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Created by Macaha > 9 months ago, 27 Jul 2015
thePup
13831 posts
4 Aug 2015 11:55AM
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Bang farken Bang fish n chips BEFORE one of our little grommets gets taken !!!!

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 12:16PM
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Tux said..


jbshack said..



Tux said..
What about just taking them of the endangered list and setting a real low bag limit and strict sizing

i.e 1 per day over 6 foot and your golden

This would reduce the larger more predatory ones at least.....





Tux did you see a guy was attacked in Vic last week. A bronze whaler.. So were do you stop unless you kill them all..

The point is still the same, cull a thousand sharks and your in the water one day, a shark swims up to bite you, how has that cull helped you at that one moment

We need to think smarter and beyond the simple methods. These large sharks swim up and down the coast from South Australia. Drum lines and nets have been used up and down the coast for decades and yet the problem is increasing. The argument that "This beach has nets/drums and has no attacks" is really irrational as the sharks swim hundreds of kms weekly. So what you kill today will be replaced by another tomorrow. No nets and drums in Vic yet how many attacks, these sharks all swim through the waters.

As for price, well i guess its what price is your health worth.. IN WA our state government has spent $20 million dollars on this issue for what

A set of fins is $160, its a cheap price for some safety..IN the future when Katana get more support, anything will be possible.




Bro I never mentioned the species I just said you can catch whetever you want over 6 foot

I understand what your saying and ideally I would like to see a live and let live policy but the toothy buggers ain't listening

the correlation between GWS maturation times, the ban on killing them and teh number of attacks cannot be conincidence



Tux the only people who are saying the rise in attacks is due to a rise in the number sharks due to over protection, are journos or people who want them killed. You simply won't find anyone with any level of scientific knowledge or a marine degree that supports that argument. For that matter you won't find one that says that culling sharks will reduce attacks. So why would we not listen to the educated in this case, who all says its the wrong thing to do

If people are sick do they turn to a journalist selling a headline for a cure Well maybe a few might but why would we not listen to the experts on this one..

Oh and Lacey how do you know if a shark is hanging around in a area? seriously one that is spotted today compared to one spotted the next day, how can you tell the difference..

SP
10982 posts
4 Aug 2015 12:24PM
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Each post gets better, less facts, more contradictions of your own position, misrepresentation and just plain lies...

The Csiro scientist are saying their is a population increase..

Therefore if attacks have increased at the same time as the population of Whites in that area then I say...

Potato...

Fark this is funny... Your posts are so confused...

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
4 Aug 2015 2:33PM
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Still a crap thread imo

SP
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4 Aug 2015 12:38PM
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Macaha said...
Still a crap thread imo


Agreed..
Whoever started it needs a kick in the nuts..



thePup
13831 posts
4 Aug 2015 12:43PM
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mmmmmmmmmmmmm ...... Roasted Murphy's

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
4 Aug 2015 2:46PM
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SP said..


Macaha said...
Still a crap thread imo




Agreed..
Whoever started it needs a kick in the nuts..






I'm going to kick Chrispy in the nuts next time I see him,I'll get one in for you too SP

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 1:01PM
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SP said..
Each post gets better, less facts, more contradictions of your own position, misrepresentation and just plain lies...

The Csiro scientist are saying their is a population increase..

Therefore if attacks have increased at the same time as the population of Whites in that area then I say...

Potato...

Fark this is funny... Your posts are so confused...


Can you show me were a CSIRO scientist has said that an increase in attacks is due to a shark population increase and we should start culling more

I highlighted the line you tried to miss quote What is a joke is the lack of ability to play the issue.



SP
10982 posts
4 Aug 2015 1:49PM
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I didn't misquote anything unlike you I passed comprehension.....

Nice edit???


Does Katana pay you to be his expert??

And that link is here...

www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAYQjB1qFQoTCN_f6JLajscCFWY8pgodOBcCjg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dumpaday.com%2Ffunny-pictures%2Ffunny-pictures-of-the-day-61-pics-2%2Fattachment%2Fshark-week-funny-pictures%2F&ei=zE7AVd_JB-b4mAW4rojwCA&bvm=bv.99261572,d.dGY&psig=AFQjCNE-ZhEcXTip7G7wcmM0KGk6KB2BeA&ust=1438752816266485


And the joke is on you and your inability to understand basic information and act like an adult when discussing the issue..

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
4 Aug 2015 4:06PM
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OK I may has a solution to the attacks.

Surfing have become popular over the past 40 years,so cull all surfers born after 1975. there should slow down the death rate.

