I'd like to know what you all think of the all in one foil boards, like the Slingshot Shred Sled. Which all in one do you prefer and why?
Too small for lightwind windfoiling.
Too big for most wingfoiling.
Too uncomfortable for windsurfing.
Too small for SUP.
Too thick for tow/wake foil.
Too blocky for surfing.
Small Wizards are good for lightwind wingfoil and medium wind windfoil. Fun as a small wave pronefoil board and tiny wave bodyguard with a fin.
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I'd like to know what you all think of the all in one foil boards, like the Slingshot Shred Sled. Which all in one do you prefer and why?
Some work well for multiple uses, some don't. That one doesn't.
The only problem with the shredsled is that it only has winging strap inserts, they can work for windfoil, but windfoiling strapless may be the way to go. Otherwize it has the track in a position that works for windfoiling, some 2 in 1s have the track too far forwards making them hard to windfoil.
This guy is killing it on shredsled
I have used Fanatic Stubby Foil with SS Infinity 76 for over a year (then the board delaminated). First I have struggle to get a good trim, but after that it was my favorite setup for just cruising and having fun (I also have race setup with Starboard foil). Then I got Tabou Pocket Air 6.2 and again when I stand on it for the first time, I thought that I forgot how to foil. After 5 hours of trimming, I learnt to foil again :). I can jibe and duck jibe it, ride it up and downwind, but I miss the outbound straps (on the pic of Duck Jibe with Pocket can be seen how much my fron foot is extended because of inbound position of strap). So now (the board is again in warranty process), I'm thinking of adding them (if warranty would not be accepted). I have also tried JP Freestyle Wave 103 as All in One board with NP Glide PB foil, but it's little bit too much back foot orientated for my taste. I have seen new Patrik AiO boards and I'm hoping to get one to try. I have searched for a board that can be used as windsurf, windfoil and wingfoil board but haven't found one yet.
It depends on board. My RRD Pocket Rocket 180 Ltd works great for both wind and wing foiling. Never tried it for SUP foiling.
I have been riding the Shred Sled for windsurf foiling for seven months now.
I am going after a laid back surfing approach using big front wings and small sails. I sail in the ocean where my focus is on riding waves and in flat water where I work on maneuvers. The typical sea breeze here has 6-8 knot lulls with gusts in the mid teens so kinda light. Big sails, foot straps, high speeds and jumping are not my things these days. My personal preference is for boards with plenty of float that sail well in displacement mode without being any longer than needed. In this context I feel the board has some merit.
I am 100 kg so I like the volume. I actually wish there was more, particularly forward of the sail to help uphauling. The deck has subtle concaves and raised arch bars so it is well suited to strapless riding and the inserts are not usefull for windsurfing. Moving the foil off the very back end helps the low ridding mode. There is no need to step back to fly or forward to keep from sinking the tail in a lull you always stand close to foiling position.
I did notice the tail kick was holding me back when I rode small wings that required planning speed before takeoff. I almost sold the board at that point but I wanted to try something first, see the attached pics. It worked amazing! It improves take off with the bigger wings too. At this point I feel like the board is pretty close to the ideal board for my windfoiling needs. I may never wing or SUP foil it.
It's always a compromise for sure. I have a windfoil board that's 125L that's modified for winging. It's great for both pursuits, however, anyone who has done any winging knows that 125L gets big fast. Of course, I ended up supplementing it with an 85L board that's 18" shorter. Since windsport are pretty much my passion, like so maby people on here, it's one of the few things I do where I don't always want to compromise by riding equipment that's slightly less than ideal. Given that I windfoil when it's light, and wing when it's windy, the board does not seem too big for windfoiling. Had I not had the windfoil board I would likely have not gotten in to winging, so that's nice.
Nice mod UTC.
And to facprime's point, there will always be an adjustment period to new gear, and its also a way to progress/refine our skills.
