Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..snowsurf said..
Anyone got any "golden measures" when setting up a windfoil board?
E.g. one guy reviewing the Tabou Magic Carpet 120 wanted his (sail) mast to be 85 cm from the front screw of the foil box, and was able to achieve that on this board.
Seconding the people say that it takes some experimentation. I have ridden other people's boards, who are much better foilers than me, making most of their jibes, and sometimes I found their foil to be backfooted compared to my setup. If I slide my foil backward, I find the nose dips too much in the jibes. I think some of this is poor technique on my part but also probably weight (me being heavier by 10-15kg).
For free ride, I really like the slot boxes for this reason. I played with a foilx 145 and the jack plate but a smaller board with a slot box is a lot easier to dial in.
If you use rear straps, it's nice to have the board foilable while out of the rear strap, which requires a pretty forward setting. If you go without you'll have a lot more room to move your foot to the rear and counteract a more aft foil.
Just to make sure that I understand you correctly - When you write slot box, you mean tuttle/foil box or US track? (Just asking, since you did not like the foilx 145 with tuttle/foil box)
...and I interpret you as you want to be able to adjust front foot pressure up, likely using a US track.
Select to expand quotesnowsurf said..aeroegnr said..snowsurf said..
Anyone got any "golden measures" when setting up a windfoil board?
E.g. one guy reviewing the Tabou Magic Carpet 120 wanted his (sail) mast to be 85 cm from the front screw of the foil box, and was able to achieve that on this board.
Seconding the people say that it takes some experimentation. I have ridden other people's boards, who are much better foilers than me, making most of their jibes, and sometimes I found their foil to be backfooted compared to my setup. If I slide my foil backward, I find the nose dips too much in the jibes. I think some of this is poor technique on my part but also probably weight (me being heavier by 10-15kg).
For free ride, I really like the slot boxes for this reason. I played with a foilx 145 and the jack plate but a smaller board with a slot box is a lot easier to dial in.
If you use rear straps, it's nice to have the board foilable while out of the rear strap, which requires a pretty forward setting. If you go without you'll have a lot more room to move your foot to the rear and counteract a more aft foil.
Just to make sure that I understand you correctly - When you write slot box, you mean tuttle/foil box or US track? (Just asking, since you did not like the foilx 145 with tuttle/foil box)
...and I interpret you as you want to be able to adjust front foot pressure up, likely using a US track.
Ahh sorry I mean the long slotted foil double track like below.
I liked the foilx, is was a definite upgrade, and may work better for some foils that balance more forward, like the starboard foils. But other aspects, like the jack plate and some construction things turned me off after ~2 years.
Select to expand quotesnowsurf said..
Great videos! Sorry for the long message. I want to share a bit more background before I continue dreaming of the conditions that you show on the videos.
I got into foiling two years ago to enjoy days with 7-14 knots wind. My plan was to enjoy windsurfing in stronger winds. The first season I tried using a Sabfoil 790 on my 80cm wide slalom board, but struggled with the balance of this setup - wrong board. I got a JP Hydrofoil 135 (86 cm wide) as my first real foil board a year ago, with two F4 race/slalom foils included for a nice price - might work with the Sabfoil 790, if not, for future fast cruising. The JP was not that fun with my 790, or even with a Sabfoil 950. After last season, I figured that I should have shimmed the 450 stab with the 950 (as most people seem to do). I am also uncertain whether the outboard foot strap placement will work with these mid/lower aspect foils. Maybe this will improve when things are more in balance (after shimming). I am also thinking about adding more inboard front foot straps on this JP. During this winter I got hold of a Sabfoil 1100 front wing (2100cm2) to push the wind limit lower. Not sure how this will work on the JP.
Anyway, I plan to use the JP for higher speed straight line cruising (small trips), and that I need something else for the more agile curvy rides - not planning any jumps.
So, if I want to experience more turns in 7 or 8-15 knots wind. does this change your recommendations for boards?
With my 73 kg without suit, I guess that I will need to use my 6.5m2 Cheetah, and that the 5.3m2 Wave/Elite will not be enough for the lightest breeze. I added some comments for each of the boards. All of them should be able to handle the 6.5 sail.
- Severne Alien 115 (200cm, 70cm, 7.3 kg) - easy to get going? Will this be agile enough, 10cm shorter than the popular 125L?
- Severne Predator 125 (195, 72cm, 7.5kg) - too optimistic with my skills? (expect slower progression) Length and weight is great.
