699 / W799 / W899 front wings), which works great in various conditions. Before switching to this freestyle gear, I used a race board with a Neil Pryde F4 EVO freerace foil (755 cm2 HA front wing / 255 cm2 stabilizer). While the Neil Pryde setup is faster than my Sabfoils, I find it less enjoyable, especially in wavy or swell conditions.
Here's my question: Has anyone tried using a race/freerace foil on a freestyle board? My Slingshot Freestyle 115 is 71 cm wide, and I use it with three straps. I could mount my Neil Pryde F4 EVO on the rail track using my Sabfoil Deep Tuttle to Plate adapter to adjust front foot pressure without changing footstrap position. What do you think about this setup?
Thanks
P.S. The reason I haven't tested it yet is that I currently sail in a very tiny lagoon in Switzerland (~150 meters long) with gusty conditions, so I can't afford to lose meters trying to take off. I would like to try this setup eventually in a larger lake or the sea.
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Hi everyone,
I've been following this forum for a while, and this is my first post. I know many of you use Slingshot gear for windfoiling, so I hope you can help me out.
My current setup is a Slingshot Freestyle 115 with Sabfoil foil (W699 / W799 / W899 front wings), which works great in various conditions. Before switching to this freestyle gear, I used a race board with a Neil Pryde F4 EVO freerace foil (755 cm2 HA front wing / 255 cm2 stabilizer). While the Neil Pryde setup is faster than my Sabfoils, I find it less enjoyable, especially in wavy or swell conditions.
Here's my question: Has anyone tried using a race/freerace foil on a freestyle board? My Slingshot Freestyle 115 is 71 cm wide, and I use it with three straps. I could mount my Neil Pryde F4 EVO on the rail track using my Sabfoil Deep Tuttle to Plate adapter to adjust front foot pressure without changing footstrap position. What do you think about this setup?
Thanks
P.S. The reason I haven't tested it yet is that I currently sail in a very tiny lagoon in Switzerland (~150 meters long) with gusty conditions, so I can't afford to lose meters trying to take off. I would like to try this setup eventually in a larger lake or the sea.
I never tried high aspect on my freestyle, partly cause I am married for life to the 799 and also cause I thought you might need more tail width for higher aspect wing (likely an error). For a while I was running the sab 800 on an old slingshot wizard.
I do have a mate who is able to run high aspect on his Freestyle and digs the hell out of it. Although he said it took a couple of weeks to get it dialed. Not sure I would have persevered with that.
I think we adjust our riding style to the gear we combine, but we all tend to gravitate to combinations that we dig and are most successful at. I say try it and let us know.
There were a couple smaller guys using smaller high aspect foils at luhr jensen the other day
FWIW,
I'm on a sab 769 medusa 8.44 aspect ratio, 700cm on a Wizard 114 (66cm wide), SS 360 v stab. Rider 145lbs. No problem aggressive heel to toe turns.
Just saw this guy on a 72L Slingshot 
www.instagram.com/reel/C9KYpbMxcfH/?igsh=MXZoM2Fvd3RmYThwbw==
Rumor is Slingshot is bailing on windfoil. If so, why are they making new prototypes?.
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Just saw this guy on a 72L Slingshot
www.instagram.com/reel/C9KYpbMxcfH/?igsh=MXZoM2Fvd3RmYThwbw==
Rumor is Slingshot is bailing on windfoil. If so, why are they making new prototypes?.
Don't really know the full story on weather they are dropping windsurf foiling they did have a lots of inventory in all phases of the business hence all the good deals on boards foils etc. I think they brought some new management in to help clean up the mess. Tony Logoz is still making custom boards for himself and Greg Glazier who was a SS team rider maybe why he's calling it a prototype.Eventually the official news will surface.
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Just saw this guy on a 72L Slingshot
www.instagram.com/reel/C9KYpbMxcfH/?igsh=MXZoM2Fvd3RmYThwbw==
Rumor is Slingshot is bailing on windfoil. If so, why are they making new prototypes?.
It really seemed like they were dumping inventory. I saw three generations of freestyle available at huge discounts PLUS they had a sale where they threw in a complete foil as well.
The brand new gen III freestyle I got WITH foil was 1400 (plus tax) earlier this year. The gen I and II were going for even less than that. Figured with their deals that low they were getting rid of all their windfoil stuff.
