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Starboard Foils

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Created by crakas > 9 months ago, 22 May 2016
crakas
QLD, 462 posts
22 May 2016 8:29AM
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Starboard has come out with their own foil sups now...



Not sure if I agree with using them in the surf...... It's akin to sending your tolder off to kindy with a samurai sword. If you want to get your chosen sport band at your local break, riding through the pack on one of these will do it.

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
22 May 2016 9:44AM
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Defeats the purpose of surfing the face of the wave

crakas
QLD, 462 posts
22 May 2016 10:24AM
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Yeah.. It does.

How's that Allwave going?

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
22 May 2016 10:47AM
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Loving it , best thing I ever bought thanks Crakas , looking at a prowave 9'2 or a speeed 8'10 now

Chopsup
SA, 123 posts
22 May 2016 10:33AM
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Its funny how they had to cobble this together and it definitely looks like its all been thrown together quickly to stop everyone looking at naish. The shorter boards being ridden in that video looks like hard work and that race board looks like it has its bum cut off and a section added to support the foil in a mad panic!

crakas
QLD, 462 posts
22 May 2016 11:14AM
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Chopsup... That was my first impression too...

chucktheskiffie
220 posts
22 May 2016 11:53AM
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Anyone else notice that the foil section is blurred in the surfing bit of that photo. Like the foil is made out of a star-witness in a mob murder trial.

What a pack of douchebags... guys think they have split the atom or something...

First person to buy one please post a pic of it here...

Brenno
QLD, 898 posts
22 May 2016 2:44PM
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Good way to get a wave to yourself. I for one wouldn't want to be anywhere near it.....

colas
5364 posts
22 May 2016 4:05PM
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Chopsup said..
Its funny how they had to cobble this together and it definitely looks like its all been thrown together quickly to stop everyone looking at naish. The shorter boards being ridden in that video looks like hard work and that race board looks like it has its bum cut off and a section added to support the foil in a mad panic!


Most probably, the usual Starboard way: use other brands gear, and photoshop it afterwards.
Actually, they didnt bother to mask the "AA" logo of Alex Aguera on it (alexaguera.com/go-foils/) on the other hand, they specifically say "Go Foil"... so they clearly advertise they are AA foils... so why the masking?

It looks like they just bought some off-the shelf foils and have a little R&D session published quickly to counter Naish marketing.

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
22 May 2016 6:17PM
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Naish seem to be doing a better job of it. Kai's video makes it look like fun and the Naish product release looks like a real product.

www.naishsurfing.com/2017-malolo-sup-foilboard-hydrofoil/

I would be interested in knowing how the Malolo goes without the foil for all those no swell days.

Similarly, could you get the Malolo into a wave up on the foil then go surfing?

I wonder if you need a really ****ing long paddle?

colas
5364 posts
22 May 2016 4:37PM
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On the SUP foil topic, please do not forget the true pionnier: Bruno André

His blog: tendance-innovation.blogspot.com/

His latest video, with the full ride and the eerie sound of the foil at speed:



He already posted SUP foil videos 6 years ago:



And his company sells a production foil board that can be SUPed or Windsurfed: www.ahd-boards.com/models/sealion-wings-2/

GizzieNZ
4103 posts
22 May 2016 4:45PM
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all that jumping and hopping and bouncing.......rabbits and baby goats do it a lot more gracefully

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
22 May 2016 7:22PM
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I still don't see the point ? Isn't it about surfing the wave face downwinders I get but foil surfing no Bueno

Chopsup
SA, 123 posts
22 May 2016 7:48PM
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I watched the starboard video again, and really think it's not a good look! They seriously look to be struggling on those waves pumping. It looks like they said quick we need to film our number one guy on one and that was the first session?

And on the wave surfing with a foil, there is a video of Laird Hamilton riding a foil board and it's on big fat waves, that's where they will shine.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
22 May 2016 11:14PM
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All that hopping reminds me of this..



maxeaus
NSW, 326 posts
22 May 2016 11:24PM
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If I took one of those out to my local break I would be lynched, personally I thought the hypernut board was crap to begin with, I can see why Starboard might try whack a foil on it and try sell them for 5k +, my favourite part though is how no one can wear a leg rope with one in the faint hope of not killing yourself but more than likely slicing some poor unfortunate person in your vicinity in two.

Starboard must think we are all just bloody idiots by using someone else's equipment and shading it out.

charlieuk
355 posts
23 May 2016 3:35AM
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I built my own short race board and foil set up and got it on some small waves last week, it felt almost the same as surfing the surface, going down the line and turning except it was silent and with far less resistance and much more glide. It will be perfect for surfing waves that are not currently surfed by any form of craft, I'm just hoping it doesn't catch on two quick and i have a few years of waves to myself!

windsurftom
NSW, 389 posts
23 May 2016 6:12AM
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colas said..
On the SUP foil topic, please do not forget the true pionnier: Bruno André

His blog: tendance-innovation.blogspot.com/

His latest video, with the full ride and the eerie sound of the foil at speed:



He already posted SUP foil videos 6 years ago:



And his company sells a production foil board that can be SUPed or Windsurfed: www.ahd-boards.com/models/sealion-wings-2/



How graceful does that AHD with Bruno look on the wave...

