Select to expand quoteboty said..lydia said..
You mean the club with about 700 marina berths that got under 20 entries for their biggest club sailing event of the year.
That one!
maybe but not pointing fingers as sometimes it comes back at you
G'day BOTY,
so would you agree then that vandalizing peoples boats and contacting organisations they work for in their professional life to disparage their charatcer should be considered as unacceptable behaviour?
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..boty said..lydia said..
You mean the club with about 700 marina berths that got under 20 entries for their biggest club sailing event of the year.
That one!
maybe but not pointing fingers as sometimes it comes back at you
G'day BOTY,
so would you agree then that vandalizing peoples boats and contacting organisations they work for in their professional life to disparage their charatcer should be considered as unacceptable behaviour?
wasn't aware of the vandalizing bit till today but im sure all the other stuff that happened n the last 12 months has had a very negative result on club sailing in general in se QLD .the other clubs have benefitted as many of the other boats now sailing there but I think the overall result of big egos is a huge negative
on a lighter point we have a classic race this weekend from mud to straddie and no one cares who wins ,no club runs it, drinks on the beach afterwards with dingy racing no sailing politics much more fun
Select to expand quoteboty said..shaggybaxter said..boty said..lydia said..
You mean the club with about 700 marina berths that got under 20 entries for their biggest club sailing event of the year.
That one!
maybe but not pointing fingers as sometimes it comes back at you
G'day BOTY,
so would you agree then that vandalizing peoples boats and contacting organisations they work for in their professional life to disparage their charatcer should be considered as unacceptable behaviour?
wasn't aware of the vandalizing bit till today but im sure all the other stuff that happened n the last 12 months has had a very negative result on club sailing in general in se QLD .the other clubs have benefitted as many of the other boats now sailing there but I think the overall result of big egos is a huge negative
on a lighter point we have a classic race this weekend from mud to straddie and no one cares who wins ,no club runs it, drinks on the beach afterwards with dingy racing no sailing politics much more fun
And as this has absolutely zero to do with me aside from being used as a pawn in some ego driven bunfight, I couldn't agree more.
Best of luck to you in the race this weekend, we'll be out there so might drop in and say g'day.
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..boty said..shaggybaxter said..boty said..lydia said..
You mean the club with about 700 marina berths that got under 20 entries for their biggest club sailing event of the year.
That one!
maybe but not pointing fingers as sometimes it comes back at you
G'day BOTY,
so would you agree then that vandalizing peoples boats and contacting organisations they work for in their professional life to disparage their charatcer should be considered as unacceptable behaviour?
wasn't aware of the vandalizing bit till today but im sure all the other stuff that happened n the last 12 months has had a very negative result on club sailing in general in se QLD .the other clubs have benefitted as many of the other boats now sailing there but I think the overall result of big egos is a huge negative
on a lighter point we have a classic race this weekend from mud to straddie and no one cares who wins ,no club runs it, drinks on the beach afterwards with dingy racing no sailing politics much more fun
And as this has absolutely zero to do with me aside from being used as a pawn in some ego driven bunfight, I couldn't agree more.
Best of luck to you in the race this weekend, we'll be out there so might drop in and say g'day.
be great to see you with the NW forecast for Saturday night my guess is anchor at horseshoe 4 tasman seabirds sailing this weekend so class racing as well
Heres a contributing factor. Watch this interview of the skippers of the big 5 boats in this years Sydney to Hobart. Those who "set the example". Its hard to find any enthusiasm or spirit of fun among them and the skipper on right is openly rude and arrogant and complains about being there.
www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2019/pre-race/video-potential-line-honours-press-conference/
If you are still wondering about why club racing is ****ed have a read of the redress hearing at the Finn Gold Cup about the OCS
FFS
so the start boat calls ocs at 15 sec after the start
a name sailor is ocs
he says should have called ocs in 5 sec
start boat delay means I should have redress because I did not think I was over the line and did not go back when ocs was called at 15 sec
jury give him redress
so now responsibility for your ocs is a start boat problem
2 excellent examples right there............