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..WsurfAustin said..
Just saw this guy on a 72L Slingshot
www.instagram.com/reel/C9KYpbMxcfH/?igsh=MXZoM2Fvd3RmYThwbw==
Rumor is Slingshot is bailing on windfoil. If so, why are they making new prototypes?.
It really seemed like they were dumping inventory. I saw three generations of freestyle available at huge discounts PLUS they had a sale where they threw in a complete foil as well.
The brand new gen III freestyle I got WITH foil was 1400 (plus tax) earlier this year. The gen I and II were going for even less than that. Figured with their deals that low they were getting rid of all their windfoil stuff.
Yea I would say you got a deal I picked up the second gen 115 plenty happy with it and love the bottom carry handle
With regards to slingshot windfoil boards it got complicated.
When Covid hit slingshot couldn't keep anything on the shelf it was all wiped out, so by the time the inventory had arrived in the states (massive back log due to shipping containers etc.) the initial surge had long gone.
Kiting and Wake gear was still the bulk of equipment sales, then winging ramped up and wind foil R&D basically stopped due to the slow down.
If you look at the current Slinghot R&D team its Kiting, Winging and Wake....there is no pro wind foiling except for Tony and Greg so I think you are seeing their own custom shaped wind foil boards much the same as JJ and Simon has gone, the guy in Miami (sorry I don't know your name) riding custom Tillo and I recently David (utcminusfour) riding his own custom shape.
I was at a prone foiling event a few months ago and spoke with Tonys brother Jeff and all he mentioned all that Tony was working on are custom boards and paint finishes etc.
I haven't seen anything on the horizon for new production slingshot wind foil boards, so maybe custom shapes will be the new direction?
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With regards to slingshot windfoil boards it got complicated.
When Covid hit slingshot couldn't keep anything on the shelf it was all wiped out, so by the time the inventory had arrived in the states (massive back log due to shipping containers etc.) the initial surge had long gone.
Kiting and Wake gear was still the bulk of equipment sales, then winging ramped up and wind foil R&D basically stopped due to the slow down.
If you look at the current Slinghot R&D team its Kiting, Winging and Wake....there is no pro wind foiling except for Tony and Greg so I think you are seeing their own custom shaped wind foil boards much the same as JJ and Simon has gone, the guy in Miami (sorry I don't know your name) riding custom Tillo and I recently David (utcminusfour) riding his own custom shape.
I was at a prone foiling event a few months ago and spoke with Tonys brother Jeff and all he mentioned all that Tony was working on are custom boards and paint finishes etc.
I haven't seen anything on the horizon for new production slingshot wind foil boards, so maybe custom shapes will be the new direction?
Ya, just checked their website. The V4 wizard is not even on the web site, but plenty of V3's for damn near 1/2 of what I paid for a 114.
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..CoreAS said..
With regards to slingshot windfoil boards it got complicated.
When Covid hit slingshot couldn't keep anything on the shelf it was all wiped out, so by the time the inventory had arrived in the states (massive back log due to shipping containers etc.) the initial surge had long gone.
Kiting and Wake gear was still the bulk of equipment sales, then winging ramped up and wind foil R&D basically stopped due to the slow down.
If you look at the current Slinghot R&D team its Kiting, Winging and Wake....there is no pro wind foiling except for Tony and Greg so I think you are seeing their own custom shaped wind foil boards much the same as JJ and Simon has gone, the guy in Miami (sorry I don't know your name) riding custom Tillo and I recently David (utcminusfour) riding his own custom shape.
I was at a prone foiling event a few months ago and spoke with Tonys brother Jeff and all he mentioned all that Tony was working on are custom boards and paint finishes etc.
I haven't seen anything on the horizon for new production slingshot wind foil boards, so maybe custom shapes will be the new direction?
Ya, just checked their website. The V4 wizard is not even on the web site, but plenty of V3's for damn near 1/2 of what I paid for a 114.
I had ordered a V4 wizard (blue and yellow) but I think only a handful arrived into the U.S. and no more arrived?
It would be a real loss if Slingshot exits the windfoil market. I feel their designs truly capture the essential elements of what a windfoil board needs.
Hopefully when the old stock is cleared out he can start selling wind foil boards again.
