Select to expand quotefrenchfoiler said..
Just got the 810 to try. It goes with the BS fuselage, and I have the ultrashort. I was expected this front wing to be thinner, it is not as thin as the 980.
Wingspan : 810mm
Chord : 155 mm
Actal area : 1070 cm2 / 166 in2
Volume : 1284 cm3
Aspect ratio : 6.42
I will let you know what I think, I should be able to ride it soon.
The 980 is incredibly thin! The 810 being the BSC series I would expect it to be thicker but still quite thin.
Looking forward to your review. Prone ?
How are these black wings working for prone?
I'm not sure whether to replace my 1010 wing, which is great for small SUP and flatwater pumping. Tempted to get something more turny, but still want good pumping and low stall speed.
Select to expand quotejatem said..
How are these black wings working for prone?
I'm not sure whether to replace my 1010 wing, which is great for small SUP and flatwater pumping. Tempted to get something more turny, but still want good pumping and low stall speed.
The HPS have great speed, turn and pump but not a very low stall speed like the 1010. The BSC has better carve, great pump with lower stall speed.
I really like the 1050 on crazy short fuselage and 370 rear to sup the small stuff that Florida provides.
Has anyone noticed any differences between the prototypes 980 and the production one which is slightly bigger in cm2 ?
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..
Has anyone noticed any differences between the prototypes 980 and the production one which is slightly bigger in cm2 ?
I had a nice talk with the US distributor about this. They made about 80-100 of the V1 980 wing, but during testing they found the other sizes of the HPS series performed a little better in the surf, and they had more rounded wing tips. So they modified the tips of the 980 (V2) to make it better in the surf and more similar to the other sizes. So the more rounded wing tips is where the extra cm2 comes from. The foil section is same in both versions. The guys on the V1 love them and say they are super fast, but the downwind guys say they are really hard to get the V1 wings back up if they come off foil. V2 has better low end lift and is a bit more user friendly in the surf.
I just got a V2, looking forward to giving it a go. Haven't had a chance to ride the V1, but might be able to switch with a guy in the future to see if I notice much difference.
ues i have the 980 and 'b' series fuse. im running a very small tail stab on ultra short fuse and 5"0 fanatic...
ive GPS speed tested the 980 - i cant get speed to anywhere past 34kmph.it doesnt cavitate - just tops out. (no threat of breach or anything) just as fast as i can go on it.
glide is excellent. its up early too.
my previous front wing of choice was my 1000... loved this wing. top speed was a touch slower for me (i could only get 31kmph out of it before cavitation and crash....
the wings feel similar - however the 980 feels fast - it feels keen to leap and feedback through the foil is more direct... you can feel the energy of the lumps you cut through in chop.
im loving the 980 and probably will go the next size down as well... im 80 kgs and 2 years ding ding experience...
hope that helps guys...
go axis ! thanks for the fast wing :)
ues i have the 980 and 'b' series fuse. im running a very small tail stab on ultra short fuse and 5"0 fanatic...
ive GPS speed tested the 980 - i cant get speed to anywhere past 34kmph.it doesnt cavitate - just tops out. (no threat of breach or anything) just as fast as i can go on it.
glide is excellent. its up early too.
my previous front wing of choice was my 1000... loved this wing. top speed was a touch slower for me (i could only get 31kmph out of it before cavitation and crash....
the wings feel similar - however the 980 feels fast - it feels keen to leap and feedback through the foil is more direct... you can feel the energy of the lumps you cut through in chop.
im loving the 980 and probably will go the next size down as well... im 80 kgs and 2 years ding ding experience...
hope that helps guys...
go axis ! thanks for the fast wing :)
Select to expand quotefrenchfoiler said..
Just got the 810 to try. It goes with the BS fuselage, and I have the ultrashort. I was expected this front wing to be thinner, it is not as thin as the 980.
Wingspan : 810mm
Chord : 155 mm
Actal area : 1070 cm2 / 166 in2
Volume : 1284 cm3
Aspect ratio : 6.42
I will let you know what I think, I should be able to ride it soon.
I friend Martin (really good foiler) tried the 810 with ultra short fus and alu 75cm 16mm mast and 370 stab with prone 4'4.
I guess it would work better with a different stab, maybe the new 420 ?
Martin is used to the 900 so it was interesting to have him on the 810.
