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You could have got a takuma there cheaper , interested in why you bought the Armstrong
For me it was a toss up between the 1300 lol & hs1550, messaged Piros & KDMaui on Insta about it (KD also rates the lol).
In the end I went with my gut, new wings are being developed all the time & I wanted the best quality platform to build on.
Armstrong customer service seems to be highly rated also.
Pulled the trigger on the 1600. Hopefully I'll have something to look forward to after the lockdown lifts!
Rob got my Takuma set up coming today. Sale was legit so I got the 1600 set up and added 1300 front and rear. When I balance my axis by lifting by the front foil upside down and balancing it I know where the sweet spot is pretty much every time. When you are balancing using the Takuma does it work the same way or do you need to go further back regardless of the balance point?
My bud Erik (Progression Project, you've been on the podcast) had Kane on his show and he taught everyone that little foil balance trick. Wondering if you need tho go even further back w LOL.? Pretty frothed up to try the new set up.
Been having a great time on axis foils 900 and 1000even the 1010 w the370 rear and pulling some decent turns and some great long rides. But really looking forward to some takuma magic.
Lastly when. It gets more powerful for Sup do you slide the small rear on the 1600? Make it looser? Less lift? For me I would imagine small waves on SUP 1600 set up stock, as it gets bigger maybe switch out the rear? When decent size maybe 1300 set up on Sup? Seems like Prone will be easy to sort out. 1600 for small days 1300 for the rest.
Cheers thanks the great reviews keep them coming! It appreciated!
Dave.
Hey Dave well done on the Takuma , re the balance point i would set the Takuma a bit further back to your std position . Kane is right in what he is saying but for this set up surf with a hex key in your pocket and start a bit further back , very easy to adjust the position out on the water I do it all the time . Just roll the board over and only slightly loosen the bolts and bump the mast forward 1/2" at a time until you find the sweet spot.
Re the tails yes drop the surf rear on the 1600 when it gets a bit more punchy , plus really helps it turn even tighter .
Right on.. I've done that as well. I'll work my way forward if need be. Hoping to have a wave Friday I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm going to put some tape (like a thinner rail saver) on the rear edge of the front foils- super sharp. Looks like I've seen some that have some protective tape on them, both the rear stabs do.
Do guys find they still need to plug the masts on these they look sealed? I guess if it takes on water I can. Put a layer of silicone on it..
Cheers
Don't put tape on the foil you will kill it , just a slight rub of wet n dry will dull it. I haven't plugged my Ali mast but haven't used it for awhile as I have the carbon .
For what it's worth I have the Takuma 1600 with 75cm carbon mast and I recently picked up the smaller rear stab and I love it. It was already a fast and efficient foil but the smaller rear stab allowed me to pop up easier, pump better and lowered the stall speed even more. These are very desirable traits as I'm exclusively downwind SUP foiling in the gorge. I'm 68 kg and the 1600 is also a dream for wing foiling which I've recently taken up. the 1600 is a perfect one foil quiver for my foil needs but the 1900 would be useful for heavier guys doing DW and I'd pick up the 1300 if I was doing any surf foiling.
Got to try the stock 1600 Takuma in small but really fun surf yesterday with some super long runners.
Thoughts-
Takuma surf/turns better than any axis set up I have-period!
It's narrower and stable ( maybe a little less stable that 1000/1010 because of the width but easy adjustment) but still glides like a champ, it's really fun to surf and catches waves and pumps up really quick. Without being too lifty. I'm sure on prone will take some more tweaking and moving of the mast.
It can bottom turn and not want to roll over. It's very confidence inspiring. Much tighter turns.
Ive only ridden it on Sup and started w mast further back in box, been moving it forward while in water. Pretty much have it back to where the axis was. I'll keep working on the sweet spot, I'd like to try it further back again, maybe when waves have more power. But for the most part I feel comfortable and confident where it's at.
The pump is totally different than axis. I did get one double dip. I can feel pump potential but it's new. I remembered Piros advise to choke the pump, will keep working on that. I used the larger rear- that might part of the reason. Might try the small stab next go. I'm kinda used to the small rear pump feel.
Either way I'm very impressed, I especially like the speed and when the waves are slow you can go slower and stay on foil "in the pocket" vs having to run all out 24;7. Very versatile. Look forward to much more time on it. Gonna be super fun,
Big thanks Piros and to al others for the excellent reviews and advice. what a great sport and so much more fun kit to come, I feel I made a great purchase. And I'm sure the next round of wings will be crazy.!
Dave in Jax.
be safe
Nice to hear. Still waiting on mine to arrive, but its some where between Sydney and Hawaii now.