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I've always been awed by these guys riding with the UJ so far forward, and it obvioulsly works great with their kit. I suppose their foil balance is way opposite to mine, as I ride with UJ just between my front straps for carving and fun tricks.
Plus from the pic, it seems that the foil plate is way to the rear, the foil front wing is back. And stance looks very wide.
IMHO, it must be a way to get maximum pitch 'locked' balance. More the kind of thing I do when using my 'large' 1m90 board along with 'large' freerace cambed sail.
I am really curious to get some info on the foil used with this board.
Yes, you may be right, you can get a point of equilibrium with straps, UJ and foil mast base positions very different; keeping straps as a point of reference, moving foil base back and moving UJ forward they compensate each other, with a proportion about 1to 7 , 1 cm foil base back 7 cm UJ forward (depending on rider weight) and you get same equilibrium static wise, though this set up is more stable and resist to perturbations coming from sea state and wind gusts...and you can charge with more sail as well since UJ more forward compensate for more lift generated by the higher sail power...manouverability is assured by the small size of the kit overall i guess, though they go charging with more power and high wind, they use the harness most of the time.
Select to expand quotedimacced said..6u1d0 said..
I've always been awed by these guys riding with the UJ so far forward, and it obvioulsly works great with their kit. I suppose their foil balance is way opposite to mine, as I ride with UJ just between my front straps for carving and fun tricks.
Plus from the pic, it seems that the foil plate is way to the rear, the foil front wing is back. And stance looks very wide.
IMHO, it must be a way to get maximum pitch 'locked' balance. More the kind of thing I do when using my 'large' 1m90 board along with 'large' freerace cambed sail.
I am really curious to get some info on the foil used with this board.
Yes, you may be right, you can get a point of equilibrium with straps, UJ and foil mast base positions very different; keeping straps as a point of reference, moving foil base back and moving UJ forward they compensate each other, with a proportion about 1to 7 , 1 cm foil base back 7 cm UJ forward (depending on rider weight) and you get same equilibrium static wise, though this set up is more stable and resist to perturbations coming from sea state and wind gusts...and you can charge with more sail as well since UJ more forward compensate for more lift generated by the higher sail power...manouverability is assured by the small size of the kit overall i guess, though they go charging with more power and high wind, they use the harness most of the time.
Sorry I realyzed I misteken the sentence, you need to move uJ forward and foil mast base forward 1/7 to 1/10 ratio between the two, though if you move the straps forward you can compensate for that moving UJ back on the ratio 1cm straps fw/ 7 to 10 cm UJ back to get the same balance point leaving foil mast base as is. If you move the foil mast base fw, you can move the straps as well fw and get a closer UJ to foil base distance for a more compactc onfiguration but still in balance, dynamic behaviour though will be different.
I am not liking the really compact geometry, UJ close to the front straps. I find the stance too upright and I get overpowered too quickly as i cant get my body weight out and lock in. I get that the board is more responsive but this old man likes it a bit more settled. So I am probably halfway in between where the race guys would have the UJ and the really compact setup and its the sweet spot for me. Still very responsive but I can get my weight out a bit and control the gusts.
I put my slalom foil on the compact board the other day for ****s and giggles and it was great. I am now wondering why the slalom guys are using long boards still, the no nose was awesome locked in and blasting...
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I am not liking the really compact geometry, UJ close to the front straps. I find the stance too upright and I get overpowered too quickly as i cant get my body weight out and lock in. I get that the board is more responsive but this old man likes it a bit more settled. So I am probably halfway in between where the race guys would have the UJ and the really compact setup and its the sweet spot for me. Still very responsive but I can get my weight out a bit and control the gusts.
I put my slalom foil on the compact board the other day for ****s and giggles and it was great. I am now wondering why the slalom guys are using long boards still, the no nose was awesome locked in and blasting...
I am in your same neighborhood with respect to set up, middle wise. I use the harness a lot and charge with sail size, when average windsurfers are on 6.5 I can use a 4.7, though with little adjustment on the sutup I can easily keep this sail when they get on 5.7 and some freestylers on 5.0. the beauty of foiling is that you have lees quiver and adjust for condition if you need to in my opinion. I still have to test the low end by using my 5.7 and using my biggest foil front wing (1700cm2) on 10ish knots, should work, and keep stuff easy.
cheers
Edoardo
Speaking of sales they have everything windsurf foil for 600 bucks on their website now.