He was definetly more comfortable for turning and hitting the whitewash with the 810 than on the 900.
There is his report :
- take off : it has more lift than the 900, but needs more speed right at the beginning to really take off and be comfortable (with the 900 whatever I take off on I can turn and start pumping towards wherever I want).
- speed : it feels like the speed is quite the same, however the acceleration in powerful sections is faster, more stable and more comfortable than on the 900, which helps a lot to prepare maneuvers.
- Maniability : in one hour of testing only I can attest that it turns better and smoother than on the 900. I've never felt comfortable enough to really attack the whitewater with the 900, but during this morning session with the 810 it naturally felt good to attack these tricky sections.
- Pumping : the 810 felt less easy to pump than the 900 but I was still able to make many connections. I think I need to get more used to the wing or take a bigger tailwing to match the 900 pumping abilities but it already felt really satisfying. I can however feel that this wing needs to get out of waves with more speed than the 900 to be efficient on the pumping.
Loving my HPS880 both on the wing and kite. Incredible glide and speed. Glad I waited for the smaller size after trying the 980 last year for my 77kg.
My mate who prone foils with it swears by it too. Finally Axis makes a foil that doesn't have too much lift. Time to sell off all my S series gear 
Select to expand quotebigmtn said..Alysum said..
Has anyone noticed any differences between the prototypes 980 and the production one which is slightly bigger in cm2 ?
I had a nice talk with the US distributor about this. They made about 80-100 of the V1 980 wing, but during testing they found the other sizes of the HPS series performed a little better in the surf, and they had more rounded wing tips. So they modified the tips of the 980 (V2) to make it better in the surf and more similar to the other sizes. So the more rounded wing tips is where the extra cm2 comes from. The foil section is same in both versions. The guys on the V1 love them and say they are super fast, but the downwind guys say they are really hard to get the V1 wings back up if they come off foil. V2 has better low end lift and is a bit more user friendly in the surf.
I just got a V2, looking forward to giving it a go. Haven't had a chance to ride the V1, but might be able to switch with a guy in the future to see if I notice much difference.
I tried a S980 with 1253 actual/ 1218 projected area, must have been a v1 I guess?
I didn't like it, my S860 turns much nicer , pumps just as good with a lower stall speed and gets flying much easier.
All the foils I like are no more than 920 wide and are low or mid aspect until now I only use the S1010 and S1150 supfoiling when the waves are less than knee high, and I don't like them at all for winging.
But I suppose I will have to try a V2 S980.
Select to expand quoteCamarillo said..bigmtn said..Alysum said..
Has anyone noticed any differences between the prototypes 980 and the production one which is slightly bigger in cm2 ?
I had a nice talk with the US distributor about this. They made about 80-100 of the V1 980 wing, but during testing they found the other sizes of the HPS series performed a little better in the surf, and they had more rounded wing tips. So they modified the tips of the 980 (V2) to make it better in the surf and more similar to the other sizes. So the more rounded wing tips is where the extra cm2 comes from. The foil section is same in both versions. The guys on the V1 love them and say they are super fast, but the downwind guys say they are really hard to get the V1 wings back up if they come off foil. V2 has better low end lift and is a bit more user friendly in the surf.
I just got a V2, looking forward to giving it a go. Haven't had a chance to ride the V1, but might be able to switch with a guy in the future to see if I notice much difference.
I tried a S980 with 1253 actual/ 1218 projected area, must have been a v1 I guess?
I didn't like it, my S860 turns much nicer , pumps just as good with a lower stall speed and gets flying much easier.
All the foils I like are no more than 920 wide and are low or mid aspect until now I only use the S1010 and S1150 supfoiling when the waves are less than knee high, and I don't like them at all for winging.
But I suppose I will have to try a V2 S980.
You are comparing two very different wings. SP860 as the the SP name indicates it, it's a Surf Performance wing which is all about turning/carving hard with the gull shape. They are a LOT thicker than the HPS wings. With HPS you get more glide and speed and at the end of the day it's a personal preference for what is more important to you.
Larry Foiler alternates between his HPS, BSC and SP wings depending on activity, conditions and what he wants to do when you have the luxury to have all the foils.
I didn't think I would enjoy the HPS880 when I kite foiled with it thinking it would be too wide and hard to carve and I ended up enjoying it
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.