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
4 Aug 2015 4:12PM
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I hereby call that 6.5 sharks must go in 2015 oh fk it may as well put the .5 out of its misery make that 7

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 2:46PM
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I was surprised by the comment in this post below talking about NSW and netting.
In fact, approximately 63% of shark incidents at ocean beaches in New South Wales have occurred at netted beaches.

http://www.seashepherd.org.au/apex-harmony/overview/new-south-wales.html

SO i started to read this
www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/276029/Report-into-the-NSW-Shark-Meshing-Program.pdf

It is from 2009 but its the report on the netting program in NSW. I was very surprised to see that the above quote to be very possibly true. Who would have thought

Although slightly out of context as it seems Wobbegongs are rather aggressive. The pages of interest that talk about attacks and beaches that are netted is from page 27 to 35..



At face value, those increases could incorrectly be construed as an increase in the number of sharks, and/or the rate of attacks. However, such conclusions are not supported by either: international statistics on attacks; the declining catch numbers and rates of the SMP (Figure 10, Tables 12 and 13); decreasing commercial catches in NSW up to 2005 (DPI 2006b); decreasing numbers of sharks and rays in trawl grounds off the NSW coast (Graham et al. 2001); or the increasing resident and visitor population of NSW, which for the sake of this analysis will be used as a surrogate for beach visitors. The inherent assumptions in the following analysis are that: the SMP has continued to catch the same proportion of the population of sharks; and that beach users also represent a consistent proportion of the population over time. Accepting those limitations, the relatively small increase in the number of shark attacks since 1900 is somewhat in contrast to the increasing population of NSW, the Sydney region in particular, and the increased amount and variety of recreation focussed in coastal waters. The estimated resident population of NSW has risen from 1.4 million in 1901, to in excess of 6.9 million at June 2008 (preliminary estimate - ABS 2008). Add to that approximately 2.8 million international overnight visitors and 24 million domestic overnight visitors to NSW each year, more than 10 million of which stay in Sydney (TRA 2008). On the basis of resident population alone, and all other things being equal, one would expect there to be a corresponding five-fold increase in the number of attacks over that time period. On the contrary, there has been a relatively small increase (<30%) in attacks relative to those population increases over the longer term, which coupled with decreasing catches in the SMP, suggests that there are relatively fewer sharks in coastal waters of NSW than there were in the early to mid 1900s. The relatively small increase in the number of attacks could be due to a variety of interacting factors, including but not limited to: a decrease in shark numbers; an improvement in waste and effluent treatment and disposal, the poor state of which is thought to have contributed to abnormally high numbers of sharks in the 1920 and 1930s (Paxton 2006); changes in bathing patterns; and/or increased awareness. Although as previously stated there are no data about beach usage, the relatively high annual rate of more than five attacks per year since 2000 suggests that this period is more reflective of the anecdotally high numbers of people that use coastal waters. This limited qualitative analysis suggests that the risk of shark attack, particularly a fatal one, on ocean beaches is extremely low.

SP
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4 Aug 2015 2:56PM
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hahahahaha.

The expert has never read the research. ...



JBs posts/.......

Blah Blah,

Bullshizz
Paraphrase
Misinterpret
Make something up.


Shark post done..


Why are you posting in a LB forum if you have no interest in LB. Are we just some more people you can shout your opinion at ???

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 2:57PM
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Macaha said..
I hereby call that 6.5 sharks must go in 2015 oh fk it may as well put the .5 out of its misery make that 7

Mac in this report it on page 17 shows catch data for the 18 years prio to 2009. They only caught 100 Great Whites in total.. With 51 beaches netted.. Not to mention all the other animals. Good knows how much that works out at total cost per Great White..Its also worth noting that they have nets nearby a known Great White nursery.

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/276029/Report-into-the-NSW-Shark-Meshing-Program.pdf


SP
10982 posts
4 Aug 2015 3:00PM
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More contradiction.....


But you just go back and edit....

How come you aren't using the up to date research?

The period from 2009 is the important bit....

But i guess you knew that and hence picked a date to suit...



People have posted that numerous times before and you never read it, now you are passing it off as great research.......


jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 3:05PM
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SP said..
hahahahaha.

The expert has never read the research. ...



JBs posts/.......

Blah Blah,

Bullshizz
Paraphrase
Misinterpret
Make something up.


Shark post done..


Why are you posting in a LB forum if you have no interest in LB. Are we just some more people you can shout your opinion at ???



Sorry i had no idea you owned the site
Go read the report and remind yourself how good your nets work

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 3:11PM
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SP said..
More contradiction.....


But you just go back and edit....

How come you aren't using the up to date research?

The period from 2009 is the important bit....

But i guess you knew that and hence picked a date to suit...



