www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-05/woman-diver-dead-shark-attack-off-perth-suburb-of-mindarie/7479272
Just in on ABC News. No details yet. A woman off Mindarie.
RIP
How about we ease up on trying to come up with the best Seabreeze expletive and treat this tragedy with some respect and dignity?
Select to expand quotem00chy said..
How about Colin puts the drum lines out again?
How about stupid fu-ing sh-t post like this don't get posted. 
Retard
Select to expand quoteGreenroom said..
How about Colin puts the drums lines out again?
+1
Chinese kill millions of small harmless sharks every year by cutting their dorsal fin off and throwing it back in the ocean to slowly die.. But everyone loses their minds when drum lines are put out to stop great whites the size of boats from eating people..
Is the great white shark population at a point where a sustainable fishery can be put back in place to reduce numbers and make the water safer again?
It seems the time frame from when it was stopped is when we have had the start of the attacks along the coast. Maybe a measured fishing license? Not sure of the answer but surely we are at a point when we need to explore keeping numbers down around populated beachs at least.
So the dog that bights the person entering its yard gets destroyed.
People get taken by crocs and are hunted down.
The culling of kangaroos happens daily.
And no one bats an eyelid.
The house you live in, the oval you play your sports on was cleared for your living and entertainment purposes.
Protest down at Cott then go eat your fish and chips.
Wannabe self appointed shark experts that don't even dip their toes in the ocean pft.
The other day I asked 20 people at my local surf carpark if they would be ok if the shark numbers were reduced by fishing and guess what... all 20 said yes.
Just my opinion because I'm allowed to have one without being called a retard from a bigot.
Terrible news. Condolences to her friends and family.
So what can be done? Remove the great white shark from the endangered species list? More research? tagging? helicopter patrol during shark season (i.e., not summertime)? drone patrol? live satellite imagery smart technology? Train orcas to protect us?
"you're in their natural territory" - Its out territory too.
"they're the apex predator" - a newborn shark is no match for a 80kg southern bluefin tuna. More sharks are making it to maturity, and natural population control is missing due to overfishing.
"you know the risk when you enter the water"- no we don't, there is too much information missing to make an informed decision on risk.
Definitely need thinning out. Inshore bait supplies have been reduced drastically due to over-fishing (mostly commercial hauling), and the total ban on targeting GW sharks (amateur and pro angler) has seen their numbers spike in recent years. So, we have large predatory sharks that often feed right on the coastline, and we have heavily reduced inshore food supplies to sustain them. This is a very bad combo indeed...
My condolences to the family and friends of that poor woman.
Poor woman and the people that were with her. May she RIP
Lots of emotion, lots of passion and heaps of opinions, discussion with the crew i surf with sort 70/40 to managing sharks,70% saying dont, but i guess we see them a lot and people can get a bit complacent when you see them and they dont kill you?
Yes! What can Be Done? Something needs to happen. All excellent questions Nutdip and all worth considering and that’s exactly what the state government need to do, consider the “options”.
Now before the non-discript go on about shark hugging and environmentalist, greenie attacks because these some detail here you don’t like or don’t want to consider, or don’t want to consider, accept that this is coming from someone (Me) with a pretty solid back ground working with, training and an education in environmental science (particularly cetaceans) and my wife is a globally respected Marine Biologist who specialists in Orca (Killer Whales). OK that’s the disclaimer :) People will have opinions based on what they do or don't know, and i respect everyone's opinion until the slagging starts...then i just want stab those people in the jugular 100 times with a fork regardless of what side of the debate their on and id be doing my part managing the over population of the human species
Humans are a part of an ecosystem; we are animals, nothing more we have evolved as land animals. We are however animals that have an opposing thumb which has given us the capacity to make things, and those things have helped us hunt to survive and then as we have “Evolved” mentally to make mechanical devices so that we can move freely into other habitats that we by design can’t exist in naturally. We’re land animals — when we go in the water, everybody knows about it. The whole ecosystem responds, We need to recognize the ocean is this wild, dynamic ecosystem and when we enter into it, we’ve got to have a healthy respect for that environment.
So what can be Done? Well Colin would wipe out the sharks if he could, he wouldn’t hesitate to do that for you and god knows he has tried, the fact remains that he can’t. His hands are tied by , treaty , conventions, laws and all sorts of other things that are a political noose waiting to rip off his head if he tried.
Great Whites are a protected species. Technically they are classified as “Vulnerable” which is a sub classification of Endangered. Endangered has three categories put simply… ENDANGERED – Presumed going to be extinct soon THREATENED – Likely to be endangered soon VULNERABLE - This means that the population is not in a state where they could be considered a level that is remotely sustainable – this is where great Whites sit at the moment. It’s considered that there is a population of GW’s that are transient along the WA coast of about 750 +/-. Sounds like a lot but it’s not and certainly isn’t sustainable.