RSHYR Interview - 100% agree. The gentleman on the right has got the dirts due to the sat phone blue............see here........
www.smh.com.au/sport/sailing/skipper-threatens-to-never-return-to-sydney-to-hobart-over-bushfire-smoke-ruling-20191224-p53mqp.html
I don't know the pros and cons of the radios behind the situation but as you say is is up to the skippers who make it into the media to portray a pleasant demeanour and understand they are publicizing the sport
OCS a start boat problem - yes complete shocker............
Select to expand quoteTrek said..
Heres a contributing factor. Watch this interview of the skippers of the big 5 boats in this years Sydney to Hobart. Those who "set the example". Its hard to find any enthusiasm or spirit of fun among them and the skipper on right is openly rude and arrogant and complains about being there.
www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2019/pre-race/video-potential-line-honours-press-conference/
To me, it looked more like a scripted reality TV show. There was "drama" with the obviously media trained nice guy versus the bad guy on the right. It would make for boring TV if they all come across as nice guys.
I don't think it was scripted - Nicho, Mark and F Witt are like that in real life.
F Witt 
well said. Even if the smoke effecting ssb was true (which is bs, fire maybe) all boats have same problem, why whinge!
The huge concentration on the big boats is a problem, though. The Fastnet is restricted to about 330 entries and they "sell out" in about ten minutes. They have about the same number of 50+ footers, fewer supermaxis, but huge numbers of smaller boats. There are about 160 boats rating under 1.05 in the Fastnet, compared to just 21 in the Hobart. The collapse of small boats in the Hobart, compared to the Fastnet and compared to earlier eras, seems to be a cause and a symbol of the collapse in sailing generally.
Certainly agree with the small boat numbers collapse symptom. Albeit must say that Ch7's S2H start coverage this year appeared to be a lot better than in the past, giving good air time to the Traditional 30 and Jarkan 925. So there seems to be evidence of listening there, which is getting less common these days..........
Select to expand quoteTrek said..
F Witt well said. Even if the smoke effecting ssb was true (which is bs, fire maybe) all boats have same problem, why whinge!
I think he has a point . Charlville have written to them saying that the smoke could possibly cause problems . Why not allow sat phone use in the case of SSB not working ? So the race committee may have to conceivably disqualify half the fleet under the rule .....
Maybe. There nothing wrong with the idea. It would be a pain though. The race committee then has to draft new rules and get them voted in and signed then distributed. Assign a dedicated phone number. Make allowances for no connection, identification of calls...etc More red tape. I dont know if sat phones are mandatory, if not they would then need to make a rule that all boats carry them.
Anyway, in the world of physics smoke has never been known to effect HF radio signals to my knowledge. VHF, UHF maybe a little. And the satphone he wants to use is UHF! Fire can by ionizing the air. The sun has a enormously bigger effect and theres no mention of that.
media.prod.cyca.s3.amazonaws.com/media/3440516/rolex-sydney-hobart-yacht-race-2019-sailing-instructions.pdf
SI.32, bottom of page 13 in the link above looks to me like everyone had to have a satphone on board this year. And they're going to do some testing during the race, presumably if they work ok they'll change the method of comms sometime in the future.
If Mr witt never comes back he won't get to say he was right all along. I've never met him but based on the interview he doesn't seem a very cheerful fella.
The thing with a satphone is it's one to one, ie. can't talk to whoever is available to hear. Not required for position reporting but when things go pear shaped?
Gerald
Select to expand quoteSerenite said..
The thing with a satphone is it's one to one, ie. can't talk to whoever is available to hear. Not required for position reporting but when things go pear shaped?
Nailed it.
It's a one to one device with zero broadcast capability.
Pretty useless as a first line of defence in an emergency.
Agree position skeds are different, we use sat phones or vhf for skeds in all the coastal offshore races now, and have done for a few years.
Using a satphone we just text it, boat name, lat/long, and radio sked id. You then receive a confirmation text in return.