People have posted that numerous times before and you never read it, now you are passing it off as great research.......



The only edit i did to my post was to highlight the part you read wrong. That i posted to someone else by the way, you just chose to but in as you so often do..

The reason i used the "Report into the NSW Shark Meshing (Bather Protection) Program" Dated March 2009 as its was the first one i found, but it does say in their (If you read it) it would be re addressed very 5 years, but i can't find the up to date one. I will keep looking though.

Im sorry if you don't think that report as being a fair representation of the Shark Meshing issues in NSW. From the get go i said it was from 2009 so i can't see how i've been misrepresenting it either.

A EDIT for SP: Here is the 2013 one.

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/357438/nsw-shark-meshing-prgram.pdf

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
4 Aug 2015 5:15PM
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SP
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4 Aug 2015 3:40PM
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jbshack
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4 Aug 2015 3:58PM
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No argument, you've said there was changes, I'm keen to know what they are as you must be aware of something I'm not. So please feel free to share what the differences were going forward from 2009

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Aug 2015 6:10PM
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jbshack said...
Tux said..


jbshack said..



Tux said..
What about just taking them of the endangered list and setting a real low bag limit and strict sizing

i.e 1 per day over 6 foot and your golden

This would reduce the larger more predatory ones at least.....





Tux did you see a guy was attacked in Vic last week. A bronze whaler.. So were do you stop unless you kill them all..

The point is still the same, cull a thousand sharks and your in the water one day, a shark swims up to bite you, how has that cull helped you at that one moment

We need to think smarter and beyond the simple methods. These large sharks swim up and down the coast from South Australia. Drum lines and nets have been used up and down the coast for decades and yet the problem is increasing. The argument that "This beach has nets/drums and has no attacks" is really irrational as the sharks swim hundreds of kms weekly. So what you kill today will be replaced by another tomorrow. No nets and drums in Vic yet how many attacks, these sharks all swim through the waters.

As for price, well i guess its what price is your health worth.. IN WA our state government has spent $20 million dollars on this issue for what

A set of fins is $160, its a cheap price for some safety..IN the future when Katana get more support, anything will be possible.




Bro I never mentioned the species I just said you can catch whetever you want over 6 foot

I understand what your saying and ideally I would like to see a live and let live policy but the toothy buggers ain't listening

the correlation between GWS maturation times, the ban on killing them and teh number of attacks cannot be conincidence



Tux the only people who are saying the rise in attacks is due to a rise in the number sharks due to over protection, are journos or people who want them killed. You simply won't find anyone with any level of scientific knowledge or a marine degree that supports that argument. For that matter you won't find one that says that culling sharks will reduce attacks. So why would we not listen to the educated in this case, who all says its the wrong thing to do

If people are sick do they turn to a journalist selling a headline for a cure Well maybe a few might but why would we not listen to the experts on this one..

Oh and Lacey how do you know if a shark is hanging around in a area? seriously one that is spotted today compared to one spotted the next day, how can you tell the difference..


I would known't how mate I dont study or catch. Drum and net. Tag them. But I reckon those guys would know how to pick a certain shark out.. especially a big sucker that been hanging around.

geez things are worse then you and me thought if there's more than one hanging for some human snack time

If they couldnt even do that who is going to listen to them.

Mate your in denial if you can't see a increase in activity.

What load of hogwash. Very very small tiny chance of attack but hey we are going to close the beaches

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 4:49PM
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laceys lane said..

jbshack said...

Tux said..



jbshack said..




Tux said..
What about just taking them of the endangered list and setting a real low bag limit and strict sizing

i.e 1 per day over 6 foot and your golden

This would reduce the larger more predatory ones at least.....






Tux did you see a guy was attacked in Vic last week. A bronze whaler.. So were do you stop unless you kill them all..

The point is still the same, cull a thousand sharks and your in the water one day, a shark swims up to bite you, how has that cull helped you at that one moment

We need to think smarter and beyond the simple methods. These large sharks swim up and down the coast from South Australia. Drum lines and nets have been used up and down the coast for decades and yet the problem is increasing. The argument that "This beach has nets/drums and has no attacks" is really irrational as the sharks swim hundreds of kms weekly. So what you kill today will be replaced by another tomorrow. No nets and drums in Vic yet how many attacks, these sharks all swim through the waters.

As for price, well i guess its what price is your health worth.. IN WA our state government has spent $20 million dollars on this issue for what

A set of fins is $160, its a cheap price for some safety..IN the future when Katana get more support, anything will be possible.