Thanks for replying. I'm not really surprised by any of the replies. I know it would be next to impossible to make a board to all things well. However, I keep hoping it will happen. I don't know if I have a "style" of riding, but basically I go out and ride upwind, downwind and across the wind. I like to carve gentle turns and try to ride smaller waves too. My Levitator 160 works for me yet and I never have a boring time on it. My wingfoiling board sees MUCH less use. I struggle to find the time and conditions to use it and practice. I won't be trying to use it in wind under 20mph because I enjoy my Levitator so much. I'm to the point where I feel like selling the KT surfing Quatro wing drifter and both of my Slingshot V2's and just focus on windfoiling. I feel that if I had a board that did both disciplines pretty well, that I'd be more apt to wingfoil more, but the truth is I an more comfortable on the windfoil. That's why I keep eyeing the Shred Sled. I know the Shred Sled would not be great in light wind which is why I'd keep the Levitator. But when it gets above 16mph or so, I feel the Shred Sled would be more fun to carve and ride swell, even if I have to learn to ride strapless. Maybe I better wait and see if Slingshot or someone else does a 6'6" and 140-150 liter board that has both wing and wind foiling foot strap inserts.
Your levi 160 rocks and goes under appreciated in this make it a extreme sport enviroment! There is no wrong way to do it if you are having fun!
If the budget approves here are some thoughts:
To get going sooner/more often on your wing gear a bigger front foil wing may be in order regardless of your board. Wing foiling typically has the biggest foils after pump foiling. This incidenlty has made my wind surf foiling more fun for me in sub 20 knots. It also makes staying with and riding A small wave possible rather than taking a ONE turn on many waves it as you fly past them downwind. You still can pass them but you have the OPTION to RIDE them.
What about the starboard foil x? They have a 145l that has been calling to me from a windsurf foil perspective and it seems relavant as a beginer wing board too. It's high volume, crisp release, compact for the volume and has straps for both sports.
Good problems to have right?
I have a 7' shred sled on order for a couple of reasons. 1. To punch out through cross onshore dump and lightesh winds to wave wind foil.
2. SUP foil in 2-4ft when the wind shuts off completely.
Have a geez at Tez the owner/editor of Foil Shop/UK windsurfing who has been charging on it.
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Your levi 160 rocks and goes under appreciated in this make it a extreme sport enviroment! There is no wrong way to do it if you are having fun!
If the budget approves here are some thoughts:
To get going sooner/more often on your wing gear a bigger front foil wing may be in order regardless of your board. Wing foiling typically has the biggest foils after pump foiling. This incidenlty has made my wind surf foiling more fun for me in sub 20 knots. It also makes staying with and riding A small wave possible rather than taking a ONE turn on many waves it as you fly past them downwind. You still can pass them but you have the OPTION to RIDE them.
What about the starboard foil x? They have a 145l that has been calling to me from a windsurf foil perspective and it seems relavant as a beginer wing board too. It's high volume, crisp release, compact for the volume and has straps for both sports.
Good problems to have right?
I do get a lot of enjoyment out of the Levitator for sure! When I get a ride on a wave, I feel Ike I have to be constantly turning one way or the other because my forward foot is off center a bit. Maybe I just need to ride swell more to get used to that feeling.
I just looked at the Starboard Foil X 145, very interesting. I have MACkite looking into availability now.... I LOVE the 6'4" length but wonder about the 27-28" width for uphauling at my size. (6'4" and 225) I can't seem to water start yet.
I basically only use an i84 or if it's under 14mph max, I use the i99. I bought an i76 a few weeks back but haven't used it yet.
The sails I use are a 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0 and 7.0 Flyers and I just took delivery of a flyer 8.2.
IF I could stand up on my Hover 122, it would make a decent wing board for lighter wind that would crossover to windfoil.
I already SUP it in flat water, and have SUP wave and paddle surfed it with some success.
Hover has full rocker with channel.
Select to expand quoteexcav8ter said..utcminusfour said..
Your levi 160 rocks and goes under appreciated in this make it a extreme sport enviroment! There is no wrong way to do it if you are having fun!
If the budget approves here are some thoughts:
To get going sooner/more often on your wing gear a bigger front foil wing may be in order regardless of your board. Wing foiling typically has the biggest foils after pump foiling. This incidenlty has made my wind surf foiling more fun for me in sub 20 knots. It also makes staying with and riding A small wave possible rather than taking a ONE turn on many waves it as you fly past them downwind. You still can pass them but you have the OPTION to RIDE them.
