Select to expand quoteobct said..
I called and asked him the same question before posting, he honestly can't remember.
Let's just say he made it, he a good guy who I've known for 6 decades
Vanders would have made that drop at A on his 12 footer.
Select to expand quoteobct said..
I called and asked him the same question before posting, he honestly can't remember.
Let's just say he made it, he a good guy who I've known for 6 decades
Sometimes the dream and the reality can morph into something greater than either alone.
And that is just fine. 
Select to expand quotesaltyheaven said..
www.swellnet.com/news/depth-test/2019/03/19/ride-free-flight-edge-board
Interesting article and discussion on the Edge concept...
"In the book On The Edge Of A Dream, Kidman makes a bold prediction: "I believe that in the future every surfer on the planet will have some kind of Edge element at play in what they are riding." Not a statement I subscribe too, but after my first few surfs I understood his enthusiasm. Two decades of concaves don't prepare you for the liberation of having a centre line lower than the rail. I've never been a fan of hulls, but they provide the best comparison: a sense of being in the water rather than continually skipping over it."
"Think a board that paddles like an 11'0' but turns on the face like an 8'0". The future is unwritten."
Personally i'm a fan of new theory in board design whilst also looking at the history and heritage of those older shapers. In this case, with the Edge, it's origins are originally Greenough but then Andreini who has taken the concept and continued to apply and modify and refine over many many years... I'm keen too add one to the quiver oneday but one project at a time I think...
Anyways, It's why i'm such a fan of Lovelace and Andreini, they take those old design concepts and integrate modern ideas to make a board thats more functional, more attainable and more fun... To make boards that the rider LOVES to ride rather than a board that you look cool on the wave or walking down the beach (likely because I will never look cool on the wave or walking down the beach) 
Select to expand quoteAndyrooMac said..saltyheaven said..
www.swellnet.com/news/depth-test/2019/03/19/ride-free-flight-edge-board
Interesting article and discussion on the Edge concept...
"In the book On The Edge Of A Dream, Kidman makes a bold prediction: "I believe that in the future every surfer on the planet will have some kind of Edge element at play in what they are riding." Not a statement I subscribe too, but after my first few surfs I understood his enthusiasm. Two decades of concaves don't prepare you for the liberation of having a centre line lower than the rail. I've never been a fan of hulls, but they provide the best comparison: a sense of being in the water rather than continually skipping over it."
"Think a board that paddles like an 11'0' but turns on the face like an 8'0". The future is unwritten."
Personally i'm a fan of new theory in board design whilst also looking at the history and heritage of those older shapers. In this case, with the Edge, it's origins are originally Greenough but then Andreini who has taken the concept and continued to apply and modify and refine over many many years... I'm keen too add one to the quiver oneday but one project at a time I think...
Anyways, It's why i'm such a fan of Lovelace and Andreini, they take those old design concepts and integrate modern ideas to make a board thats more functional, more attainable and more fun... To make boards that the rider LOVES to ride rather than a board that you look cool on the wave or walking down the beach (likely because I will never look cool on the wave or walking down the beach)
I came across that clip the other day before the edge board review on Swellnet and had already come across the paddle fin discussion on Surfer mag forum.
Watching that clip I thought 'wow, what a turd.'
However that board is also very different from the much lower volume board Ellis is riding and the Freeflight boards Phil Myers is showing on his Facebook page.
I've in the past happily been an early adopter of various wacky and unconventional surfboard designs...right back to when I lived at Bondi to go to Uni and my mate and I saw Cheyne Horan ripping on his lazor zap and thought to ourselves, 'yeah, we've got to order one of these.' The resulting surfing by us was less than stellar and fraught with many moments of frustration.
So I'll happily sit back and watch how these pan out this time.
Select to expand quoteleashless said..AndyrooMac said..saltyheaven said..
www.swellnet.com/news/depth-test/2019/03/19/ride-free-flight-edge-board
Interesting article and discussion on the Edge concept...
