Select to expand quotePaducah said..
Last night, I was trying to help a friend who's looking to upgrade his foil to something a bit more modern for freeride/freerace . His options available in the US are... limited. Basically current inventory predates all the trade mess and there's very little of it. I know that the focus for a lot of buyers has been on the wingfoil side but there's depressingly not much out there.
With several notable manufacturers (Starboard, Slingshot) that accounted for a lot of the market moving to new standards or withdrawing from the market, this has made things very challenging.
It looks like phantom foiling have allso ceased trading now (they were a leading force in PWA) their Web site has gone dark.
Select to expand quotenerdycross said..Paducah said..
Last night, I was trying to help a friend who's looking to upgrade his foil to something a bit more modern for freeride/freerace . His options available in the US are... limited. Basically current inventory predates all the trade mess and there's very little of it. I know that the focus for a lot of buyers has been on the wingfoil side but there's depressingly not much out there.
With several notable manufacturers (Starboard, Slingshot) that accounted for a lot of the market moving to new standards or withdrawing from the market, this has made things very challenging.
It looks like phantom foiling have allso ceased trading now (they were a leading force in PWA) their Web site has gone dark.
Still showing up but looks like inventory nil or at blow out prices on a lot of stuff. Do they transition to a by special order shop or something else at this point remains to be seen. They were still updating windfoil wings a few months ago with stuff I'd hoped to have ordered in the future.
www.phantom-foiling.com
Select to expand quotePaducah said..nerdycross said..Paducah said..
Last night, I was trying to help a friend who's looking to upgrade his foil to something a bit more modern for freeride/freerace . His options available in the US are... limited. Basically current inventory predates all the trade mess and there's very little of it. I know that the focus for a lot of buyers has been on the wingfoil side but there's depressingly not much out there.
With several notable manufacturers (Starboard, Slingshot) that accounted for a lot of the market moving to new standards or withdrawing from the market, this has made things very challenging.
It looks like phantom foiling have allso ceased trading now (they were a leading force in PWA) their Web site has gone dark.
Still showing up but looks like inventory nil or at blow out prices on a lot of stuff. Do they transition to a by special order shop or something else at this point remains to be seen. They were still updating windfoil wings a few months ago with stuff I'd hoped to have ordered in the future.
www.phantom-foiling.com
Yeah I was about to order kit but as you said the web site there but can't order from it .
Select to expand quotenerdycross said..Paducah said..nerdycross said..Paducah said..
Last night, I was trying to help a friend who's looking to upgrade his foil to something a bit more modern for freeride/freerace . His options available in the US are... limited. Basically current inventory predates all the trade mess and there's very little of it. I know that the focus for a lot of buyers has been on the wingfoil side but there's depressingly not much out there.
With several notable manufacturers (Starboard, Slingshot) that accounted for a lot of the market moving to new standards or withdrawing from the market, this has made things very challenging.
It looks like phantom foiling have allso ceased trading now (they were a leading force in PWA) their Web site has gone dark.
Still showing up but looks like inventory nil or at blow out prices on a lot of stuff. Do they transition to a by special order shop or something else at this point remains to be seen. They were still updating windfoil wings a few months ago with stuff I'd hoped to have ordered in the future.
www.phantom-foiling.com
Yeah I was about to order kit but as you said the web site there but can't order from it .
Sorry about that. hadn't ventured that far into the process since anything I'd want is gone (and can't afford it at the moment anyway)
www.facebook.com/Phantomfoiling/posts/pfbid038ERdXYEtdsDoDM71aQmHqov3H33dPwDpUJLdeC7BoJ589aCcMSq2cZaU8mWTiSwYl
I feel that you're going to see more brands also pull out of the PWA....
Select to expand quotenerdycross said..Paducah said..nerdycross said..Paducah said..
Last night, I was trying to help a friend who's looking to upgrade his foil to something a bit more modern for freeride/freerace . His options available in the US are... limited. Basically current inventory predates all the trade mess and there's very little of it. I know that the focus for a lot of buyers has been on the wingfoil side but there's depressingly not much out there.
With several notable manufacturers (Starboard, Slingshot) that accounted for a lot of the market moving to new standards or withdrawing from the market, this has made things very challenging.
It looks like phantom foiling have allso ceased trading now (they were a leading force in PWA) their Web site has gone dark.
Still showing up but looks like inventory nil or at blow out prices on a lot of stuff. Do they transition to a by special order shop or something else at this point remains to be seen. They were still updating windfoil wings a few months ago with stuff I'd hoped to have ordered in the future.
www.phantom-foiling.com
Yeah I was about to order kit but as you said the web site there but can't order from it .
What are you trying to get? All their Infinite/Spark gear has been produced in very limited quantities and if you hadn't ordered early it will be too late now.
Either way, I would recommend you get in touch with them before processing an order for shipping to the US (or any other place outside the EU). They have not "gone dark".
Select to expand quoteGwarn said..
www.facebook.com/Phantomfoiling/posts/pfbid038ERdXYEtdsDoDM71aQmHqov3H33dPwDpUJLdeC7BoJ589aCcMSq2cZaU8mWTiSwYl
I feel that you're going to see more brands also pull out of the PWA....
