I think quoting peak speeds from a GPS is a bit misleading. All it takes is a swoosh and a surge at the right time, a wave of your arm, and you'll get a peak of 40-50 kph.
There are a few tricks to leave out extraneous peaks from a GPS track but that would be a bit of an effort just for bragging rights.
You might get a more accurate reading mounting the GPS on the deck of the bird.
Select to expand quotecharlieuk said..JB said..charlieuk said..
what the best way to manage speed on a foil?
I think I'm slowly getting used to it but I also have scared myself silly a few times recently.
If the take off is looking a bit steep I have just been keeping way forward and stuck to the surface to take the drop before then taking off. But if I get on a wave early and then it jacks up I end up going like a bat outa hell and go into a low stinkbug stance preparing for a breach or face plant. (Riding a takuma on 7'4 sup)
Hey Charlieuk,
I know the stinkbug stance well, and it's pretty efficient. You have good technique with your steep take-offs, keep that in practice, but you will find that you'll eventually start playing with steeper takeoffs and getting it dialed.
Having never used the Takuma, I am not sure of it's tendencies, But I think a large part of the Naish' Success is the thickness of the front wing. Although it offers up loads of lift it also has plenty of drag. I honestly think Naish have it perfectly balanced with lift and drag. Some foils do not have enough drag and for surfing were the pressures change every second, they accelerate too quickly and sometimes in a very unstable way delivering heaps of lift without control, then you find yourself too far out in the flat and having to work for your lift. I find the Naish Malolo and Thrust very smooth and super consistent.
If you need to slow, then checking down is really the only way. Just be ready for a major speed drop without learning back (as you'll just launch back up).
Regards,
JB
I feared that may be the problem maybe we need a winged suit to act as a air brake! I'm guessing in time it will be come natural its just it feels like your right on the edge and that one wrong move you will breach and crash or nosedive and crash! The other issue I have is were I surf a lot is in a harbour with walls ether side which come up rather fast on a foil which is why I'm keen to get the speed under a little more control! I would be keen to try the naish but I would think the chances of that will be slim, maybe a little more chance of trying a go foil possibly. The takuma I can get through work which is why I went for that. I havnt quite mustard the courage to go for a dw'er in the fear that it may be the slowest one I ever do in my life.
Keep at it, what seems scary fast now, will seem normal in a few months. At first I thought similar, and now I hungry for the speed.
Ride safe,
JB
Select to expand quoteGusD said..Foilboarder said..
Had a quick surf session this morning on the Naish 5'6 Soft Top Surf board with Malolo Foil.
Max Speed: 43.6km
I know which direction i'll be heading in the sport of Downwinding. FASTER IS BETTER
How did the others in the water at Dee Why take to it? I would have thought that it would be a relatively crowded place to take a foil.
GusD, It's interesting now we have pretty good control. As long as your not endangering anyone, there is a lot of curiousity. The young grommies go off and are screaming and cheering when you get up. This said, we are sitting wide and riding the un-ridden ones, never bailing and taking a rumbling if needed to keep our gear away from others, also our level of riding now we're very rearly stacking. The beauty of shortboard foiling is you can duck dive, this makes a huge difference to SUP foiling were getting through rogue sets can be interesting.
In general, stay away from people, let the lineup know your foiling. Make sure your skill level is up to it. Use your brain and don't be a d!ck.
Ride safe,
JB
Select to expand quoteJB said..charlieuk said..JB said..charlieuk said..
what the best way to manage speed on a foil?
I think I'm slowly getting used to it but I also have scared myself silly a few times recently.
If the take off is looking a bit steep I have just been keeping way forward and stuck to the surface to take the drop before then taking off. But if I get on a wave early and then it jacks up I end up going like a bat outa hell and go into a low stinkbug stance preparing for a breach or face plant. (Riding a takuma on 7'4 sup)
Hey Charlieuk,
I know the stinkbug stance well, and it's pretty efficient. You have good technique with your steep take-offs, keep that in practice, but you will find that you'll eventually start playing with steeper takeoffs and getting it dialed.
Having never used the Takuma, I am not sure of it's tendencies, But I think a large part of the Naish' Success is the thickness of the front wing. Although it offers up loads of lift it also has plenty of drag. I honestly think Naish have it perfectly balanced with lift and drag. Some foils do not have enough drag and for surfing were the pressures change every second, they accelerate too quickly and sometimes in a very unstable way delivering heaps of lift without control, then you find yourself too far out in the flat and having to work for your lift. I find the Naish Malolo and Thrust very smooth and super consistent.
If you need to slow, then checking down is really the only way. Just be ready for a major speed drop without learning back (as you'll just launch back up).
Regards,
JB
I feared that may be the problem maybe we need a winged suit to act as a air brake! I'm guessing in time it will be come natural its just it feels like your right on the edge and that one wrong move you will breach and crash or nosedive and crash! The other issue I have is were I surf a lot is in a harbour with walls ether side which come up rather fast on a foil which is why I'm keen to get the speed under a little more control! I would be keen to try the naish but I would think the chances of that will be slim, maybe a little more chance of trying a go foil possibly. The takuma I can get through work which is why I went for that. I havnt quite mustard the courage to go for a dw'er in the fear that it may be the slowest one I ever do in my life.
Keep at it, what seems scary fast now, will seem normal in a few months. At first I thought similar, and now I hungry for the speed.
Ride safe,
JB
cheers yea I'm sure it will all come together I'm going out a fare bit at the moment, was out today trying to get the hang of back side and had a few warp speed moments which made fore some high sides and heavy crashes!
out on the unlimited tomorrow for a change maybe a quick foil after though :)
By the sounds of it kai is about to do the M2O on a foil?
Course record will be smashed he's about to make history once again.
He he has already done the crossing on a foil hasn't he just not in a race environment?
Any ofhers doing M2O on a foil ?
Select to expand quoteAndyR said..
By the sounds of it kai is about to do the M2O on a foil?
Course record will be smashed he's about to make history once again.
He he has already done the crossing on a foil hasn't he just not in a race environment?
Any ofhers doing M2O on a foil ?
Yes, he did the exact crossing and smashed his own record by over 45 minutes. And that was months ago, he is faster and even more skilled now. Will be very interesting.
JB
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Is there an offical foil class in this race?
Pretty sure this is a no foils allowed race.
It was last year and I think they are keeping it that way for now but could be wrong if someone knows better?
Yeah Kai Lenny & Matt Poole will be on foils and being followed & filmed by the Red Bull crew so they must be expecting something special.
Matt Poole on foil? Thought he was going out to try win back the prone unlimited title
Supracer says kai has jumped on a plan to South America for the WSL big wave tour that just got the green light.
What at a shame would of been historical to see him cross the channel in a race on the foil.
Really ...... spewing plus Poole has a pretty nasty knee problem. He is still flying over and if he can kneel he'll do the prone.