"In the book On The Edge Of A Dream, Kidman makes a bold prediction: "I believe that in the future every surfer on the planet will have some kind of Edge element at play in what they are riding." Not a statement I subscribe too, but after my first few surfs I understood his enthusiasm. Two decades of concaves don't prepare you for the liberation of having a centre line lower than the rail. I've never been a fan of hulls, but they provide the best comparison: a sense of being in the water rather than continually skipping over it."
"Think a board that paddles like an 11'0' but turns on the face like an 8'0". The future is unwritten."
Personally i'm a fan of new theory in board design whilst also looking at the history and heritage of those older shapers. In this case, with the Edge, it's origins are originally Greenough but then Andreini who has taken the concept and continued to apply and modify and refine over many many years... I'm keen too add one to the quiver oneday but one project at a time I think...
Anyways, It's why i'm such a fan of Lovelace and Andreini, they take those old design concepts and integrate modern ideas to make a board thats more functional, more attainable and more fun... To make boards that the rider LOVES to ride rather than a board that you look cool on the wave or walking down the beach (likely because I will never look cool on the wave or walking down the beach)
Best surfer of our generation - struggling on an edge board. All hype in my opinion.. Marketing, gimmick...
See the article where the edge boards don't work unless you have a certain greenough fin!! Haha - then charge a motza for the fin... Ridiculous..
Yep, thats about the worst surfing vid i've seen of Rasta, that board totally doesn't work on those waves...
Doesn't mean the idea doesn't work at all though... but not saying it does either
And overfinning and using the correct fin, I mean that applies to all boards... The Flat Tracker with the wrong fin is an absolute pig, but then its unreal with the right fin...
Anyways, I don't think its marketing, the guys shaping these things do no marketing, they sell through word of mouth and people that love their ideology.
I'm on the fence personally but then Andreini, Greenough and Eric Ellis etc know far more about boards than me so I'm happy to be guided by them.
But Eric goes ok on them...
Just got the Kidman / Ellis book on this today. After a brief look through, it goes into plenty of depth and takes a bit of a long view as far as the boards being good or otherwise. That is, they're following a seed of an idea that shows potential, not expecting it to be fully realised by the third board. Pretty awesome project I reckon.
This from the OTEOAD insta.... Looking like plenty of potential to me.
www.instagram.com/p/BsMlJycHgJK/
Never had much luck with vee or hulled bottoms...I don't like tippy boards and too much vee/convex/edge is going to make a board tippy IMO...put me down for a no not interested
Loving the guys on here with some serious hull froth. If you're really serious about it then you'll delve into a world filled with personal satisfaction but also plenty of humbling/frustrating moments. All the things that make surfing what they are.
The first displacement hull I rode was an Andreini Vaquero in about 2006/2007. Instant froth ensued. And that sparked a 10 year love affair with predominantly riding only displacement hulls. It was the spark that birthed Vouch for me and has always been the inspiration behind most of our mid length boards to some degree.
Obviously Paul Hutchinson was shaping them for me and I was using his knowledge of similar boards from that era and blending it with very slight modern tweaks. All the while keeping true to the design with all it's hidden aspects that most people won't be aware of.
After a solid 6 or 7 years of riding and refining the hulls we were making, and moving into other areas exploring the design aspects, a friend was toying with the idea of visiting Hawaii and picking up some custom handshapes from Greg himself for the 3 of us. This really got the excitement levels up. The other guys were tossing up, "What model? How do you decide?". There was no decision for me, it was always going to be a Death Machine/Jaws board/Dirt Krajewski model. 6'10", just like the man himself used to ride. Keep it as legit Liddle as you could possibly get. Greg wasn't sure I knew what I was getting into. Saying they were really fine tuned for the avid hull rider. Bring it on, I told him, I'm ready.
Payment up front. Dollar was 1:1 at the time so we were laughing. After a long 3 month wait, the time comes, my mate leaves, meets up with Greg on Kauai, total legend. Stoked the boys have tapped in so solidly with his boards. And suddenly they're on their way home. Mate gets to Gold Coast airport, no boards. WTF? Jetstar, "Sorry sir the boards are in Hong Kong". Great. "We'll get them here as quick as possible". 4 weeks of phone calls and back and forth-ing and it seems the boards are lost. Stoked.
