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Created by vee8 > 9 months ago, 3 Apr 2015
wavelength
1195 posts
7 Apr 2015 9:28PM
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These guys look like they are having fun...

thedrip
WA, 2355 posts
7 Apr 2015 11:03PM
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I need to get back on the tail more. Still struggling to do those sharp turns on my longboard - I keep trying to put it on rail and carve a turn.

Get back, plant foot, hook turn, shuffle forward.

vanders1
QLD, 3809 posts
8 Apr 2015 6:28AM
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wavelength said..
These guys look like they are having fun...



True, just missing leggies.

I had a guy thank me last weekend at a crowded Rainbow for grabbing his un-leashed board for him as it headed towards the flagged swimming area on the face of whitewater, I told him I didn't grab it for him I grabbed it so it didn't hurt anyone else. When will these dips##ts learn?

E T
QLD, 2286 posts
8 Apr 2015 7:55AM
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vanders1 said..

wavelength said..
These guys look like they are having fun...




True, just missing leggies.

I had a guy thank me last weekend at a crowded Rainbow for grabbing his un-leashed board for him as it headed towards the flagged swimming area on the face of whitewater, I told him I didn't grab it for him I grabbed it so it didn't hurt anyone else. When will these dips##ts learn?


Well done Vman. These dip****s only think of themselves and there pals whilst you thought of others, a true gentleman.

ET.

SP
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8 Apr 2015 7:53AM
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AndyrooMac said...
I was making a comparison between hp lb and logging, not saying one is better than the other... point totally missed... I mean, you can't force a wave into allowing you to noseride, you have to go with it and wait for the right section to present itself then go... and if that's your bliss then what's the harm in that? What style you prefer to watch/surf is up to the individual and each to their own


Na I got your point. I was pretty much agreeing with you and giving my thought as to why all good surfing begins with what you said so maybe you missed mine.

Mine was all good surfing comes from trim, positioning and timing. No matter if it's shorty or Log.

That was pretty much it..

As for what I watch. Don't know how that came into it cause I reckon I lead the way in posting Log clips on here by a long way.
But it doesn't matter to me I can watch any surfing that does those things well.

The pros do it better then any one else. How do think Slater gets barreled of his tits. Trim, positioning and timing the same things that lead to a good nose ride.

My other point was a proper Log[ which fark all people ride, most new logs aren't that traditional despite what the description in a website says] is a pretty one dimensional surf craft and don't suit the majority of waves and therefore make it difficult to position, get it into trim, time turns or even a noseride at somewhere like Noosa a log looks good cause it's suited to a slow fat dribbler but it won't work everywhere that's why surfboards, like it or not have evolved over the past 50 years.
But even though surfboards have changed good surfing is still in my mind based in good positioning, generating speed and timing.

SP
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8 Apr 2015 8:29AM
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RoyStuart said...
A discussion of both kinds of music... country AND western...




No matter what music Roy.

If it doesn't have rhythm, melody and harmony it probably sounds like a mess, just how surfing looks without speed, flow and timing.

How are the guns going?

SP
10982 posts
10 Apr 2015 8:37AM
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Interesting take, kinda on this topic on what is style.


http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2015/04/09/elements-surfing-style

Elements of surfing style


<div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden">After watching the world's best struggle in small, low tide waves at Bells blindboy was moved to consider the neglected issue of surfing style.Style was once almost as important in judging a surfer's performance as the path they sliced and carved across the wave. Think Dora, Edwards, Farrelly, Lopez, Lynch, Fitzgerald, and Abelleira amongst others. Now, if the word is used at all, it seems to have a much more limited application. This is not to say that modern surfers lack style, Parkinson, Fanning and Florence are the names that come to mind but many other professionals past and present, are also exemplars.However we rate individual surfers it is indisputable that style counts for less than it once did and, consequently it is also less understood. These days it seems to be considered as a unitary quality which a surfer either possesses or does not. This is wrong. Surfing style is composed of discrete elements that need to be considered individually

.Functionality: In simple terms style has to work and ceases to be style when it inhibits performance. A classic example of this is the surfer who, having pulled into a large barrel, strikes a pose that results in his head getting hit by the lip. There are many lesser examples that can be seen fairly frequently at almost any level of surfing. The point is that where ever self-consciousness intrudes, style is likely to disappear. Functionality then is the base on which all else depends.