What a crock of BS...Withdrawing must be an easy decision after you have been suspended for non-payment of fees for 3 years.
Select to expand quotebel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
Select to expand quotemiamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Pretty impressive Sergio! I'd love to more about your board and foils!
Select to expand quoteutcminusfour said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Pretty impressive Sergio! I'd love to more about your board and foils!
On YouTube someone asked the same and I provided all the answers. I think there a way to shave off another 1 kn of the wind speed with better foil, KT Nomad in particular with high chamber looks interesting, I wish I could borrow one in 800-900 cm2
Select to expand quotemiamiwindsurfe said..utcminusfour said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Pretty impressive Sergio! I'd love to more about your board and foils!
On YouTube someone asked the same and I provided all the answers. I think there a way to shave off another 1 kn of the wind speed with better foil, KT Nomad in particular with high chamber looks interesting, I wish I could borrow one in 800-900 cm2
That's me mate, Thanks!
Select to expand quotemiamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Nice vid - cruisey gliding 
I wonder how rider weight correlates to sail area required to fly in light wind
I'm guessing to get going in 10 knots on a big board similar to your board in the video
60 kgs 4.4m
70 kgs 4.7m
80 kgs 5.5m
???
I would need 5.5 
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Nice vid - cruisey gliding
I wonder how rider weight correlates to sail area required to fly in light wind
I'm guessing to get going in 10 knots on a big board similar to your board in the video
60 kgs 4.4m
70 kgs 4.7m
80 kgs 5.5m
???
I would need 5.5
I think in ultra light winds foil size/ shape plays bigger part, sail not as much, extra 100-200 cm2 should compensate for the weight difference . I have being testing new foils that one size too small in light winds, and that's my latest conclusions after couple of months of testing diff combos.
Select to expand quotemiamiwindsurfe said..azymuth said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Nice vid - cruisey gliding
I wonder how rider weight correlates to sail area required to fly in light wind
I'm guessing to get going in 10 knots on a big board similar to your board in the video
60 kgs 4.4m
70 kgs 4.7m
80 kgs 5.5m
???
I would need 5.5
I think in ultra light winds foil size/ shape plays bigger part, sail not as much, extra 100-200 cm2 should compensate for the weight difference . I have being testing new foils that one size too small in light winds, and that's my latest conclusions after couple of months of testing diff combos.
I totally agree with you.
Select to expand quotemiamiwindsurfe said..utcminusfour said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Pretty impressive Sergio! I'd love to more about your board and foils!
On YouTube someone asked the same and I provided all the answers. I think there a way to shave off another 1 kn of the wind speed with better foil, KT Nomad in particular with high chamber looks interesting, I wish I could borrow one in 800-900 cm2
I have interest in the cambered foils too, sounds like they have great low-end potential. Thanks for sharing your board info on Youtube! Could maybe post a pic of your boards bottom? I would also be super curious how far forward from the tail your foil is and how far forward the sail track is from the foil. Thanks for any info you can share, you are on the leading edge!
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Nice vid - cruisey gliding
I wonder how rider weight correlates to sail area required to fly in light wind
I'm guessing to get going in 10 knots on a big board similar to your board in the video
60 kgs 4.4m
70 kgs 4.7m
80 kgs 5.5m
???
I would need 5.5
JJ, I'm 100+kg and I bet I can fly at 10kts true with a 5.2. I can float and ride (float and fly???) in that for sure maybe even less. It's pumping the big front wing that's creating the magic more than the sail. That said, the sails cut matters a lot. Most wave sails are too flat and twisty for light air foiling, hence the shift towards freestyle sails for many. I am dreaming of sails that are tough enough for the surf but shaped tall, tight and perky.
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..miamiwindsurfe said..bel29 said..miamiwindsurfe said..
I think it's a misunderstanding, my current set, 710cm2, 910 cm2 front wings, 70-75cm fuselages, 2 sails 3.1 and 4.4 m2 covers 7-30 kn. With long fuselages and 8.0 m2 you might take off in 5.5 kn, and front wing could be smaller. But I decided to not to chase 5-6 kn of wind anymore, on small gear too physical and unstable.
also keen to see 4.4 in 7kn :)
?si=e7cVZMOSXXs3dEMI
Here we go, I was using 2 year old foil there, new one has better glide/ low end btw. Pls ignore 'king' label, Alex gets a bit overboard with things...
Nice vid - cruisey gliding
I wonder how rider weight correlates to sail area required to fly in light wind
I'm guessing to get going in 10 knots on a big board similar to your board in the video
60 kgs 4.4m
70 kgs 4.7m
80 kgs 5.5m
???
I would need 5.5
JJ, I'm 100+kg and I bet I can fly at 10kts true with a 5.2. I can float and ride (float and fly???) in that for sure maybe even less. It's pumping the big front wing that's creating the magic more than the sail. That said, the sails cut matters a lot. Most wave sails are too flat and twisty for light air foiling, hence the shift towards freestyle sails for many. I am dreaming of sails that are tough enough for the surf but shaped tall, tight and perky.