What about the starboard foil x? They have a 145l that has been calling to me from a windsurf foil perspective and it seems relavant as a beginer wing board too. It's high volume, crisp release, compact for the volume and has straps for both sports.
Good problems to have right?
I do get a lot of enjoyment out of the Levitator for sure! When I get a ride on a wave, I feel Ike I have to be constantly turning one way or the other because my forward foot is off center a bit. Maybe I just need to ride swell more to get used to that feeling.
I just looked at the Starboard Foil X 145, very interesting. I have MACkite looking into availability now.... I LOVE the 6'4" length but wonder about the 27-28" width for uphauling at my size. (6'4" and 225) I can't seem to water start yet.
I basically only use an i84 or if it's under 14mph max, I use the i99. I bought an i76 a few weeks back but haven't used it yet.
The sails I use are a 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0 and 7.0 Flyers and I just took delivery of a flyer 8.2.
One nice thing that people overlook is the full EVA decking behind the mast on Slingshot boards. The Levitator for its width and volume for dudes above 220 lbs is really good. EVA decking, width and track is hard to beat on the Levi. I don't see a benefit of getting the Foil X. If you can water start and the volume isn't too small, the Wizard V3 at 114 liters is the wind/wing foil board I would get. I just prefer having volume if the wind dies or struggle to get back on the foil. Levi still wins.
Yeah, I see the good windfoilers use their Wiz/Lev and even Dialers very successfully with wings. No change in foil is needed.
Still trying to get up on my windfoil Hover 122.
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Select to expand quoteZeroVix said..excav8ter said..utcminusfour said..
Your levi 160 rocks and goes under appreciated in this make it a extreme sport enviroment! There is no wrong way to do it if you are having fun!
If the budget approves here are some thoughts:
To get going sooner/more often on your wing gear a bigger front foil wing may be in order regardless of your board. Wing foiling typically has the biggest foils after pump foiling. This incidenlty has made my wind surf foiling more fun for me in sub 20 knots. It also makes staying with and riding A small wave possible rather than taking a ONE turn on many waves it as you fly past them downwind. You still can pass them but you have the OPTION to RIDE them.
What about the starboard foil x? They have a 145l that has been calling to me from a windsurf foil perspective and it seems relavant as a beginer wing board too. It's high volume, crisp release, compact for the volume and has straps for both sports.
Good problems to have right?
I do get a lot of enjoyment out of the Levitator for sure! When I get a ride on a wave, I feel Ike I have to be constantly turning one way or the other because my forward foot is off center a bit. Maybe I just need to ride swell more to get used to that feeling.
I just looked at the Starboard Foil X 145, very interesting. I have MACkite looking into availability now.... I LOVE the 6'4" length but wonder about the 27-28" width for uphauling at my size. (6'4" and 225) I can't seem to water start yet.
I basically only use an i84 or if it's under 14mph max, I use the i99. I bought an i76 a few weeks back but haven't used it yet.
The sails I use are a 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0 and 7.0 Flyers and I just took delivery of a flyer 8.2.
One nice thing that people overlook is the full EVA decking behind the mast on Slingshot boards. The Levitator for its width and volume for dudes above 220 lbs is really good. EVA decking, width and track is hard to beat on the Levi. I don't see a benefit of getting the Foil X. If you can water start and the volume isn't too small, the Wizard V3 at 114 liters is the wind/wing foil board I would get. I just prefer having volume if the wind dies or struggle to get back on the foil. Levi still wins.
All good points! Maybe I should just go to a Levitator 150 (?) And use that for everything? I am kind of obsessed with having one board for everything. Along with that, I am wanting a board under 7 feet in length. I don't water start and probably won't at this point. The Levitator 150 is a small step down in size, but might be worth looking into....? I LOVE the overall feel and volume of the 160, especially if the wind dies.
One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
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IF I could stand up on my Hover 122, it would make a decent wing board for lighter wind that would crossover to windfoil.
I already SUP it in flat water, and have SUP wave and paddle surfed it with some success.
Hover has full rocker with channel.
If you are able ro SUP surf the Hover, I do not see why you are not able to stand on the board to Wingfoil. I use a diy 105l board and weigh 98kg. Most of the time I start on my knees, as it is much easier, but on a bigger board, grabbing the wing while standing is no issue. Plus the Hover is fairly big in length and width.