Economy: All movements need to be the minimum necessary to achieve their purpose. This does not mean minimal power. It means matching the power to the purpose. Consider the surfer who hits a bottom turn without considering that the approaching section is actually filling up. Often the board can be ripped through the turn with little loss of performance but usually with much loss of style. More broadly the idea is to dispense with the inessential; that trailing arm waving randomly in the breeze, the floppy wrist, the tics and twitches? Get rid of them. Claims, by the same criteria, no matter how richly justified, are never stylish.

Flow: It can be defined as the continuity of movement of both board and body in smooth regular patterns so that there are no pauses or sudden jerks. The path of the board, represented in space, should appear as one long curve with no singularities. No matter how much power is applied over how small a distance, the resulting path should be curved to maintain style. The radius of the curve may be tiny, but it should be there. The most common breach of this is the pivot on a rail fin to imitate a cutback or snap where it is not possible to perform the actual manoeuvre. Heinously abused in competitive surfing. Board flapping across fat sections need not even be mentioned.

Harmony: This is probably the most controversial point but is no less valid for that. The surfer should surf with the wave rather than force a pre-conceived pattern upon it. This is another area where many competitive surfers lose style. The most obvious example is when a surfer, desperately needing a high score, uses the whole wave to set up a final aerial. Aerials as such are not the problem, it is their imposition into a situation where they do not fit the wave. A similar point could be made about surfers forcing themselves more vertically into the lip than suits the wave, so they end up with a jerky recovery onto the face rather than a smooth transition. Recreational surfers can be equally guilty of this kind of over amping. Watch any beach break and see how long it takes to see an otherwise competent surfer force too much rail into the water on a cutback and either fall off or make an ungainly recovery.

Aesthetics: It may be theoretically possible to apply a purely aesthetic scheme to the relationship of board, body and wave but it is probably impossible to work from that scheme, that design if you like, to actual performance in the way that dancers and ice skaters do. The constantly shifting surface on which we perform mitigates against it. Rather the aesthetic quality arises naturally from other elements. A well balanced stance and natural flowing movements that fit the curves of the wave should automatically cause the lines of body, board and wave to align in a manner pleasing to the eye. That said, in some circumstances a greater awareness of posture would make a big difference. The most common fault is probably the hunching of the shoulders and dropping of the head.Young surfers and beginners need to be aware of these principles from day one. The focus, for a considerable period of their development should be on control and surfing the wave as it presents itself. Very often young surfers think only in terms of manoeuvres and force themselves in to attempting things that are clearly beyond their powers, if not to complete, then to integrate into the totality of the wave. It can be hard to recover from this in later years. The best surfers seem to demonstrate an inherent awareness of style from the moment they first step onto a board and build their repertoire without straining for particular manoeuvres in isolation. The rest of us, even if we can never approach their level of performance, might learn from that. //blindboy

RoyStuart
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10 Apr 2015 2:03PM
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SP said..
RoyStuart said...
A discussion of both kinds of music... country AND western...




No matter what music Roy.

If it doesn't have rhythm, melody and harmony it probably sounds like a mess, just how surfing looks without speed, flow and timing.

How are the guns going?


Umm, ok but the point was that to most there are only two kinds of longboarding.

I'm busy with a trio of midlengths which have been waiting to be glassed, here's one:





vee8
NSW, 64 posts
10 Apr 2015 4:42PM
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Midlengths ain`t Longboards

smh
NSW, 7269 posts
10 Apr 2015 7:12PM
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RoyStuart said..

SP said..

RoyStuart said...
A discussion of both kinds of music... country AND western...




No matter what music Roy.

If it doesn't have rhythm, melody and harmony it probably sounds like a mess, just how surfing looks without speed, flow and timing.

How are the guns going?



Umm, ok but the point was that to most there are only two kinds of longboarding.

I'm busy with a trio of midlengths which have been waiting to be glassed, here's one:







Nice work Roy

SP
10982 posts
10 Apr 2015 6:17PM
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They look good Roy, keep the photos coming

RoyStuart
532 posts
11 Apr 2015 3:00PM
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Thanks will do. Two times 10oz each side on this one, I'm going for the 'world's longest glassing process' award but she isn't going to break.

RoyStuart
532 posts
11 Apr 2015 3:04PM
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SP said..

