Select to expand quoteDonk107 said..BJRobinson said..
The maritime officer that took me out to choose my mooring last December gave me his card. He said to contact him if i had any questions. I texted him today asking the question. He came back with the answer of yes.
In the meantime I called RMS on 13 12 56 and they put me through to a few people. The final bloke I spoke to, who understood what i was talking about, told me you needed an anchor light while on a courtesy mooring. I don't know what his position was.
So 2 officials said yes you need the light.
Hi BJ
Did you ask them if the rule is different for private moorings because this is what the NSW Boating Handbook says
MOORING AREAS On many waterways in NSW, areas are set aside for the mooring of vessels. These vessels are not required to be lit at night and the masters of other vessels must be aware of the location of such moorings. Check local maps or charts, or contact your local Roads and Maritime centre for details of mooring areas.
Regards Don
Hi Don.
No I didnt sorry.
But you are right. Private moorings are different and don't need a light.
I have pulled into one of the few safe anchoring areas on the bottom of the Yorke peninsula late one night and needed to carefully negotiate around numerous unlit boats on moorings. Luckily there was no damage done on the windy, moonless night.
I would suggest it would be in your interest to have an anchor light, regardless of what the regs are. Fork out $10 for a good quality garden light if you cant afford a 5 watt solar panel.
Select to expand quoteAusCan said..
I have pulled into one of the few safe anchoring areas on the bottom of the Yorke peninsula late one night and needed to carefully negotiate around numerous unlit boats on moorings. Luckily there was no damage done on the windy, moonless night.
I would suggest it would be in your interest to have an anchor light, regardless of what the regs are. Fork out $10 for a good quality garden light if you cant afford a 5 watt solar panel.
Hi AusCan
So you are suggesting that everyone on their private mooring install a light that is on every night, all night?
Select to expand quoteAusCan said..
I have pulled into one of the few safe anchoring areas on the bottom of the Yorke peninsula late one night and needed to carefully negotiate around numerous unlit boats on moorings. Luckily there was no damage done on the windy, moonless night.
I would suggest it would be in your interest to have an anchor light, regardless of what the regs are. Fork out $10 for a good quality garden light if you cant afford a 5 watt solar panel.
This is the reason why I avoid a lot of otherwise fine anchorages when arriving at night, such as American River on Kangaroo Island, where you'll find dozens of moored boats helter skelter and nary a light on any of them. Edithburgh on Yorke Peninsula is almost as bad.
I should clarify that these are all private moorings but specific positions are not on charts, just the general area.
If it was _my_ boat on a mooring, I would invest in a cheap solar-powered light.
If you are regularly motoring through crowded areas at night, wouldn't it be easier to fix a spot light or two on your boat instead of expecting everyone to put lights on theirs?Which will never happen.
Select to expand quoteBJRobinson said..
If you are regularly motoring through crowded areas at night, wouldn't it be easier to fix a spot light or two on your boat instead of expecting everyone to put lights on theirs?Which will never happen.
One better, fit a thermal camera. I am just about to fit a new Flir camera to my boat ready for when we head north in June.
Select to expand quoteBJRobinson said..
If you are regularly motoring through crowded areas at night, wouldn't it be easier to fix a spot light or two on your boat instead of expecting everyone to put lights on theirs?Which will never happen.
Yes, that's definitely on my to-do list. For now, I usually just send someone up on the bow with a high-powered torch. Usually I just avoid the crowded anchorages though, which is usually easy enough in SA.
Select to expand quotescruzin said..BJRobinson said..
If you are regularly motoring through crowded areas at night, wouldn't it be easier to fix a spot light or two on your boat instead of expecting everyone to put lights on theirs?Which will never happen.
Yes, that's definitely on my to-do list. For now, I usually just send someone up on the bow with a high-powered torch. Usually I just avoid the crowded anchorages though, which is usually easy enough in SA.Select to expand quotescruzin said..BJRobinson said..
If you are regularly motoring through crowded areas at night, wouldn't it be easier to fix a spot light or two on your boat instead of expecting everyone to put lights on theirs?Which will never happen.
Yes, that's definitely on my to-do list. For now, I usually just send someone up on the bow with a high-powered torch. Usually I just avoid the crowded anchorages though, which is usually easy enough in SA.
Did you abort your trip to flinders island scruzin?
Select to expand quoteJode5 said..BJRobinson said..
If you are regularly motoring through crowded areas at night, wouldn't it be easier to fix a spot light or two on your boat instead of expecting everyone to put lights on theirs?Which will never happen.
One better, fit a thermal camera. I am just about to fit a new Flir camera to my boat ready for when we head north in June.
Flir camrea jode5?
Last year i sailed to Noumea and no one had anchor lights in the harbour, nearly hit a boat, had to swerve to miss it
And you wouldn't believe it, it was the only boat with an anchor light
Select to expand quoteJode5 said..
I have said many times don't comment on things you know nothing about. I am also a qualified Thermographer and this is why I am keen to fit one to my boat. In short a thermal camera will see objects of different temperatures, it does not matter if the sea is hotter or colder than the object, all you get is different colours or shading. Thermal cameras do not recognise colour, though different materials can give of different colours for the same temperature, this is called 'emmisivity'. It all comes down to calibration and knowing what you are looking at, much the same as radar. There is very little chance of having an image with all objects having the same temperature and the same emmissivity. I am sure you have seen images from police helicopters with night vision which is a thermal camera. Nothing is perfect but thermal imaging is a long way better than any thing else. Just ask anyone in the armed forces. PS moon or moonless or even daylight make no difference to thermal imaging as they do not recognise light. Don't mix infrared with thermal.