So if we look at that for a second and consider what some are calling sustainable fishing, well there isn’t an agency on the planet that believe that’s the case so with a little poetic license I’ll try and paint that picture. If we have 750 GW’s and the population of WA is 2.6 million and we all wanted to give them a fillet of GW …each shark would have to be cut into 3,466 bits, so you’re looking at something a lot smaller than a Fish Mc Nugget.
To make that population extinct in a 12 month period you would only have to catch 15 a week doing basic numbers but given cycles of life, breeding and factors you could half that and still see them extinct in less time, So in saying that what is sustainable fishing of GW’s? 1 per week?? Quite simple put, GW fishing at this stage is not sustainable but let’s just say one or two a week is a sustainable number and we allow that, do you think people will stop being killed as a result of Shark attacks? So, to truly make a difference you would have to cull them to extinction remove that risk and no one can die from a GW.
OK That’s done, Now imagine the natural predator of several species is taken out of the system and their populations explode, you can’t walk safely to the water’s edge without wrestling with seals and sea lions and and you can’t paddle through the schools of salmon in the surf. What if then Orcas start coming in closer exploring the options? Again this is being creative to paint the picture, but over time if not managed properly these are the types of things that can happen.
The reality is you get rid of one problem and you create another. To genuinely believe the reduction of the species will save lives is misguided and incorrect. As a rash generalization more than 20 people a year die in car or bike accidents as a result of hitting a tree in rural areas…but we don’t chop down the tree’s. I fact in Australia more than 400 people have died on our roads this year already and that’s something we have far more control over but seem less concerned about but any way I digress.
The fact remains that there are programs and processes that are available that are being used and are working in South Africa and other places around the world, the WA state government simply aren’t putting any effort into it. Those of you in NSW are fortunate as behind the scenes there’s a lot of consultation going on trying to come up with a solution, at least they are trying. We need to look at technology and systems to protect ocean users, ecological transformation will be ineffective people will still die, just from other species.
Yes something needs to be done, but we need to be careful about what that is.
That was a good read until you started going on about cars and trees, why do people feel the need to make stupid comparisons.
How do you know how many great whites there are of our coast, who is researching it and where did you get the figure 750 from. Was that a guess or a statement you made up and claim as fact.......
There is a lot more than 750 gws............
There is at least 500000 of them do not be delusional.
How many humpback whales?
The worldwide population is at least 80,000, with 18,000–20,000 in the North Pacific, about 12,000 in the North Atlantic and over 50,000 in the Southern Hemisphere, down from a prewhaling population of 125,000.
Blue whales?
Average lifespan is estimated at around 80 to 90 years. Between 10,000 and 25,000 blue whales are believed to still swim the world's oceans. Aggressive hunting in the 1900s by whalers seeking whale oil drove them to the brink of extinction. Between 1900 and the mid-1960s, some 360,000 blue whales were slaughtered.
Now there is another 20+ species of whales we could count numbers for , but for the sake of moving right along we will go to seals....
Parks & Wildlife Service - Seals
www.parks.tas.gov.au › ... › Mammals
Approximately 17 000 pups are born each year at both Tasmanian and Victorian breeding colonies and the total Australian fur seal population is estimated to be 60 000 to 80 000. Prior to the exploitation of the sealing industry there was an estimated 3/4 of a million seals in Bass Strait.
Select to expand quotePRAWNDOG said..
That was a good read until you started going on about cars and trees, why do people feel the need to make stupid comparisons.
How do you know how many great whites there are of our coast, who is researching it and where did you get the figure 750 from. Was that a guess or a statement you made up and claim as fact.......
Research figures available through UWA, James Cook University and Fisheries WA should be able to give you ball park figures and as mentioned thats +/- within about 3-5% variation on the outside. Truth is that data is the best we've got, so if we dont know exactly to take any more out would be silly, not that we are legally allowed to at this stage anyway, not until something changes.
obviously but anyone who has researched or even done statistics as a subject will understand how the data is captured, so no this **** isn't made up and pulled out of the nether regions of my lower torso posterior region.
Regardless my point was to put some thing out there for people to have a more educated review before they solidify their opinion one way or the other, i don't care if you are for or against anything, your opinions are yours, i just like to thing that people make decisions of good info as opposed to fear or emotion. I have studied and worked in areas where this is all relevant as pointed out, and just trying give give people more info and a different perspective
You will always get someone who will come out and say crazy **** like theres 500000 GW's and that's entertaining particularly when I've specifically referenced the West Coast. but im not going to enter into dialogue, i do a lot, Those with a phobia will not be swayed either way, so not worried about that lot, its those who are genuinely interested with an open mind that i put it out there for. They may still chose an opinion on the way forward that's different to mine, but at least they've thought about it.