I resign myself to the fact that it obviously wasn't meant to be. Easy come, easy go.
Then one afternoon, BAM, mate rocks up with a board bag, the excitement level was something I'll never forget. It was here, FINALLY. Ran out the back to grab the polisher (who was the 3rd mate who joined us on the order) and we basically freaked out all together opening them in the showroom. Photos standing with them out the front of the shop in front of the big Bear sign (Greg was especially excited about that as he'd shaped most of the boards for the Big Wednesday movie!) They still needed to be wet sanded, as Greg liked to leave them just finish coated so you could dial in the finish yourself and really get to feel the lines of your new board.
The bank at The Pass was pretty much all time that year (2013) and we were straight out there that afternoon after furiously cutting them back and wet sanding them to 600. I'll never forget that first session. Felt a lot like what I'd been riding of Paul's for the last 6 years but it had that extra spark and just something special about it, of course. One turn in particular still stands at the front of my mind whenever I look at the board. Proper roundhouse (no easy feat on a hull) right in front of a mate, right at the Point, on a set, super critical. Felt ****ing incredible.
The board was ridden hard for the next 3 years and I've since let it collect some dust and wait for the banks to get good enough again to warrant riding it. Hulls are a handful to a dozen sessions a year thing usually. You want the EXACT type of waves they were made for to really gain that proper feeling you're chasing. Especially with something as refined as the DM. My last session was 3 foot Tea Tree and it felt good to leave it at that until the next time.
Sorry for the rant, but seeing some people start their hull journey and read about their clear excitement had me re-living mine. And those sort of excitement levels don't come along everyday.
Some pics below. Best part for me is the notches in the fin box letting you move the fin mid surf (we put Kumano bearings in the fins to have them click in/out. No screws/plates) That's where I've really started to get a feeling for the board.
Thanks for sharing that Evan, awesome story!
Indeed my thoughts about 'All or Nothing' are the same, at least at first. It's a 7'0 Death Machine in the pipeline for me. Pretty sure there'll be a couple of proud and comical backyard/parking lot photo's on arrival.
It's extra unusual for me as I haven't bought a single board since I started making my own, in the 1980's!
Select to expand quoteevansquirrell said..
Loving the guys on here with some serious hull froth. If you're really serious about it then you'll delve into a world filled with personal satisfaction but also plenty of humbling/frustrating moments. All the things that make surfing what they are.
The first displacement hull I rode was an Andreini Vaquero in about 2006/2007. Instant froth ensued. And that sparked a 10 year love affair with predominantly riding only displacement hulls. It was the spark that birthed Vouch for me and has always been the inspiration behind most of our mid length boards to some degree.
Obviously Paul Hutchinson was shaping them for me and I was using his knowledge of similar boards from that era and blending it with very slight modern tweaks. All the while keeping true to the design with all it's hidden aspects that most people won't be aware of.
After a solid 6 or 7 years of riding and refining the hulls we were making, and moving into other areas exploring the design aspects, a friend was toying with the idea of visiting Hawaii and picking up some custom handshapes from Greg himself for the 3 of us. This really got the excitement levels up. The other guys were tossing up, "What model? How do you decide?". There was no decision for me, it was always going to be a Death Machine/Jaws board/Dirt Krajewski model. 6'10", just like the man himself used to ride. Keep it as legit Liddle as you could possibly get. Greg wasn't sure I knew what I was getting into. Saying they were really fine tuned for the avid hull rider. Bring it on, I told him, I'm ready.
Payment up front. Dollar was 1:1 at the time so we were laughing. After a long 3 month wait, the time comes, my mate leaves, meets up with Greg on Kauai, total legend. Stoked the boys have tapped in so solidly with his boards. And suddenly they're on their way home. Mate gets to Gold Coast airport, no boards. WTF? Jetstar, "Sorry sir the boards are in Hong Kong". Great. "We'll get them here as quick as possible". 4 weeks of phone calls and back and forth-ing and it seems the boards are lost. Stoked.