Compare it to starboard and all that ****ty pumping, if you're going to do it... do it right.

Kais foil downwinding looks pretty graceful too and the Malolo board looks the right shape to control while foiling, the starboard looks too long and unbalanced

crakas
QLD, 462 posts
23 May 2016 10:34AM
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DavidJohn said..
All that hopping reminds me of this..





I was trying to remember what that thing was, cause like you, the fellas riding style reminded me of it.

I reckon Hobie will modify a mirage eclipse to have a foil with a mirage drive. We will have hordes of people scooting around the waterways at 15knts face planting into their board due to hitting submerged obstructions.....

ShireSUP
NSW, 982 posts
23 May 2016 10:49AM
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Do they come in a 10' version and can you nose ride them

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
23 May 2016 10:55AM
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[b]maxeaus said..[/b]

Starboard must think we are all just bloody idiots by using someone else's equipment and shading it out.


Starboard is being fairly transparent in saying it is a GoFoil product that they are licensing. No doubt GoFoil has done the hard yards in R&D and if this thing works, I hope they have some well defined patents in place to stop the copycats and to ensure they receive their dues. The blurring in the video is to safeguard the design at least until it appears in shops.

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
23 May 2016 10:59AM
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The promise of foiling is the ability to ride unbroken waves. Imagine getting out on the ocean with a 2m swell running and catching a swell. You could surf without needing a bar or reef for the wave to break on. No shore break to battle through.

The height of the mast gets added to the "wave" height so the apparent wave size is much bigger.

It remains to be seen whether the current crop of SUP foils will deliver this. We seem to be in the second age of foils and this time around they're definitely here to stay for kiting (and probably windsurfing). Hopefully SUP foiling can take advantage of the rest of the foil developments that are happening.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
23 May 2016 11:00AM
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windsurftom said..
Kais foil downwinding looks pretty graceful too and the Malolo board looks the right shape to control while foiling, the starboard looks too long and unbalanced


It's pretty obvious that Starboard is literally a chopped off All Star, hence the apparent lack of balance. They haven't even gone to the trouble of concealing that fact by throwing some colour matched spray paint over the cut. On one hand it's disappointing not to see the final shape, but on the other hand, I appreciate that they are not really attempting to mislead anyone with the wrong board. No doubt there will be more details to follow.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
23 May 2016 11:02AM
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ShireSUP said..

Do they come in a 10' version and can you nose ride them


The Naish is a 10'4". I'm tipping the Starboard will be about the same.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
23 May 2016 11:59AM
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Doesn't the board become somewhat irrelevant with a foil?

BrisKites
QLD, 1292 posts
23 May 2016 12:31PM
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teatrea said..
Doesn't the board become somewhat irrelevant with a foil?


If the board is too long the nose will dig in when you pitch the foil down. Too short and the board wont have the glide required to generate the speed on a runner.

Piros
QLD, 7213 posts
23 May 2016 2:08PM
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teatrea said..
Doesn't the board become somewhat irrelevant with a foil?



For Surfing:-

No you need the paddle speed & stability to paddle onto a wave. I've been playing around with it and have a 8-6 and 8-2 Sups set up with foils. The 8-2 is definitely easier to raise to the foil but harder to catch the wave. So the board still plays a very important part. What's the ideal size and shape ? still working on that one

BrisKites said.

If the board is too long the nose will dig in when you pitch the foil down. Too short and the board wont have the glide required to generate the speed on a runner.

Not really it's more the leverage point on the Mast , too much in front just won't let the foil up , too much behind the foil will rise too high and cavitate and drop. It's a fine balance and the closer you get the Mast mounting point to the sweet spot the easier it is too ride and set the trim.

colas
5364 posts
23 May 2016 2:20PM
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Chopsup said..
I watched the starboard video again, and really think it's not a good look! They seriously look to be struggling on those waves pumping.


Actually, on non-breaking waves especially, a lot of the wave power happens under the surface.

So basically, with the foil, you surf in 3D the underwater waves.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
23 May 2016 5:16PM
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I reckon it's awesome , for the days it suits. You don't take a knife to a gunfightunless your chuck norris

Loz79
QLD, 459 posts
23 May 2016 5:21PM
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I'm sorry but i just don't get it!, maybe i need to try one and then ill get what all the fuss is about??? or maybe it will be another fading fad like the Slate type boards from last year???....Just seems a bit strange to me.....

Scott79
QLD, 209 posts
23 May 2016 5:35PM
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Won't be long before there is a "Paddle length for SUP Foil?" thread...



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