Bro I never mentioned the species I just said you can catch whetever you want over 6 foot

I understand what your saying and ideally I would like to see a live and let live policy but the toothy buggers ain't listening

the correlation between GWS maturation times, the ban on killing them and teh number of attacks cannot be conincidence




Tux the only people who are saying the rise in attacks is due to a rise in the number sharks due to over protection, are journos or people who want them killed. You simply won't find anyone with any level of scientific knowledge or a marine degree that supports that argument. For that matter you won't find one that says that culling sharks will reduce attacks. So why would we not listen to the educated in this case, who all says its the wrong thing to do

If people are sick do they turn to a journalist selling a headline for a cure Well maybe a few might but why would we not listen to the experts on this one..

Oh and Lacey how do you know if a shark is hanging around in a area? seriously one that is spotted today compared to one spotted the next day, how can you tell the difference..



I would known't how mate I dont study or catch. Drum and net. Tag them. But I reckon those guys would know how to pick a certain shark out.. especially a big sucker that been hanging around.

geez things are worse then you and me thought if there's more than one hanging for some human snack time

If they couldnt even do that who is going to listen to them.

Mate your in denial if you can't see a increase in activity.

What load of hogwash. Very very small tiny chance of attack but hey we are going to close the beaches


Im not in denial Lacey, i agree there is a increase in activity. No argument their. BUT why is the reason and what to do about protection/solution thats the argument.
Last week in Ballina on one day 4 large sharks were sighted at the same time from the chopper.

Im also not claiming to be an expert, the reason i question people like yourself and Mac is I'm curious to know why you feel the way you do, when all the experts say drums and nets won't make any difference to attack incidents. Thats all.. Id prefer money to be spent in areas will It ACTUALLY will make a difference.

Please note though that a "Increase In activity" is not necessarily the same as a "Population explosion".. There is not hundreds of more shark in the ocean, but there is IMHO hundreds or more sharks close to shore, all over the world for that matter..

NewScotty
2350 posts
4 Aug 2015 5:06PM
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My take on this.
JB comes across as a decent bloke who is passionate about the survival of sharks and some of us may not agree with his views. Let's not get personal in our posts.
Btw JB your posts are way too long for me to read due to my (lack of) attention span. 50 words or less or break up your essays into smaller paragraphs.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Aug 2015 7:09PM
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jbshack said..

laceys lane said..


jbshack said...


Tux said..




jbshack said..





Tux said..
What about just taking them of the endangered list and setting a real low bag limit and strict sizing

i.e 1 per day over 6 foot and your golden

This would reduce the larger more predatory ones at least.....







Tux did you see a guy was attacked in Vic last week. A bronze whaler.. So were do you stop unless you kill them all..

The point is still the same, cull a thousand sharks and your in the water one day, a shark swims up to bite you, how has that cull helped you at that one moment

We need to think smarter and beyond the simple methods. These large sharks swim up and down the coast from South Australia. Drum lines and nets have been used up and down the coast for decades and yet the problem is increasing. The argument that "This beach has nets/drums and has no attacks" is really irrational as the sharks swim hundreds of kms weekly. So what you kill today will be replaced by another tomorrow. No nets and drums in Vic yet how many attacks, these sharks all swim through the waters.

As for price, well i guess its what price is your health worth.. IN WA our state government has spent $20 million dollars on this issue for what

A set of fins is $160, its a cheap price for some safety..IN the future when Katana get more support, anything will be possible.






Bro I never mentioned the species I just said you can catch whetever you want over 6 foot

I understand what your saying and ideally I would like to see a live and let live policy but the toothy buggers ain't listening

the correlation between GWS maturation times, the ban on killing them and teh number of attacks cannot be conincidence





Tux the only people who are saying the rise in attacks is due to a rise in the number sharks due to over protection, are journos or people who want them killed. You simply won't find anyone with any level of scientific knowledge or a marine degree that supports that argument. For that matter you won't find one that says that culling sharks will reduce attacks. So why would we not listen to the educated in this case, who all says its the wrong thing to do

If people are sick do they turn to a journalist selling a headline for a cure Well maybe a few might but why would we not listen to the experts on this one..

Oh and Lacey how do you know if a shark is hanging around in a area? seriously one that is spotted today compared to one spotted the next day, how can you tell the difference..




I would known't how mate I dont study or catch. Drum and net. Tag them. But I reckon those guys would know how to pick a certain shark out.. especially a big sucker that been hanging around.

geez things are worse then you and me thought if there's more than one hanging for some human snack time

If they couldnt even do that who is going to listen to them.

Mate your in denial if you can't see a increase in activity.

What load of hogwash. Very very small tiny chance of attack but hey we are going to close the beaches



Im not in denial Lacey, i agree there is a increase in activity. No argument their. BUT why is the reason and what to do about protection/solution thats the argument.
Last week in Ballina on one day 4 large sharks were sighted at the same time from the chopper.