Firstly apologies for my "expletive" above, however to respond in shock is a natural thing to do, I meant no disrespect...I do offer my condolences & feel for the family, friends & everyone effected by great white sharks.
That was very well written Surf69, quite impressive in fact. Only, a large weight is placed upon a figure of roughly 750 GWS visiting our coast from time to time & this is probably the most difficult issue when determining what needs to be done. The number of sharks there really are & what is a sustainable number if we lifted their protection & how would we go about managing that number sustainably.
I don't know how many GWS there are, I only know the 20+ years before 2000 was statistically safer than the 16 years after 2000. I believe this is the most important statistic.
People have mentioned things they feel have had an effect. Here are a few more things I consider have also contributed.
1978 - The last of the Australian whaling stations is closed down (Albany). While in operation there was always someone armed & ready to shoot sharks coming in to reduce the payload. Heaps of sharks were killed as a result. Also many whales. Whales have made a come back in numbers & are now travelling up the coast on their annual migration much closer than they did in the past bringing their entourage of sharks with them.
1996 - Martin Bryant shoots people in Port Arthur Tasmania. Government responds with a gun buy back program & tightening of gun regulation for Australia. I mention this because if you speak to people in the fishing industry. It was common to carry a gun on board your boat in case you felt threatened by a shark or one kept biting your fish in 1/2.
This could have had a two pronged effect on sharks. One obviously it reduced shark numbers & two, sharks behaviour was either altered by learning not to go near boats or the more curious natured sharks were shot. The old bloke down the road who was a commercial diver since the 50's & handed over his abalone biz to his sons in Augusta told me he noticed a change in behaviour after fisherman were no longer allowed to carry guns onboard their boats. Sharks used to generally race away from boats, but these days you get sharks circling boats a lot more than you did in the past.
1998 - GWS are protected.
Great White Shark Tourism has since become a thing people do with operators actively attracting sharks to their boats & people dropping down into the ocean in shark cages. Practises that attract sharks to boats & people. They should all be shut down in my opinion.
These are things I think have also contributed to shark numbers & behaviour.
And sorry, comparisons - That's a perspective thing, 400 people killed in Australia this year on what we control in a few months alone, no one cares enough to want to do something, 2 die in the wild and plenty of jumping up and down. i just find that a little hypocritical, but that just me, I've lobbied for Road safety for a long time.
I will clarify that no deaths are acceptable, especially those that could be prevented, something needs to be done, just do something that works and is worth doing.
Sorry to hear, horrible news about both losses of life..
hope none of there friends and family read this thread.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
Firstly apologies for my "expletive" above, however to respond in shock is a natural thing to do, I meant no disrespect...I do offer my condolences & feel for the family, friends & everyone effected by great white sharks.
That was very well written Surf69, quite impressive in fact. Only, a large weight is placed upon a figure of roughly 750 GWS visiting our coast from time to time & this is probably the most difficult issue when determining what needs to be done. The number of sharks there really are & what is a sustainable number if we lifted their protection & how would we go about managing that number sustainably.
I don't know how many GWS there are, I only know the 20+ years before 2000 was statistically safer than the 16 years after 2000. I believe this is the most important statistic.
People have mentioned things they feel have had an effect. Here are a few more things I consider have also contributed.
1978 - The last of the Australian whaling stations is closed down (Albany). While in operation there was always someone armed & ready to shoot sharks coming in to reduce the payload. Heaps of sharks were killed as a result. Also many whales. Whales have made a come back in numbers & are now travelling up the coast on their annual migration much closer than they did in the past bringing their entourage of sharks with them.
1996 - Martin Bryant shoots people in Port Arthur Tasmania. Government responds with a gun buy back program & tightening of gun regulation for Australia. I mention this because if you speak to people in the fishing industry. It was common to carry a gun on board your boat in case you felt threatened by a shark or one kept biting your fish in 1/2.
This could have had a two pronged effect on sharks. One obviously it reduced shark numbers & two, sharks behaviour was either altered by learning not to go near boats or the more curious natured sharks were shot. The old bloke down the road who was a commercial diver since the 50's & handed over his abalone biz to his sons in Augusta told me he noticed a change in behaviour after fisherman were no longer allowed to carry guns onboard their boats. Sharks used to generally race away from boats, but these days you get sharks circling boats a lot more than you did in the past.
1998 - GWS are protected.
Great White Shark Tourism has since become a thing people do with operators actively attracting sharks to their boats & people dropping down into the ocean in shark cages. Practises that attract sharks to boats & people. They should all be shut down in my opinion.
These are things I think have also contributed to shark numbers & behaviour.