Yeah there are a lot of options but you can only use one at a time. I recon 2-3 foils max 1010 glide series and 860 pretty much cover everything.
Select to expand quoteJocko10 said..eppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.
Yeah there are a lot of options but you can only use one at a time. I recon 2-3 foils max 1010 glide series and 860 pretty much cover everything.
The problem with all S series is they all have too much lift. The red fuselage has an angle of incidence of about 5 deg which creates a lot of front foot pressure and you need to shim the tail.
Now with the black series than angle is a lot smaller (2 deg I think) and the new foils are SO much more efficient. The glide and speed is huge. It's another world.
Agree you only need about 2/3 wings once you've worked out the range
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..Jocko10 said..eppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.
Yeah there are a lot of options but you can only use one at a time. I recon 2-3 foils max 1010 glide series and 860 pretty much cover everything.
The problem with all S series is they all have too much lift. The red fuselage has an angle of incidence of about 5 deg which creates a lot of front foot pressure and you need to shim the tail.
Now with the black series than angle is a lot smaller (2 deg I think) and the new foils are SO much more efficient. The glide and speed is huge. It's another world.
Agree you only need about 2/3 wings once you've worked out the range
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
Select to expand quoteshaka808 said..Alysum said..Jocko10 said..eppo said..
Jesus is it just me or is axis is just pumping out way too many options. It's like we are paying lab rats.
Yeah there are a lot of options but you can only use one at a time. I recon 2-3 foils max 1010 glide series and 860 pretty much cover everything.
The problem with all S series is they all have too much lift. The red fuselage has an angle of incidence of about 5 deg which creates a lot of front foot pressure and you need to shim the tail.
Now with the black series than angle is a lot smaller (2 deg I think) and the new foils are SO much more efficient. The glide and speed is huge. It's another world.
Agree you only need about 2/3 wings once you've worked out the range
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
Good stuff ! Yeah I think the 700 is my next one to go with my 880 & 1050 
Keen to hear if anyone is using the 700 for wing in big conditions as for now the 880 should be fine mostly 
Select to expand quoteshaka808 said..
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
Yup, I've got the same 3 wing quiver. All super fun!
Which tails are you using for the 810 and 700? Shims? Weight?
I've used the 700 a couple times for winging, and its crazy fast and loose. Super fun in the waves. Looking forward to towing with it.
Select to expand quoteshaka808 said..
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
So you have the HPS980,HPS700 BSC810.
Only prone no winging?
Why did you not get 3 HPS wings or 3 BSC wings?
Wich foils would you choose if you would have to start from scratch and and all HPS and BSC foils were available?
Select to expand quotebigmtn said..shaka808 said..
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
Yup, I've got the same 3 wing quiver. All super fun!
Which tails are you using for the 810 and 700? Shims? Weight?
I've used the 700 a couple times for winging, and its crazy fast and loose. Super fun in the waves. Looking forward to towing with it.
So you also went for a mix of 2 HPS and 1 BSC foil...
How much wind do you need for the 700 and how much do you weigh?
Select to expand quoteCamarillo said..shaka808 said..
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
So you have the HPS980,HPS700 BSC810.
Only prone no winging?
Why did you not get 3 HPS wings or 3 BSC wings?
Wich foils would you choose if you would have to start from scratch and and all HPS and BSC foils were available?
There's a bit of a gap between HPS 700 and 880 maybe that's why... Wondering whether axis will release more.
Select to expand quoteCamarillo said..
So you also went for a mix of 2 HPS and 1 BSC foil...
How much wind do you need for the 700 and how much do you weigh?
75kg
Only used 700 twice, both prob had wind in the 18-20+ range, 4m f-one swing. 71L 4'9 board. Little harder to get up, but once up I didn't have problem with transitions, but was on waves so I'd use the wave energy to make the transitions easier. Foil feels squirrelly compared to other wings, so took a bit to get used to. Used 340 tail. Tried 460 tail, but felt like it wanted to slide too much. I've heard 420 tail works real well with it.
For riding waves and carving the 810 is really fun. Only winged with it once, but looking forward to getting it into better waves. It has a lot of lift, so need to put farther back in tracks than the hps wings.
Select to expand quoteAlysum said.... Wondering whether axis will release more.
