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Created by Sputnik11 > 9 months ago, 3 Sep 2016
LeeD
3939 posts
6 May 2018 1:15PM
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Sure, but are you going back to 1992 when a smaller foil was attached just in front of the mast track while the main was attached just in front of your rear strap?
I suspect a 60 cm fuselage is borderline too short for windfoil, but longer than 90cm might take the lift control away from the pilot.

LeeD
3939 posts
6 May 2018 1:15PM
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Sure, but are you going back to 1992 when a smaller foil was attached just in front of the mast track while the main was attached just in front of your rear strap?
I suspect a 60 cm fuselage is borderline too short for windfoil, but longer than 90cm might take the lift control away from the pilot.

scottydog
230 posts
8 May 2018 11:21PM
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Got a session yesterday on the foils, was blowing 15 - 23 knots so I rigged up my 7m sail and used the 550cm and 255cm foils and the short 75cm fuselage. I should have used a smaller sail, but that was what I had. It was a very difficult session, with struggling to sheet in properly the trim was tricky meaning I was up and down a lot. It was really exhausting so after about 25 mins I went in to change over.

Just to learn a bit I fitted the same foils onto the 115cm fuselage and went back out. It was a massive difference, now I could just track along and in the gusts just load the thing up and use the power. Was much easier to bear off and get speed, or just rail the board over and truck the board upwind. Annoyingly the GPS didn't capture the data so no idea on angles and speeds.

My feeling is the small fuselage seems to work fine on the small sails or when powered up correctly for a newbie foiler. You for sure can feel the flex/twist in the mast at times and makes you wonder if at some point a new style of box mast will come out in the future. If the mast was deeper at the mount with longer mount, then feathered down to the foil.

My take so far is if you are a slalom sailor who uses 6 - 9m sails typically in lighter summer breezes then the Starboard Race carbon is the one to go for. Learning is so quick, don't think there is any need to spend money on "learner" stuff if you are competent sailor. I was out with my moth buddy and it is certainly looking interesting. Even though I'm struggling for tail width on my old free formula I was able to hold him upwind and at times it was putting on ground, more so in the gusts when the foils would lift up a bit and I'd crank harder and really rail it in and get more height and speed. I'm still using a non cambered 8m sail, so will be interesting when I use my Neil Pryde RSS sails!

Need to get a modern board, but that will be a year away so hope the old girl can hang in there!!

LeeD
3939 posts
9 May 2018 12:12AM
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Longer is more stable, to the point it just replicates windsurfing or goes beyond towards boating.
That said, US Nationals was won with a long fuselage.

Lukas111
3 posts
9 May 2018 3:14AM
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I have just ordered a Naish Hover 120 whith a Thrust Surf L and a 70 cm mastDoes anyone know whats the big differance windfoiling the Thrust Surf L vs Thrust WS foil ?
Independently of board you use witch of them take you into foiling first (at lowest windspeed when windsurfing) ?

LeeD
3939 posts
9 May 2018 3:37AM
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L should plane sooner and have lower top speed, but probably not noticeable until you become proficient.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
9 May 2018 2:49PM
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Is the Neil Pryde 134 litre RSX convertible a good board for foiling?

What about for slalom as well?

Believe it's designed for both.

Lukas111
3 posts
9 May 2018 11:37PM
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LeeD said..
L should plane sooner and have lower top speed, but probably not noticeable until you become proficient.


Thanks for your answer mate.

Nelle
VIC, 108 posts
10 May 2018 7:30AM
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petermac33 said..
Is the Neil Pryde 134 litre RSX convertible a good board for foiling?

What about for slalom as well?

Believe it's designed for both.


The RSX is a slalom board suitable for foiling. Its basically a reinforced RRD Crossfire. So a cheap carbon, great light wind combination. But a compromise compared to say the JP foil board, which is designed specifically for foiling

LeeD
3939 posts
11 May 2018 2:17AM
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Basically, almost everything works..or at least it's possible to find someone using almost any combination with some success. After all, it's the Indian, not the arrow.
But maybe good NOT to handicap yourself right from the getgo, nor do you need PRO equipment to start.

Wetspot
ACT, 43 posts
11 May 2018 9:24AM
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Lukas111 said..
I have just ordered a Naish Hover 120 whith a Thrust Surf L and a 70 cm mastDoes anyone know whats the big differance windfoiling the Thrust Surf L vs Thrust WS foil ?
Independently of board you use witch of them take you into foiling first (at lowest windspeed when windsurfing) ?


Both are very low aspect wings and lift early and easily, the WS1 is a foil designed to track, so has the tailfin on the rear wing and a v shaped front wing, The Surf L is designed more to initate and hold through turns (ideally in the surf) so has the turned down front wingtips and no tailfin. The surf should feel less directional and a tiny bit more "wander-ey" when windsurfing, but in my experience for learning and cruising they are very similar to sail.
If you have already upsized from the surf mast you have taken out the biggest difference between them IMHO.

scottydog
230 posts
14 May 2018 9:24AM
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Had a great session with a friend on a moth!

Faff
VIC, 1370 posts
23 May 2018 12:37PM
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Now here is a really stupid question. AFAIK, foils have been around for a long time ... So why all this new interest in foiling? Has the technology drastically improved recently?



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