Im also not claiming to be an expert, the reason i question people like yourself and Mac is I'm curious to know why you feel the way you do, when all the experts say drums and nets won't make any difference to attack incidents. Thats all.. Id prefer money to be spent in areas will It ACTUALLY will make a difference.

Please note though that a "Increase In activity" is not necessarily the same as a "Population explosion".. There is not hundreds of more shark in the ocean, but there is IMHO hundreds or more sharks close to shore, all over the world for that matter..


yes, why are they coming in is the big question.


I still think its hard to argue with the qld program stats.


anyway im just going to see what they have to say to a replyed pm about a shark shield for my ocean dc 17.4.

its the one board im more likely to be out there the longest on

thePup
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4 Aug 2015 5:14PM
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NewScotty said..
My take on this.
JB comes across as a decent bloke who is passionate about the survival of sharks and some of us may not agree with his views. Let's not get personal in our posts.
Btw JB your posts are way too long for me to read due to my (lack of) attention span. 50 words or less or break up your essays into smaller paragraphs.


Bang Farken Bang ...... there's 3

Macaha
QLD, 21976 posts
4 Aug 2015 7:17PM
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NewScotty said..
My take on this.
JB comes across as a decent bloke who is passionate about the survival of sharks and some of us may not agree with his views. Let's not get personal in our posts.
Btw JB your posts are way too long for me to read due to my (lack of) attention span. 50 words or less or break up your essays into smaller paragraphs.



Yeah well said Scotty.


JB, I'm not suggesting a cull but that area needs to lose a couple how rouge sharks.


Lacey who knows why they are coming in,over fishing maybe but a short term solution is to take care of a couple.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 5:23PM
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NewScotty said..
My take on this.
JB comes across as a decent bloke who is passionate about the survival of sharks and some of us may not agree with his views. Let's not get personal in our posts.
Btw JB your posts are way too long for me to read due to my (lack of) attention span. 50 words or less or break up your essays into smaller paragraphs.



Thanks but i understand people get upset. I have no issue with people being nasty if thats there answer, although it detracts from discussion but it usually shows what they have to offer going forward. Anyway i should also point out I'm actually not all that passionate about sharks as a rule. TBH if the educated world was saying lets kill them its not a problem then id be all over it, but i'm yet to find anyone other than a journo, or maybe a politician who holds that point of view.

Lacey as i posted the word is that sharks are coming in close for food. Simply they are hungry, thanks to over fishing of the worlds oceans..Luckily we are not on the desired menu of sharks, but if something doesn't change, maybe we may be..

In WA they helped fix the shark problem by getting people to stop talking about the issue. Until the next attack but currently local authorities are using the "Cross your fingers" method of management..

MickPC
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4 Aug 2015 5:28PM
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thePup said..

NewScotty said..
My take on this.
JB comes across as a decent bloke who is passionate about the survival of sharks and some of us may not agree with his views. Let's not get personal in our posts.
Btw JB your posts are way too long for me to read due to my (lack of) attention span. 50 words or less or break up your essays into smaller paragraphs.



Bang Farken Bang ...... there's 3


+1

Protect us from those we need protection from. Spot 'em, they're hanging around populated areas, they're over a certain size = bang, shotty to the head...

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Aug 2015 7:29PM
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sorry guys chrispy and cobra but you both go to hard imo and im betting most of us are uncomfortable with it.


I know your good guys and I know you love a good argument

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
4 Aug 2015 5:33PM
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Macaha said..

NewScotty said..
My take on this.
JB comes across as a decent bloke who is passionate about the survival of sharks and some of us may not agree with his views. Let's not get personal in our posts.
Btw JB your posts are way too long for me to read due to my (lack of) attention span. 50 words or less or break up your essays into smaller paragraphs.




Yeah well said Scotty.


JB, I'm not suggesting a cull but that area needs to lose a couple how rouge sharks.


Lacey who knows why they are coming in,over fishing maybe but a short term solution is to take care of a couple.


Mac, i don't understand when you say your not suggesting a cull. Especially when on the East coast of Australia primary NSW and QLD they already cull sharks. They have done for years/decades so how will killing a couple more make any difference

The only other option than what your already doing (Culling sharks) is to increase the effort. But how much can the ocean sustain, especially when you take into effect the by catch (nets especially) killed inderscrdimantly. In the NSW stats above for the 100 great whites i think there was actually around 1300 other large dead animals..Have you ever considered that the additional by catch kill could be making the situation worse, by removing even more food for the large sharks swimming and down the coast



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