I resign myself to the fact that it obviously wasn't meant to be. Easy come, easy go.
Then one afternoon, BAM, mate rocks up with a board bag, the excitement level was something I'll never forget. It was here, FINALLY. Ran out the back to grab the polisher (who was the 3rd mate who joined us on the order) and we basically freaked out all together opening them in the showroom. Photos standing with them out the front of the shop in front of the big Bear sign (Greg was especially excited about that as he'd shaped most of the boards for the Big Wednesday movie!) They still needed to be wet sanded, as Greg liked to leave them just finish coated so you could dial in the finish yourself and really get to feel the lines of your new board.
The bank at The Pass was pretty much all time that year (2013) and we were straight out there that afternoon after furiously cutting them back and wet sanding them to 600. I'll never forget that first session. Felt a lot like what I'd been riding of Paul's for the last 6 years but it had that extra spark and just something special about it, of course. One turn in particular still stands at the front of my mind whenever I look at the board. Proper roundhouse (no easy feat on a hull) right in front of a mate, right at the Point, on a set, super critical. Felt ****ing incredible.
The board was ridden hard for the next 3 years and I've since let it collect some dust and wait for the banks to get good enough again to warrant riding it. Hulls are a handful to a dozen sessions a year thing usually. You want the EXACT type of waves they were made for to really gain that proper feeling you're chasing. Especially with something as refined as the DM. My last session was 3 foot Tea Tree and it felt good to leave it at that until the next time.
Sorry for the rant, but seeing some people start their hull journey and read about their clear excitement had me re-living mine. And those sort of excitement levels don't come along everyday.
Some pics below. Best part for me is the notches in the fin box letting you move the fin mid surf (we put Kumano bearings in the fins to have them click in/out. No screws/plates) That's where I've really started to get a feeling for the board.
Awesome story and experience and big thanks for sharing... Reinforces a lot of what my thinking has been.
Question, what were your thoughts on the Vaquero Vs The Death Machine? I have been in contact with Marc and he comes across as really knowledgeable, approachable and helpful... I suspect the Vaq is more to my ability as its a modified and more user friendly hull much like the Lovelace... whereas the DM I suspect is going to have a longer learning curve...
Anyways, I think the DM and the Tassie winter points will be a nice bit of fun and good laugh for those watching me kook it (even more than I usually do 
)
Thanks again for weighing in... Cheers
Yep, nice illustration...
m.facebook.com/groups/1716467161964739?view=permalink&id=2299063990371717
Select to expand quoteCuttlefish said..
Those didn't take long. Are they stock boards?
They are... I was wanting a 7'2" to 7'4" anyways... Managed to get a sweet deal by taking the stock boards including free freight to Tas... Stoked
Select to expand quoteAndyrooMac said..Cuttlefish said..
Those didn't take long. Are they stock boards?
They are... I was wanting a 7'2" to 7'4" anyways... Managed to get a sweet deal by taking the stock boards including free freight to Tas... Stoked
Sweet. Look forward to hearing the hull-story on how they go for you fellas.
Cheers guys...
Will be fun to try and ride something really different... especially after reading Evans and other similar stories... well prepared for lots of failure... but the rewards are all the better when the challenge is hard.
Also got an update on 8'2" Lizzy, she's getting close
Then just the Andreini to complete the quiver
Select to expand quoteAndyrooMac said..
Cheers guys...
Will be fun to try and ride something really different... especially after reading Evans and other similar stories... well prepared for lots of failure... but the rewards are all the better when the challenge is hard.
Also got an update on 8'2" Lizzy, she's getting close
Then just the Andreini to complete the quiver
Didn't you say a few months ago you were scaling down the quiver.....
Select to expand quoteMcHenry said..AndyrooMac said..
Cheers guys...
Will be fun to try and ride something really different... especially after reading Evans and other similar stories... well prepared for lots of failure... but the rewards are all the better when the challenge is hard.
Also got an update on 8'2" Lizzy, she's getting close
Then just the Andreini to complete the quiver
Didn't you say a few months ago you were scaling down the quiver.....