I rode the 1600 for a couple of weeks and clocked a lot of time on the water on it, 4-6 hours per day easily. Tons of lift and then some. As Rob suggested, place this further back in the box than your normal setup for a wing this size. So much glide, tons of lift and easy to pump. Rob also taught me about choking the pump and you dont realise you are doing it until someone see you and gives you the nod. I had the mast too far forward and i was always fighting the lift, at that stage i was fairly new to foiling so i didnt know that it didnt have to be that hard. I just assumed that it was front foot, everyone said you have to have lots of front foot, so i thought it was normal.
I know better now and you shouldnt have to be constantly fighting to keep the wing in the water, move it back and relax more. there is so much lift with this wing that you can go back further than you think. After a few weeks i tried the 1300 and i liked it immediately. Still plenty of lift but turned more easily than the 1600. My preference would be the 1300 for the majority of use ( i am 77 kg) but i think it would be good to have the 1600 for smaller days and pumping out the back more easily. They are well priced and very good foils.
Well, thanks to COVID-19, it took two months, but I finally got my Takuma 1600 out for a quick surf this morning. My first impression was that this thing produces a crazy amount of lift for its size. In small surf I was able to get it going in any situation my 2000 cm wings would have. Build quality seems good, but that is only proven in the long run.
Hi Piros. Great thread, thanks. I love hearing about how different foils perform. Would really love to hear how you think the 1900, 1600 and 1300 compare to the GL 240, 210, 180 & 140. Also, what's this about choking the pump? Is this for Tukuma foils only or does it relate to pumping all types of foils?
I've been riding mine nonstop. It's been great, I've very happy with the purchase. It has the glide of a bigger wing and the performance of smaller wing. I know there is some hyped gear coming out now ,but this thing is a keeper. Wish I would have ordered carbon mast straight away. But that's the next move!
Any advice on the shims that come with the LOL? I got the 1.0 and 1.5 with my 1600, but I haven't tried either. I'd actually like to decrease the lift a little.
Both shims give more lift , to reduce lift put a single washer under rear screw . The 1600 rear wing gives alot of Lift , fitting the 1300 surf rear wing helps a lot to loosen it up and reduce lift . All the Uni Foil & Signature rear wings just screw straight on as well giving heaps more options . They work really well . I use a cut Uni flat rear on my 1300. Works so well will incredible pump.
When we say "lift" we think of an upward force so when we are talking about a rear stabilizer which is designed to create a downward force using the term "lift" can be confusing.
Piros are you saying the shims add more downward force to the tail? I thought they reduced the angle of incidence of the tail wing thus reducing the downward force. I haven't found that the shims change the feel much but I've been running the small surf wing paired with the 1600 front wing. I like this combo for popping up and light wind small wave downwinding but in bigger faster conditions I find the pitch control to be more challenging. I'm having a tendency to touchdown and skip off the water or overfoil. I can't modulate the pitch smoothly. I suppose I should be using the larger tail wing in these conditions but I sold it, oops. maybe a washer under the forward screw to increase downward (stabilizing) force?
Gets confusing and before the Armstrong boys chime in and others your tail wings are on top , the Takuma is underneath so everything is in reverse re shims. Don't look at the angle of the rear wing shimmed think about what it does to the front wing. So put a washer under the front screw makes the front of the rear wing point down which in turn lifts the front wing up , and the reverse if you put a washer in the rear.
If you are breaching and over foiling with the small rear , it will be much worse with the larger rear wing , the 1600 is an incredible super lifty wing learn to keep more pressure over your front foot.
Select to expand quotePiros said..your tail wings are on top , the Takuma is underneath so everything is in reverse re shims.
Wasn't he talking about a Takuma? I am so confused 
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For what it's worth I have the Takuma 1600 with 75cm carbon mast
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Gets confusing and before the Armstrong boys chime in and others your tail wings are on top , the Takuma is underneath so everything is in reverse re shims. Don't look at the angle of the rear wing shimmed think about what it does to the front wing. So put a washer under the front screw makes the front of the rear wing point down which in turn lifts the front wing up , and the reverse if you put a washer in the rear.
If you are breaching and over foiling with the small rear , it will be much worse with the larger rear wing , the 1600 is an incredible super lifty wing learn to keep more pressure over your front foot.
As an Armstrong boy chiming in , Im here to tell that our tailwings are on the bottom like takuma ,but ours are far superior in every way hahah.
Select to expand quotePiros said..
Both shims give more lift , to reduce lift put a single washer under rear screw . The 1600 rear wing gives alot of Lift , fitting the 1300 surf rear wing helps a lot to loosen it up and reduce lift . All the Uni Foil & Signature rear wings just screw straight on as well giving heaps more options . They work really well . I use a cut Uni flat rear on my 1300. Works so well will incredible pump.
Handy information about the signature tail fitting. I'll have to look into that.
Select to expand quotekobo said..Piros said..