- Tabou Magic Carpet 120 MTE (195cm, 78cm, 9.2kg) - will foil pumping work well enough with a sail to get going? Reviews were unclear. Tracks may start too far forward for windfoiling, so, foil box and shimming the stab might be the solution for adjustments.
- SB FoilX 145 2020 (190cm, 71cm, 8.3kg) - voluminous, very compact shape, but foil box far back. will likely need shimming (would rather try that than a track to tuttle board adapter which some of you use with this board)
- Fanatic Stingray LTD 110 2020 (215cm, 65cm, 8.0kg) - too old/long, ie. not agile enough? US tracks for windfoiling in addition to foil box.
- SS Wizard 130 (188cm, 78cm, 9.3kg) - not really small but "agile"? US tracks for windfoiling
- Wait for a SS Wizard 114 or Goya Airbolt 105 for sale second hand.
- Put board plans aside and add inboard foot straps on the 86cm wide JP - sounds boring.
Appreciate any additional input and advice - running in circles.
I had a chat with INTOTHEVAN on YouTube. His description of the Magic Carpet 110 vs the Alien 125, makes me believe that I would prefer the Magic Carpet (although I only find the 120L MTE version at a good price).
I also belive that the SS Wizard 114 would be a good match but not available. The SS Freestyle which some of you suggest is also not available.
This leaves me with
- Severne Predator 125 - foil and straps seems balanced, but (sail) mast track is further forward than the other two below.
- Tabou Magic Carpet 120 MTE - placement of straps, foil and sail mast looks most balanced of these three, even when using the foil box and not the track (which is 9cm further forward).
- SB FoilX 145 - nice to have some volume, as it still is small and light for the volume. Unsure of its balance, as stance is more forward of foil box than the others (too much for Sabfoil?), but sail mast track is not that far forward. Since aeroegner used the SS pedestal on this board to get the foil mast 5 cm further forward, I am unsure whether it can be shimmed enough (emulate moving the foil mast that far forward).
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..snowsurf said..aeroegnr said..snowsurf said..
Anyone got any "golden measures" when setting up a windfoil board?
E.g. one guy reviewing the Tabou Magic Carpet 120 wanted his (sail) mast to be 85 cm from the front screw of the foil box, and was able to achieve that on this board.
Seconding the people say that it takes some experimentation. I have ridden other people's boards, who are much better foilers than me, making most of their jibes, and sometimes I found their foil to be backfooted compared to my setup. If I slide my foil backward, I find the nose dips too much in the jibes. I think some of this is poor technique on my part but also probably weight (me being heavier by 10-15kg).
For free ride, I really like the slot boxes for this reason. I played with a foilx 145 and the jack plate but a smaller board with a slot box is a lot easier to dial in.
If you use rear straps, it's nice to have the board foilable while out of the rear strap, which requires a pretty forward setting. If you go without you'll have a lot more room to move your foot to the rear and counteract a more aft foil.
Just to make sure that I understand you correctly - When you write slot box, you mean tuttle/foil box or US track? (Just asking, since you did not like the foilx 145 with tuttle/foil box)
...and I interpret you as you want to be able to adjust front foot pressure up, likely using a US track.
Ahh sorry I mean the long slotted foil double track like below.
I liked the foilx, is was a definite upgrade, and may work better for some foils that balance more forward, like the starboard foils. But other aspects, like the jack plate and some construction things turned me off after ~2 years.
Did you try to shim the stab on the FoilX 145? (you are describing exactly what I am worried about with this board)
Select to expand quotesnowsurf said..aeroegnr said..snowsurf said..aeroegnr said..snowsurf said..
Anyone got any "golden measures" when setting up a windfoil board?
E.g. one guy reviewing the Tabou Magic Carpet 120 wanted his (sail) mast to be 85 cm from the front screw of the foil box, and was able to achieve that on this board.
Seconding the people say that it takes some experimentation. I have ridden other people's boards, who are much better foilers than me, making most of their jibes, and sometimes I found their foil to be backfooted compared to my setup. If I slide my foil backward, I find the nose dips too much in the jibes. I think some of this is poor technique on my part but also probably weight (me being heavier by 10-15kg).
For free ride, I really like the slot boxes for this reason. I played with a foilx 145 and the jack plate but a smaller board with a slot box is a lot easier to dial in.
If you use rear straps, it's nice to have the board foilable while out of the rear strap, which requires a pretty forward setting. If you go without you'll have a lot more room to move your foot to the rear and counteract a more aft foil.