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One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
The biggest swell I've been in has been only about 6 feet max. With my size and weight I've been able to manage keeping the nose down fairly well. Definitely have to lean into it. Do you think it would be worth it to drop to a Levitator 150 and just see how I handle that? Maybe I'd end up using the 150 for everything.....
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One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
The biggest swell I've been in has been only about 6 feet max. With my size and weight I've been able to manage keeping the nose down fairly well. Definitely have to lean into it. Do you think it would be worth it to drop to a Levitator 150 and just see how I handle that? Maybe I'd end up using the 150 for everything.....
Yeah my guess is that you are ready to downsize and will probably use the levi for everything. Bigger dudes can hold down more foil with their front strap further from the mast, so you prob will be good in swell. And there is not reason why you cannot use the Levi 150 for a wingboard if you want to dabble. If you did get better at winging and wanted to pursue it more you could add a wingboard in the 120L range. So in some ways the levi 150 might be the best one board quiver for now as you are mostly sailfoilling.
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One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
The biggest swell I've been in has been only about 6 feet max. With my size and weight I've been able to manage keeping the nose down fairly well. Definitely have to lean into it. Do you think it would be worth it to drop to a Levitator 150 and just see how I handle that? Maybe I'd end up using the 150 for everything.....
Yeah my guess is that you are ready to downsize and will probably use the levi for everything. Bigger dudes can hold down more foil with their front strap further from the mast, so you prob will be good in swell. And there is not reason why you cannot use the Levi 150 for a wingboard if you want to dabble. If you did get better at winging and wanted to pursue it more you could add a wingboard in the 120L range. So in some ways the levi 150 might be the best one board quiver for now as you are mostly sailfoilling.
I am kind of hoping that's the case. I may still add the Slingshot Shred Sled and sell the KT wing drifter 6'x30" 130L. We'll see how the Levi 150 treats me first. I think I'm going to pick up a 3.0 Sailworks Revolution for high wind windfoiling too. Then I'd have the gamut covered with 3.0 and 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0, 7.0 and 8.2 Sailworks Flyers.
My hope was that wing foiling would be what I'd do above 20 mph, but so far I haven't had the time or conditions to put much time into it. And to be truthful, I like the feeling of windfoiling more than wingfoiling.
Select to expand quoteexcav8ter said..thedoor said..excav8ter said..thedoor said..
One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
The biggest swell I've been in has been only about 6 feet max. With my size and weight I've been able to manage keeping the nose down fairly well. Definitely have to lean into it. Do you think it would be worth it to drop to a Levitator 150 and just see how I handle that? Maybe I'd end up using the 150 for everything.....
Yeah my guess is that you are ready to downsize and will probably use the levi for everything. Bigger dudes can hold down more foil with their front strap further from the mast, so you prob will be good in swell. And there is not reason why you cannot use the Levi 150 for a wingboard if you want to dabble. If you did get better at winging and wanted to pursue it more you could add a wingboard in the 120L range. So in some ways the levi 150 might be the best one board quiver for now as you are mostly sailfoilling.
I am kind of hoping that's the case. I may still add the Slingshot Shred Sled and sell the KT wing drifter 6'x30" 130L. We'll see how the Levi 150 treats me first. I think I'm going to pick up a 3.0 Sailworks Revolution for high wind windfoiling too. Then I'd have the gamut covered with 3.0 and 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0, 7.0 and 8.2 Sailworks Flyers.
My hope was that wing foiling would be what I'd do above 20 mph, but so far I haven't had the time or conditions to put much time into it. And to be truthful, I like the feeling of windfoiling more than wingfoiling.
I keep forgetting you have that wing drifter. Let us know how the levi 150 works out
Select to expand quotethedoor said..excav8ter said..thedoor said..excav8ter said..thedoor said..
One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
The biggest swell I've been in has been only about 6 feet max. With my size and weight I've been able to manage keeping the nose down fairly well. Definitely have to lean into it. Do you think it would be worth it to drop to a Levitator 150 and just see how I handle that? Maybe I'd end up using the 150 for everything.....