Haha, might not sound like it but I actually have....
I currently have my 10' Hot Log, 7'7" Lizzy and the Fish which is for sale...
So the plan will be:
10'0" Hot Log
Purely for lined up NR days, Will eventually replace with a 9'6" - 9'4"
8'2" Lovelace Lizzy
For the points/river where you need the extra foam for the paddle out and to compete with the LB's and smaller or flatter waves.
On order for late April/early May
7'7" Lovelace Lizzy
The daily driver, awesome in basically anything.
7'4" Liddle DM
The experimental, purely to keep me learning and for variety.
On Order for Mid April
Pretty happy with all that...
Would love to fit in a 7'6"- 8' Vbowls just because i'm keen to try one and an Andreini Vacquero because they are unreal and to pay homage to a guy who has quietly done an incredible amount for the craft... If Marc was shaping in Aus an 8'0 Vacquero would have been the go in preference to the 8'2" Lizzy... maybe... its hard to move away from that board...
Select to expand quoteAndyrooMac said..Cuttlefish said..
Those didn't take long. Are they stock boards?
They are... I was wanting a 7'2" to 7'4" anyways... Managed to get a sweet deal by taking the stock boards including free freight to Tas... Stoked
Are they ghost shaped out here or imported?
Good luck with them..
Select to expand quoteToobz said..
Must of missed it? What happened to the locally shaped 8'4??
Awesome board but a bit much volume for me... Once you fall in love with the foil of Lizzy its hard to surf the other stuff...
Had a host of suitors so I let her go to someone who would surf her more than me... somewhat regretful sale... but i'm sure once 2nd Lizzy arrives that will be cool
Select to expand quoteSP said..
Are they ghost shaped out here or imported?
Good luck with them..
Ghost.
www.instagram.com/p/Bqdc5bgniV8/
I presume finish shaped from a machine cut. More info here if you're interested... gregliddledesigns.com/about
Select to expand quoteSP said..AndyrooMac said..Cuttlefish said..
Those didn't take long. Are they stock boards?
They are... I was wanting a 7'2" to 7'4" anyways... Managed to get a sweet deal by taking the stock boards including free freight to Tas... Stoked
Are they ghost shaped out here or imported?
Good luck with them..
Greg has stopped shaping now... He has passed on his templates and tricks to Scott Anderson in the US and Mike Saggus in Australia...
"kirkputnam@dikimora Michael Saggus is shaping them , Mike came over with Bob Cooper to Santa Barbara to visit Yater around 74 and ended up staying with me working at Yaters and then was Al Merrick's first shaper . Mike and I have been friends for over 40 years and he is an amazing craftsman."
So local ghost shaped.
Select to expand quoteAndyrooMac said..
Haha, might not sound like it but I actually have....
I currently have my 10' Hot Log, 7'7" Lizzy and the Fish which is for sale...
So the plan will be:
10'0" Hot Log
Purely for lined up NR days, Will eventually replace with a 9'6" - 9'4"
8'2" Lovelace Lizzy
For the points/river where you need the extra foam for the paddle out and to compete with the LB's and smaller or flatter waves.
On order for late April/early May
7'7" Lovelace Lizzy
The daily driver, awesome in basically anything.
7'4" Liddle DM
The experimental, purely to keep me learning and for variety.
On Order for Mid April
Pretty happy with all that...
Would love to fit in a 7'6"- 8' Vbowls just because i'm keen to try one and an Andreini Vacquero because they are unreal and to pay homage to a guy who has quietly done an incredible amount for the craft... If Marc was shaping in Aus an 8'0 Vacquero would have been the go in preference to the 8'2" Lizzy... maybe... its hard to move away from that board...
Surely every faux hipster worth even half his salt lusts after a glider, something in the 14'+ range.
( that'd be a ... erhem.. midlength glider of course.)
Id really like a 7'2-7'4 Lizzie with bonzer set up but have sent emails with no reply so may settle for a Psillakis shaped bonzer.Does ryan do the bonzer bottom contours on the lizzie or his usual bottom shape but just adding bonzer keels?