Yep Mick, all valid points that could have an effect, especially the weight that is placed on the estimated population and whales increase in population. Firm that up and we have a much better idea, are there more or less? If more, how many? If its proven there's more than what is projected in the Data bureaucrats use, then there's the opportunity to review the current protection status etc etc. its highly relevant.
RE: the guns, perhaps.. but i can assure you guns are still on the fishing boats down our way, more so for seals, but for anything wrecking expensive nets, or putting fisho's at risk if they pull it up. Just different guns that we we are allowed to have. As a shooter i didn't agree with that law change at the time, not sure if it has made a difference, but it may have?
But as i said, all really relevant and all part of the info to be considered moving forward. Thanks for thinking!
Select to expand quoteSurf69 said..PRAWNDOG said..
That was a good read until you started going on about cars and trees, why do people feel the need to make stupid comparisons.
How do you know how many great whites there are of our coast, who is researching it and where did you get the figure 750 from. Was that a guess or a statement you made up and claim as fact.......
Research figures available through UWA, James Cook University and Fisheries WA should be able to give you ball park figures and as mentioned thats +/- within about 3-5% variation on the outside. Truth is that data is the best we've got, so if we dont know exactly to take any more out would be silly, not that we are legally allowed to at this stage anyway, not until something changes.
obviously but anyone who has researched or even done statistics as a subject will understand how the data is captured, so no this **** isn't made up and pulled out of the nether regions of my lower torso posterior region.
Regardless my point was to put some thing out there for people to have a more educated review before they solidify their opinion one way or the other, i don't care if you are for or against anything, your opinions are yours, i just like to thing that people make decisions of good info as opposed to fear or emotion. I have studied and worked in areas where this is all relevant as pointed out, and just trying give give people more info and a different perspective
You will always get someone who will come out and say crazy **** like theres 500000 GW's and that's entertaining particularly when I've specifically referenced the West Coast. but im not going to enter into dialogue, i do a lot, Those with a phobia will not be swayed either way, so not worried about that lot, its those who are genuinely interested with an open mind that i put it out there for. They may still chose an opinion on the way forward that's different to mine, but at least they've thought about it.
Some good info and viewpoints surf69, I have done alot of reading of info on populations of GW over the last four years, and my understanding was that we didn't have anywhere near this much of an accurate idea of numbers as you mention? Do you have any links etc to show the research? As far as I know the numbers are only really studied in depth when there is a commercial interest in the species thus the GW has little data?
Thanks JBshack for the pedictable abuse, I was counting on at least one. Noticed alot of others came after that inital comment with a similar point of view to mine. Don't know your age but I remember before the internet gave poeple an ideal platform for risk-free abuse of others, the walls of toilet cubicles in any bar were filled to the brim with aggressive and abusive comments, done with a pen while in a safe and protected environment, where no one could harm you. I never wrote on a toilet wall, and I will never stoop to the level of abusing anyone on line.
749 GWS now lol
But yes agree something needs to be done and all options considered . I get the feeling our government doesn't really care.
Select to expand quoteSupfreak said..
749 GWS now lol
But yes agree something needs to be done and all options considered . I get the feeling our government doesn't really care.
Poor woman I just hope she didn't see it coming, would have been terrifying.
Select to expand quoteSupfreak said..
749 GWS now lol
But yes agree something needs to be done and all options considered . I get the feeling our government doesn't really care.
I'm not sure any politician would want to touch this subject. Its a lose-lose situation for the government. Actually for everyone.
Hi all,
My sympathy goes to all the families that have lost loved ones from interaction with Great Whites.
I have a few mates that have met their fate this way including Benny G, who lost his ife the other day.
We all share a passion for the ocean in different ways.
I have been an X pro diver and have come face to face with many big sharks including a close visit by a Great White. A humbling experience so majestic! Yet sending my adrenaline rushing through my veins.
It's my opinion only and those that disagree I will respect,
As individual s we enter the unknown ocean!
Things go great things can go drastically wrong.
So what can you do!
I have no association with Shark Sheild co, With the exception of being a customer.
I have had arguments with other Surfers because I chose too where a Surf Shark Sheild.
To me this is a cheap life protecting policy.
Surfers have said they will stick near me because I use one.
But their is a stigma amongst surfers about using them.
I feel sorry for those guys!
Those that are **** scared about the potential of a shark bite, how much will you pay for your life?
Chances are everyone reading this will live for ever!
Hope you do!
The others that give a thought about their girlfriend, wife, kids mum or dad.
At least check out Shark S new Surf version.
As I said when I Surf I care about the people around me, I am not here to plug a company.
If one person reads this and gets one if it saves their life from a White attack my post will be worth EVERY BIT OF THE BULL**** criticism I may receive.
Swollow your pride!
I would hate to be having to drag a critic out of the water dead or alive!
RIP Benny G, Surf eternity forever!
Col.D
madness