Yeah my guess is that you are ready to downsize and will probably use the levi for everything. Bigger dudes can hold down more foil with their front strap further from the mast, so you prob will be good in swell. And there is not reason why you cannot use the Levi 150 for a wingboard if you want to dabble. If you did get better at winging and wanted to pursue it more you could add a wingboard in the 120L range. So in some ways the levi 150 might be the best one board quiver for now as you are mostly sailfoilling.
I am kind of hoping that's the case. I may still add the Slingshot Shred Sled and sell the KT wing drifter 6'x30" 130L. We'll see how the Levi 150 treats me first. I think I'm going to pick up a 3.0 Sailworks Revolution for high wind windfoiling too. Then I'd have the gamut covered with 3.0 and 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0, 7.0 and 8.2 Sailworks Flyers.
My hope was that wing foiling would be what I'd do above 20 mph, but so far I haven't had the time or conditions to put much time into it. And to be truthful, I like the feeling of windfoiling more than wingfoiling.
I keep forgetting you have that wing drifter. Let us know how the levi 150 works out
I definitely will. The Levi 150 is supposed to be here Friday.
I too tried winging and for now prefer windfoiling, I missed the efficient feeling and my balance isn't amazing. Plus wing gear doesn't seem to be durable at all.
That said I can see winging once those issues are sorted out.
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I too tried winging and for now prefer windfoiling, I missed the efficient feeling and my balance isn't amazing. Plus wing gear doesn't seem to be durable at all.
That said I can see winging once those issues are sorted out.
I bought my wingfoil board and two Slingwing V2's (6.4 and 4.4) because I thought I'd use them in heavier wind, but so far my wingfoiling has been in wind ranging from 25 to 40. Not the easiest to learn in. My balance is pretty good, bit there's just something about having the mast and boom to hold and leverage against.
Select to expand quotethedoor said..excav8ter said..thedoor said..excav8ter said..thedoor said..
One of the reasons I switched from the levi 150 to the Shredsled was the difficulty I had controlling the levi in swell. I need my front foot closer to the mast and more inboard to be able to use enough front foot force to push the board down the face of larger swell, but as a lightwind board you cannot beat the levi.
The biggest swell I've been in has been only about 6 feet max. With my size and weight I've been able to manage keeping the nose down fairly well. Definitely have to lean into it. Do you think it would be worth it to drop to a Levitator 150 and just see how I handle that? Maybe I'd end up using the 150 for everything.....
Yeah my guess is that you are ready to downsize and will probably use the levi for everything. Bigger dudes can hold down more foil with their front strap further from the mast, so you prob will be good in swell. And there is not reason why you cannot use the Levi 150 for a wingboard if you want to dabble. If you did get better at winging and wanted to pursue it more you could add a wingboard in the 120L range. So in some ways the levi 150 might be the best one board quiver for now as you are mostly sailfoilling.
I am kind of hoping that's the case. I may still add the Slingshot Shred Sled and sell the KT wing drifter 6'x30" 130L. We'll see how the Levi 150 treats me first. I think I'm going to pick up a 3.0 Sailworks Revolution for high wind windfoiling too. Then I'd have the gamut covered with 3.0 and 3.8 Sailworks Revolution, 4.8 Duotone Super session, 6.0, 7.0 and 8.2 Sailworks Flyers.
My hope was that wing foiling would be what I'd do above 20 mph, but so far I haven't had the time or conditions to put much time into it. And to be truthful, I like the feeling of windfoiling more than wingfoiling.
I keep forgetting you have that wing drifter. Let us know how the levi 150 works out
I just looked a bit more at the Wizard 130.... I didn't realize that it has footstrap inserts for BOTH windfoiling and wingfoiling. That's tempting too....
I'm way behind both of you, both wind and wing, and also balance challenged.
But everyone raves about breach control with wing over sail, and speed appears similar with same size foils.
Porpoising is my main challenge, mostly winds from 7-20 on the same run at the same spot, while windfoiling. About 4.2 sail.
The best guys wingfoiling here at Berkeley, mostly 150-175 lbs., all use hi aspect foils from 800 to 1000 sq cm, mostly 4 meter wings in 22 knot gusts, even with lulls under 10 knots.
I almost can't stay on windfoil in the lulls, and 22 knot winds, for me, requires a 3.9 sail.
So the wing journey continues, starting at the 2nd od 10 steps.....
