SUP and surf foil videos

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JB said..
Here is some of the waves from this morning's session on the Naish Hokua X32 7'10" I Foil Mounted yesterday.

This board really surprised me in how well it foiled. I mean I knew it would work and be reasonably good, but never thought it would paddle so fast and easily onto waves/swells (as you'll see it's barley breaking). This has proven to be a really good combo. Look at how few strokes it takes to get on these runs.

Board - 2015 Naish Hokua X32 7'10" GT.
Foil - 2018 Naish Thrust Surf Large.
Mount - Foil Mount Australia.
Mast position - 20" from the tail to the back of the mast.
Location - Collaroy Beach.
Conditions - Very small and hardly breaking. Mainly riding swells.

Enjoy,

Ride safe,

JB

Nice music. Soothing my soul

Nice JB one thing I really noticed is how stable & smooth the foil is in turns compared to the Go Foil it's a bit more twitchy. I'm guessing that's to do with the flatter rear stabilizer ......

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DavidJohn said..

cantSUPenough said..

JB said..

Warning - Once you get this dialed you will be addicted! This is way too much fun. I now have 2 foiling SUP's, 2 x Prone Surf Foilboards and a Wind Foil Board - and I want more! Can't foil enough .

Enjoy,

Ride safe,

JB

Sounds great! I do have a raptor I would like to use, but maybe I should try the X32 (I have an 8'8 X32 but it would be too big). Glad to hear they are running lessons - I would rather not flounder about if I can avoid it.

My understanding is that controlling a foil board on a wave is quite different to a surf sup - do you struggle at all when you get back on a normal surf sup?

Jason I'm thinking about using a foil on my big 9'6"x 32 Hokua so I'm sure your 8'8" will be fine.

Thanks David. Is your Hokua the LE (mine is)? I wonder if that construction will be OK with a stick-on plate as against a glassed-in box? I could put a plate on the Hokua and the Raptor and choose which one suits the conditions (and skill level). Looking forward to trying!

cantSUPenough said.. I wonder if that construction will be OK with a stick-on plate as against a glassed-in box?

Yes any production board is fine , I have stuck them onto everything, the only failure I had was a custom Sup I made with only one layer of 6 oz. The board slightly delamed but was never going to fall off. The plates are also removable , just use a thin wire to pull them off and you can re buy the 3m tape to apply to another board.

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JB said..
It is fine for you to have an opinion, and I am sure many love you sharing your wealth of knowledge here, but when you're somewhat arguing with the greater and far more experienced foiling community, it can case confusion to possible newbies.

Well, I dont see it this way. Here (Hossegor area) I am still one of the only ones to foil. Why? because some SUP/surfers with no previous foiling experience just grabbed a foil, stick it under their board and went in the waves... and broke their gear, or even got hurt, and quit. And they stayed silent about it...

So, making sure people are aware of the small details (centered position, straps, and more generally my experience as a non-foiler) that will make progress easier is worth it, even if these are not useful for people with previous foil experience. For instance, I do not push people to use straps if they have already kitefoiled.

Moreover, I find it a bit strange to be told "don't use straps, nobody uses them", by the same people also post videos with people using straps (and it was even the majority at the last hawaian event).

And finally, a food for thought: Bruno Andre' is far, far, more experienced in foiling than anybody else. Should we blindly obey all his advice?

PS: It remind me the outrage I got when promoting sub-7' SUP boards.... "they will never work", "all the Hawaiian legends use 10' boards"...

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colas said..
I am still one of the only ones to foil. Why?

Cause it is crap!!!

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colas said..
PS: It remind me the outrage I got when promoting sub-7' SUP boards....

They are crap!!!









Sorry could not resist

Don't let them get you down Colas all in good fun. Tu es fantastique!

And I answered just before, giving the template for the Gong foil that was given on the Gong forum. As you can see on it, it means the rear of the foil box is 35cm aft from the rear of the handle, and Patrice also instructs to angle the box so that the main wing underside is horizontal relative to the board floating line. (you wont trick me again in saying anything about the distance from the tail :-)

Note that this template does seem similar (for the position of the straps relative to the handle) to how Dave Kalama sets up the boards he sells, meaning you most probably can comfortably paddle DK boards while in the straps. But of course the setup will vary with the type of foil, specifically the position of its center of lift. (And I suspect the angles of the wing and the stabilizer)

www.desksta.com/media/BVXnP9Nh5gp

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colas said..

JB said..
It is fine for you to have an opinion, and I am sure many love you sharing your wealth of knowledge here, but when you're somewhat arguing with the greater and far more experienced foiling community, it can case confusion to possible newbies.

Well, I dont see it this way. Here (Hossegor area) I am still one of the only ones to foil. Why? because some SUP/surfers with no previous foiling experience just grabbed a foil, stick it under their board and went in the waves... and broke their gear, or even got hurt, and quit. And they stayed silent about it...

So, making sure people are aware of the small details (centered position, straps, and more generally my experience as a non-foiler) that will make progress easier is worth it, even if these are not useful for people with previous foil experience. For instance, I do not push people to use straps if they have already kitefoiled.

Moreover, I find it a bit strange to be told "don't use straps, nobody uses them", by the same people also post videos with people using straps (and it was even the majority at the last hawaian event).

And finally, a food for thought: Bruno Andre' is far, far, more experienced in foiling than anybody else. Should we blindly obey all his advice?

PS: It remind me the outrage I got when promoting sub-7' SUP boards.... "they will never work", "all the Hawaiian legends use 10' boards"...

LOL, I think this is going to be one of those going on for ever conversations

There is always going to be idiots that rush in and stuff up. It always amazes me when people ask for a go of my foil. They're like I can surf so I'll be able to do it, right? This is a totally different sport, new in every way.

To me it seems you believe people should mount their foils forward so that it's easier for those first sessions. But then what? sell the board because it has a goofy mid-mount. I know you don;t believe in getting behind the boat, but you can learn perfectly safely with a rear mount behind a boat and then get straight into riding. I am watching first time foilers, guys that are not good surfers, total newby's get foiling dialed and relatively quickly. Just by learning the right way behind a boat and taking their time. Then they can mount their board correctly (in my opinion) and have an awesome board that is properly balanced.

I agree with you on getting information out there. And applaud how much time and energy you put into it even if I don't agree you you on everything.

Again with the straps!!! use them don't use them, what ever. But if you learn properly and pay attention to whats going on, you don;t need them for general riding (again in my opinion).

Age does not make one smart . Again, I don't know Bruno, I'm sure he's an ace.

I think you'll find GONG are the only brand making sub 7' boards. over 85% of SUP's sold in Australia are over 9' and approx. <2% are under 8'. hmm. (just made these numbers up from my memory of our last stats, but I can check if you'd like a better break down).

Chill out and enjoy the glide Colas. I am watching guys learning and getting good very quickly using the theory I believe.

Ride safe,

JB

Alley-oop..

Far out how amazing was that , still look boring Hilly

That kid is killing it

Wonder if he landed it

It's getting silly now??how long till we see some mad bastard take on massive waves.

can you adjust where the mast sits on the fuselage or is that fixed?

After our (gentle) flame war on feet positions, are we ready for another one on hands position? :-)


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