Gets confusing and before the Armstrong boys chime in and others your tail wings are on top , the Takuma is underneath so everything is in reverse re shims. Don't look at the angle of the rear wing shimmed think about what it does to the front wing. So put a washer under the front screw makes the front of the rear wing point down which in turn lifts the front wing up , and the reverse if you put a washer in the rear.
If you are breaching and over foiling with the small rear , it will be much worse with the larger rear wing , the 1600 is an incredible super lifty wing learn to keep more pressure over your front foot.
As an Armstrong boy chiming in , Im here to tell that our tailwings are on the bottom like takuma ,but ours are far superior in every way hahah.
Haha whoops , New Gofoil , Fanatic ect top mount .
Armstrong recon the bottom mount is out of the turbulence from the front wing and they also pump better because the surface area isn't interrupted by the fuselage......guess I'll have to take their word on that , no way of really testing
Select to expand quotekobo said..Piros said..
Gets confusing and before the Armstrong boys chime in and others your tail wings are on top , the Takuma is underneath so everything is in reverse re shims. Don't look at the angle of the rear wing shimmed think about what it does to the front wing. So put a washer under the front screw makes the front of the rear wing point down which in turn lifts the front wing up , and the reverse if you put a washer in the rear.
If you are breaching and over foiling with the small rear , it will be much worse with the larger rear wing , the 1600 is an incredible super lifty wing learn to keep more pressure over your front foot.
As an Armstrong boy chiming in , Im here to tell that our tailwings are on the bottom like takuma ,but ours are far superior in every way hahah.Select to expand quotekobo said..Piros said..
Gets confusing and before the Armstrong boys chime in and others your tail wings are on top , the Takuma is underneath so everything is in reverse re shims. Don't look at the angle of the rear wing shimmed think about what it does to the front wing. So put a washer under the front screw makes the front of the rear wing point down which in turn lifts the front wing up , and the reverse if you put a washer in the rear.
If you are breaching and over foiling with the small rear , it will be much worse with the larger rear wing , the 1600 is an incredible super lifty wing learn to keep more pressure over your front foot.
As an Armstrong boy chiming in , Im here to tell that our tailwings are on the bottom like takuma ,but ours are far superior in every way hahah.
Lovin my combination of Takuma and Armstrong!
Anyone know an online shop that sells the LoL? I'm in the US, but this review has me considering them. I'm on a Lift 200 classic right now and considering switching brands. Axis and LoL Takuma are the front runners.
What's the wingspan on the 1600? The new lift HA wing is 37 inches which kinda freaks me out going so much wider than what I'm riding. I know the Axis 900 which I am considering is basically the same width though.
I'm 6'1" 185# riding a 4'8" prone in the surf.
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Anyone know an online shop that sells the LoL? I'm in the US, but this review has me considering them. I'm on a Lift 200 classic right now and considering switching brands. Axis and LoL Takuma are the front runners.
What's the wingspan on the 1600? The new lift HA wing is 37 inches which kinda freaks me out going so much wider than what I'm riding. I know the Axis 900 which I am considering is basically the same width though.
I'm 6'1" 185# riding a 4'8" prone in the surf.
Chinook is going to take over distribution for takuma in the states, just not sure when. I was frothing from this chat so I reached out to takuma to send me one but shipping wasn't worth it. Plus if I needed or wanted more parts, the shipping thing was going to be an issue. The 900 from axis and the 910 are great for prone. Give them a try if you can.
wetfeetsports.com in Hawaii has them listed, but I would call them to make sure. They only have the carbon listed for like $50 more than the aluminum, so I don't know what's up there. They are a legit shop though.
I'm about 220 lbs riding the 1600 on a 4'8 prone board and it has borderline too much lift for me. Consider the 1300 instead.
I've been riding the takuma 1600 and 1300 foils for a while now for winging / downwind. As far as shims go, definitely use them, thickest part to the back
. The 1.5 as a minimum and possibly both (from my measurements the stock shims change the tail incidence less than stated, so I made my own). I ended up settling on a tail incidence of -2' to the main foil. This works for both the 1600 and 1300.
For something different, a couple of days ago I got around to trying the 270 tail (small one) with the 1600 foil. I expected it to feel quite loose and pitchy. Instead I was blown away by how good it went. It definitely is a little bit more pitch sensitive. This is quickly adapted to. It still feels locked in and pumps well. The big difference is it has just opened up the top end more, giving better acceleration and speed but it hasn't affected low speed performance. If anything it has improved, which still doesn't make sense in my head. So this leads me to think do we need tails at all?
Been having such a time on the 1600 and small rear. No shims for me. Mostly small FL stuff Sup and prone. If it gets bigger or more push I use the 1300. Shims felt like I was dragging anchor. Takuma is legit! I'll have the carbon mast fuse and the 1900 for SUP pump on the micro days and for light wind wing ding.
I should add for wing / downwind I think shims work. I tried on wingding and I noticed the extra lift w the 1.5. Def felt it got me up earlier.