Just to make sure that I understand you correctly - When you write slot box, you mean tuttle/foil box or US track? (Just asking, since you did not like the foilx 145 with tuttle/foil box)
...and I interpret you as you want to be able to adjust front foot pressure up, likely using a US track.
Ahh sorry I mean the long slotted foil double track like below.
I liked the foilx, is was a definite upgrade, and may work better for some foils that balance more forward, like the starboard foils. But other aspects, like the jack plate and some construction things turned me off after ~2 years.
Did you try to shim the stab on the FoilX 145? (you are describing exactly what I am worried about with this board)
I never have played with a shim on phantasm foils. I think they have them now but they didn't when I started.
They do have v1-v3 freestyle 115s available on their website direct (that's how I got mine, shipped to my front door). I got mine as it fit the bill and was considerably less expensive than other options.
Also I don't know if this is optimum for light winds as I think that's what you're after, although I can use it with a 7.0 foil glide, and you can probably push lower than me with the weight difference.
For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board
Yes all slingshot windfoil boards are on sale close out but only in the US don't think they would ship overseas the cost would be prohibitive.
Select to expand quote2keen said..
For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board
That's a cool looking board, hadn't seen it in the flesh, and can't see the details from the videos you had up. Looks like a good board and it's got some tail width that'll help some in light wind performance. I'd definitely consider that one.
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..snowsurf said..aeroegnr said..snowsurf said..aeroegnr said..snowsurf said..
Anyone got any "golden measures" when setting up a windfoil board?
E.g. one guy reviewing the Tabou Magic Carpet 120 wanted his (sail) mast to be 85 cm from the front screw of the foil box, and was able to achieve that on this board.
Seconding the people say that it takes some experimentation. I have ridden other people's boards, who are much better foilers than me, making most of their jibes, and sometimes I found their foil to be backfooted compared to my setup. If I slide my foil backward, I find the nose dips too much in the jibes. I think some of this is poor technique on my part but also probably weight (me being heavier by 10-15kg).
For free ride, I really like the slot boxes for this reason. I played with a foilx 145 and the jack plate but a smaller board with a slot box is a lot easier to dial in.
If you use rear straps, it's nice to have the board foilable while out of the rear strap, which requires a pretty forward setting. If you go without you'll have a lot more room to move your foot to the rear and counteract a more aft foil.
Just to make sure that I understand you correctly - When you write slot box, you mean tuttle/foil box or US track? (Just asking, since you did not like the foilx 145 with tuttle/foil box)
...and I interpret you as you want to be able to adjust front foot pressure up, likely using a US track.
Ahh sorry I mean the long slotted foil double track like below.
I liked the foilx, is was a definite upgrade, and may work better for some foils that balance more forward, like the starboard foils. But other aspects, like the jack plate and some construction things turned me off after ~2 years.
Did you try to shim the stab on the FoilX 145? (you are describing exactly what I am worried about with this board)
I never have played with a shim on phantasm foils. I think they have them now but they didn't when I started.
They do have v1-v3 freestyle 115s available on their website direct (that's how I got mine, shipped to my front door). I got mine as it fit the bill and was considerably less expensive than other options.
Also I don't know if this is optimum for light winds as I think that's what you're after, although I can use it with a 7.0 foil glide, and you can probably push lower than me with the weight difference.
Yes, Slingshot has had great offers in their own web shop. I tried that a few days ago, but they only ship within USA. I am in Norway. Those boards are not even available to the Norwegian distributor/shop.
If it is easy to foil pump, I think that it could work. It is still on my long list, but not available at an interesting price. Other European web shops willing to ship to Norway, do not have the same discounts.
Select to expand quote2keen said..
For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Makes me less uncertain whether this might be a good board.
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..2keen said..
For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board
That's a cool looking board, hadn't seen it in the flesh, and can't see the details from the videos you had up. Looks like a good board and it's got some tail width that'll help some in light wind performance. I'd definitely consider that one.
Yep, but not too wide tail. I was thinking that the bevel "overhang" might help in severe foil pumping as well - not sure whether it will only work for wing foiling (without a sail mast). Getting ready to buy. My JP Hydrofoil 135 is so wide that it feels "impossible" to sink its tail to pump the foil before the board rises out of the water.
Select to expand quotesnowsurf said..aeroegnr said..2keen said..
For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board
That's a cool looking board, hadn't seen it in the flesh, and can't see the details from the videos you had up. Looks like a good board and it's got some tail width that'll help some in light wind performance. I'd definitely consider that one.