Interesting take, kinda on this topic on what is style.


http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2015/04/09/elements-surfing-style

Elements of surfing style


<div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden">After watching the world's best struggle in small, low tide waves at Bells blindboy was moved to consider the neglected issue of surfing style.Style was once almost as important in judging a surfer's performance as the path they sliced and carved across the wave. Think Dora, Edwards, Farrelly, Lopez, Lynch, Fitzgerald, and Abelleira amongst others. Now, if the word is used at all, it seems to have a much more limited application. This is not to say that modern surfers lack style, Parkinson, Fanning and Florence are the names that come to mind but many other professionals past and present, are also exemplars.However we rate individual surfers it is indisputable that style counts for less than it once did and, consequently it is also less understood. These days it seems to be considered as a unitary quality which a surfer either possesses or does not. This is wrong. Surfing style is composed of discrete elements that need to be considered individually

.Functionality: In simple terms style has to work and ceases to be style when it inhibits performance. A classic example of this is the surfer who, having pulled into a large barrel, strikes a pose that results in his head getting hit by the lip. There are many lesser examples that can be seen fairly frequently at almost any level of surfing. The point is that where ever self-consciousness intrudes, style is likely to disappear. Functionality then is the base on which all else depends.

Economy: All movements need to be the minimum necessary to achieve their purpose. This does not mean minimal power. It means matching the power to the purpose. Consider the surfer who hits a bottom turn without considering that the approaching section is actually filling up. Often the board can be ripped through the turn with little loss of performance but usually with much loss of style. More broadly the idea is to dispense with the inessential; that trailing arm waving randomly in the breeze, the floppy wrist, the tics and twitches? Get rid of them. Claims, by the same criteria, no matter how richly justified, are never stylish.

Flow: It can be defined as the continuity of movement of both board and body in smooth regular patterns so that there are no pauses or sudden jerks. The path of the board, represented in space, should appear as one long curve with no singularities. No matter how much power is applied over how small a distance, the resulting path should be curved to maintain style. The radius of the curve may be tiny, but it should be there. The most common breach of this is the pivot on a rail fin to imitate a cutback or snap where it is not possible to perform the actual manoeuvre. Heinously abused in competitive surfing. Board flapping across fat sections need not even be mentioned.

Harmony: This is probably the most controversial point but is no less valid for that. The surfer should surf with the wave rather than force a pre-conceived pattern upon it. This is another area where many competitive surfers lose style. The most obvious example is when a surfer, desperately needing a high score, uses the whole wave to set up a final aerial. Aerials as such are not the problem, it is their imposition into a situation where they do not fit the wave. A similar point could be made about surfers forcing themselves more vertically into the lip than suits the wave, so they end up with a jerky recovery onto the face rather than a smooth transition. Recreational surfers can be equally guilty of this kind of over amping. Watch any beach break and see how long it takes to see an otherwise competent surfer force too much rail into the water on a cutback and either fall off or make an ungainly recovery.

Aesthetics: It may be theoretically possible to apply a purely aesthetic scheme to the relationship of board, body and wave but it is probably impossible to work from that scheme, that design if you like, to actual performance in the way that dancers and ice skaters do. The constantly shifting surface on which we perform mitigates against it. Rather the aesthetic quality arises naturally from other elements. A well balanced stance and natural flowing movements that fit the curves of the wave should automatically cause the lines of body, board and wave to align in a manner pleasing to the eye. That said, in some circumstances a greater awareness of posture would make a big difference. The most common fault is probably the hunching of the shoulders and dropping of the head.Young surfers and beginners need to be aware of these principles from day one. The focus, for a considerable period of their development should be on control and surfing the wave as it presents itself. Very often young surfers think only in terms of manoeuvres and force themselves in to attempting things that are clearly beyond their powers, if not to complete, then to integrate into the totality of the wave. It can be hard to recover from this in later years. The best surfers seem to demonstrate an inherent awareness of style from the moment they first step onto a board and build their repertoire without straining for particular manoeuvres in isolation. The rest of us, even if we can never approach their level of performance, might learn from that. //blindboy


The 'economy, harmony and functionality' criteria will have to be applied in a very limited way otherwise most of the so called surfing styles used globally will fail the test miserably... since most of what is done isn't required for wave riding at all.




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