I was not having a go - it's just the video example was with sunlight heating surfaces, resulting in big temperature differences.
It's really the video example - it showed objects that you could normally see without aid. I just want to see a example when normal vision showed nothing (or close to) whereas thermal imaging picked it up.
Select to expand quoteAgent nods said..Jode5 said..
I have said many times don't comment on things you know nothing about. I am also a qualified Thermographer and this is why I am keen to fit one to my boat. In short a thermal camera will see objects of different temperatures, it does not matter if the sea is hotter or colder than the object, all you get is different colours or shading. Thermal cameras do not recognise colour, though different materials can give of different colours for the same temperature, this is called 'emmisivity'. It all comes down to calibration and knowing what you are looking at, much the same as radar. There is very little chance of having an image with all objects having the same temperature and the same emmissivity. I am sure you have seen images from police helicopters with night vision which is a thermal camera. Nothing is perfect but thermal imaging is a long way better than any thing else. Just ask anyone in the armed forces. PS moon or moonless or even daylight make no difference to thermal imaging as they do not recognise light. Don't mix infrared with thermal.
I was not having a go - it's just the video example was with sunlight heating surfaces, resulting in big temperature differences.
It's really the video example - it showed objects that you could normally see without aid. I just want to see a example when normal vision showed nothing (or close to) whereas thermal imaging picked it up.
It would make no difference whether day or night. We can adjust the temperature differential on our camera to 1 deg. Generally we would set the range from the approximate maximum temperature in view to the minimum temperature in view. With water you would set the water at about mid range, in Moreton Bay (at night) say 22deg upper temperature set at say 25 deg and lower temperature at 15deg a 10 deg range. You will still things outside that range but it will flare and the definition will be reduced. Thermal imaging is even more amazing in the dark. I don't know how they go in the rain as I have not had any experience using them in rain. It is the same as all electronics you need to know how to operate it.
Blimey, all a bit James Bond. I think I'll stick with the wife up the pointy end with a good torch.
Coming in to lake Macquarie in the dark the other day reminded me just how light inhabited areas are at night.
Off to eat me carrots.
Bristle
And l mentioned on the 'coffee thread' the sublime and the ridiculous. Bah...
Night vision cameras, infra red cameras and what else? KISS!
Seriously, l cracked up reading this thread.
Have some of us lost it completely?
After all sailing supposed to be fun, back to basics, wind in the face enjoyment not white knuckled, stressed out technological nightmare speeding through the night.
Or some of us just reduced it to striving for superiority? 
I just want a high quality bow mounted camrea that feeds to my tv for long range cruising
Select to expand quotesirgallivant said..
Damn l forgot.
I gotta get a tv!
Crikey !
Likewise. Top of the list.
Select to expand quoteBJRobinson said..
Do you need an anchor light when on a public / courtesy mooring at night?
Thanks.
I was taught that Anchor lights aren't needed in areas that are charted as mooring areas. So it would depend on where the mooring is.
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Select to expand quotesirgallivant said..
And l mentioned on the 'coffee thread' the sublime and the ridiculous. Bah...
Night vision cameras, infra red cameras and what else? KISS!
Seriously, l cracked up reading this thread.
Have some of us lost it completely?
After all sailing supposed to be fun, back to basics, wind in the face enjoyment not white knuckled, stressed out technological nightmare speeding through the night.
Or some of us just reduced it to striving for superiority?
Launch your own geostationary satellite and point it at your boat - surveillance, internet, you name it!
Me, I just listen to ABC radio.
Bristle
Select to expand quotesirgallivant said..
And l mentioned on the 'coffee thread' the sublime and the ridiculous. Bah...
Night vision cameras, infra red cameras and what else? KISS!
Seriously, l cracked up reading this thread.
Have some of us lost it completely?
After all sailing supposed to be fun, back to basics, wind in the face enjoyment not white knuckled, stressed out technological nightmare speeding through the night.
Or some of us just reduced it to striving for superiority?
Launch your own geostationary satellite and point it at your boat - surveillance, internet, you name it!
Me, I just listen to ABC radio.
Bristle
Select to expand quoteFreeRadical said..
So who displays an anchor ball during the day? What about inverted cone when motor sailing?
I always display a black ball when anchored, paint a polystyrene round float black, takes less than a minute to put up. The only time you might catch me without the ball is early the next morning if I have entered an anchorage during the night before. Never seen any other recreational vessel do so though.
You are too timid.
I politely insisted to make them quote the appropriate legislation.
I heard his brain freeze!
I was promised an email soon!
How soon.....?
As far as the Qld legislation is concerned, there is confusion btwn. up to 20 meter vessels and 7 meter + vessels.
It's a mess.
I did request where I could read it in writing & was told to go to the maritime site(???) & request it through the email contact form, which I haven't done yet.
Yes its a mess.
I cant believe this thread needed to go any further than twodogs first reply (which I still believe is correct).
I was told by the person that gives the fines out that you have to. So that is good enough for me.
Unless he can quote the legislation, it is a court case for me, sure!
Nobody could fine me without retribution just because 'it is written in the boating handbook'.
That is just not good enough.