Yep, but not too wide tail. I was thinking that the bevel "overhang" might help in severe foil pumping as well - not sure whether it will only work for wing foiling (without a sail mast). Getting ready to buy. My JP Hydrofoil 135 is so wide that it feels "impossible" to sink its tail to pump the foil before the board rises out of the water.
Right. The width helps with larger sails a bit, especially going upwind. The freestyle tail sinks super easy compared to the foilx, but I have to ride it laterally out of the straps to sheet in for upwind, as I have the straps in the center positions.
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?
I'm still not really comfortable in bigger waves myself. There's only a few here that will windfoil in waves (I mean on days where it's 25kts or more and we get 6-8ft trough to peak). There are actually much more regular wave windsurfers that show up, and depending on where you go, more wingfoilers (I think especially on the east coast of FL and further south). There aren't many local examples to go by. But you don't see the windsurfers that often either because it's just not normally that windy, so you see a lot more flatwater or bay foilers, sometimes in swells 2-3ft which is what I tend to feel at the top of my current comfort level. I'm not as bothered on the bigger stuff w/ a fin board.
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..azymuth said..WsurfAustin said..
I'm 64kg on the SS114. I've used wings as wide as the 800 and narrow as the 730PFI. All seem to work well. My largest sail is a 5.2, smallest is a 3.7.
This was yesterday in 28 knots on the Sabfoil 769.
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Nice 
- looks like you're hitting about 21 knots speed on those downwinders ?
Thanks, I just have my phone GPS, showing max of 26.9 knots. Looks like 90% were in 22 knot range. This was absolutely pushing my limits with a 700sq cm wing and 184 cm tail. Sabfoil claims 30 knots with an "average rider". Guess I'm below average 
. The gusts to 32 knots were pretty violent so, plenty of "bailouts" that day.
After further Data review, I think that 26.9 knots was bogus. I've done a bunch of similar runs since then, and many 22 knot runs, so I think that high number was a single glitch in the gps/app.
I just got a Free Race cambered sail, so will see if that makes a difference over a wave sail.
Select to expand quotemr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?
Spoke recently to the local Slingshot distributor to see if there's any way to get a hold of the boards advertised in the USA, as mentioned before..no way, freight way to high.
He also mentioned SS would not continuing to support the Windfoil board market, acknowledged it was a shame given their history with the Wizard, Freestyle etc.
Point of the quote..there's not enough of us to support an diverse manufacturer base apparently 
.
In Australia choices are getting very limited, Supporting a local and getting a custom was a better option for me.... don't want to spend the coin on cobra rubbish and find no warranty support in diminishing market. If this one is on the money will order another one to future proof my obsession
I suspect custom will be the only option for freestyle/ wave type windfoil boards going forward, hence why I asked the question. Good for the custom builders which is not a bad thing.
Select to expand quotePanno said..mr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?
Spoke recently to the local Slingshot distributor to see if there's any way to get a hold of the boards advertised in the USA, as mentioned before..no way, freight way to high.
He also mentioned SS would not continuing to support the Windfoil board market, acknowledged it was a shame given their history with the Wizard, Freestyle etc.
Point of the quote..there's not enough of us to support an diverse manufacturer base apparently .
That sucks, but also that seems to be expected given how they were dumping their windfoil boards (and foils) at such a low price. It makes sense because they had 2 or 3 generations of boards for sale there at discount, meaning they probably had a stack of unsold 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen windfoil boards that nobody was buying. Unfortunate, but I understand why they would decide to cut back on that when so many people seem to be getting wing boards .
Select to expand quotemr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?
Started a new thread because this triggered a topic that I keep thinking about.
Select to expand quotemr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?
We've been on life support for a long time, but those that stuck it out are having a blast
I have moved the footstraps forward of my HP Hydrofoil 135, with Lokefoil LK1, 1300 and 890 FW. and shimming the stabs, I can manage the stuff. I?m looking for a small and short board for riding swell, as well.
Select to expand quoteJlpm said..
I have moved the footstraps forward of my HP Hydrofoil 135, with Lokefoil LK1, 1300 and 890 FW. and shimming the stabs, I can manage the stuff. I?m looking for a small and short board for riding swell, as well.
I have player with the idea of adding more positions for my footstraps. I was primarily thinking of putting them more inside towards the center of the board. Although my 135 comes with two rows of footstrap holes, they are not really as much inside as I believe I need for my Sabfoil foils, especially the 790.
I see that you have moved more forward. I don't believe that I would find a good balance over the foil further forward using the Sabfoil freeride fuse and wings.Was the process difficult?