Just what you need is more wings from Axis
Select to expand quotehilly said..Alysum said.... Wondering whether axis will release more.
Just what you need is more wings from Axis
Of course. There's never enough
Select to expand quotebigmtn said..Camarillo said..
So you also went for a mix of 2 HPS and 1 BSC foil...
How much wind do you need for the 700 and how much do you weigh?
75kg
Only used 700 twice, both prob had wind in the 18-20+ range, 4m f-one swing. 71L 4'9 board. Little harder to get up, but once up I didn't have problem with transitions, but was on waves so I'd use the wave energy to make the transitions easier. Foil feels squirrelly compared to other wings, so took a bit to get used to. Used 340 tail. Tried 460 tail, but felt like it wanted to slide too much. I've heard 420 tail works real well with it.
Yep try the 420. Fast and zero skidding 
I need that 700. Should be really good for kite as well
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..bigmtn said..Camarillo said..
So you also went for a mix of 2 HPS and 1 BSC foil...
How much wind do you need for the 700 and how much do you weigh?
75kg
Only used 700 twice, both prob had wind in the 18-20+ range, 4m f-one swing. 71L 4'9 board. Little harder to get up, but once up I didn't have problem with transitions, but was on waves so I'd use the wave energy to make the transitions easier. Foil feels squirrelly compared to other wings, so took a bit to get used to. Used 340 tail. Tried 460 tail, but felt like it wanted to slide too much. I've heard 420 tail works real well with it.
Yep try the 420. Fast and zero skidding
I need that 700. Should be really good for kite as well
I'm waiting for the 380. Same as 420, just a bit smaller.
Select to expand quoteHdip said..
Sorry bill lafc exclusive.
at least show them the picture you tease. ??
Looks good. Was extracting a smaller chord though. I'll keep 420 for light wind when the 380 comes out
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..Camarillo said..shaka808 said..
I'm riding the 810 the majority of the time now, amazing prone wing. I still ride the 980 when its small, and I now have the 700 for the really big days. 3 wings and I'm covered!
So you have the HPS980,HPS700 BSC810.
Only prone no winging?
Why did you not get 3 HPS wings or 3 BSC wings?
Wich foils would you choose if you would have to start from scratch and and all HPS and BSC foils were available?
There's a bit of a gap between HPS 700 and 880 maybe that's why... Wondering whether axis will release more.
Well if History and trend is any gauge I'd say it's not if, but when. 
I'm also 75kgs. Only proning. Wanted the 740 for my small wing as I really like the 810 in the surf, but no idea when it will be available so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the 700. I've only been riding a 14" Kane tail for a while now. Fast and no skidding.
Select to expand quoteshaka808 said..
I'm also 75kgs. Only proning. Wanted the 740 for my small wing as I really like the 810 in the surf, but no idea when it will be available so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the 700. I've only been riding a 14" Kane tail for a while now. Fast and no skidding.
The HPS 700 has a chord of 160 mm and the BSC 740 has a chord of 140 mm...
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit#gid=0
I would have expected the 700 to have a chord of 140 mm
Winging: changed from last year Slingshot (84, 76) to Axis 84kg
Got during winter PNG1150/460 with short fusselage: disappointing - had "spin-outs", no short turns possible. Ordered 370 and ultrashort fussellage....
Monday I tried my PNG 1150/370 combo with new ultrashort (instead of short) fusselage - perfect loose feeling! thats my optimal 6-5m2, low wind combo (+7kn).
Same day wind picked up (only 11kn!!) and I tried my new HSP 980 first time - 980/460 (ultrashort) combo - extremly fast, did not think it will fly at only 11kn - no problem at all, take up speed with front-foot pressure - pump, release -> up and foiling. interestingly no spinouts with 460 - fits to this setup (cut tips now to 430 to be looser - can report next time)
Happy so far with Axis, but I am looking forward to my already ordered 420 and 380 and the announced BSC970.
Rear-wings are as important, as front wings - changes everything....
My future winging quiver (for 84kg):
Light wind: PNG1150/420/ultrashort
High wind: HSP980/380/ultrashort
Day to day fun: BSC970/370/ultrashort
looking forward to learn about 420/380 experiences....
Wings: 6m, 4m, 3,3m Echo, 5m Unit
Board: 6,3 Fanatic - (ordered: 5,4 Quatro)
