Select to expand quoteAzureF305 said..AzureF305 said..
"maintained properly and are well looked after."
Replacement of fittings and fasteners is part of maintenance.
Just sayin...
Sorry mate I need to read your comments more carefully.
No worries 
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I've been reading all your posts, sounds like it could be a great adventure for you, but as everyone has been saying - you must plan well
Select to expand quoteShanty1 said..Ramona said..
Cold moulding also called double diagnal sheeting is when you you have two layers of wooden planks going in different directions isn't it? If it is do you really think taking a 50 year old wooden boat that could be rotten round the Australia would be a good idea? If i were to buy a rotten boat will cost a lot more than it's worth don't you think. I don't know romona what do you think?
Ps after I read this i sound like I'm calling you out. I'm not trying to sorry if I sounds like it. 
The only rot I can see is in one photo where it looks like water has got around a fitting and has caused damage. The rot would only extend to the glue line. The areas that rot usually cause problems in wood boats seems to be clear in the photos. Rare to see rot in the double diagonal construction because it is usually only exposed to seawater. The bits that normally suffer is under the cockpit and decks around the cabin where the water evaporates from the bilge and condenses as fresh water on the undersides. The decks and cockpit will be ply and they are the usual problem areas when water enters the end grain. The bunk was probably removed because of rot in the ply. I would suggest giving Jonathon a call and having a chat. He is very honest and will not hide any details.
This boat has changed hands a couple of times in the last couple of years and needs an owner that appreciates natures natural carbon fibre.
Select to expand quoteAzureF305 said..
No worries .
I've been reading all your posts, sounds like it could be a great adventure for you, but as everyone has been saying - you must plan well
Yes I might need to push my start date back to September 2020 though. That's a maybe but I really don't want to be in the bight in the middle of winter. That will also need to happen if a top hat 25 can't carry the weight. That means I will need to save up for an S&s 34. Will see how I go, have PMed Andy to see what he thinks about the weight situation.
Thanks
Mick
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
Select to expand quoteShanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky 
For $5 you can read it yourself
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Select to expand quoteShanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Or you could try this guy, he is pretty switched on with sailing
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=Shanty1
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Or you could try this guy, he is pretty switched on with sailing
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=Shanty1
Thanks mate I try to ask as many questions i can. Learn and make the most of every opportunity.
On another note, what's your story Craig? Where do you sail? What boat do you sail? How long how you been sailing?
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Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Or you could try this guy, he is pretty switched on with sailing
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=Shanty1
Thanks mate I try to ask as many questions i can. Learn and make the most of every opportunity.
On another note, what's your story Craig? Where do you sail? What boat do you sail? How long how you been sailing?
Hey Micky
fair question
ill jump on lap top to answer you a bit later.
Next to no one on here actually knows me or what I'm about or what my sailing plans are.
I read, I listen, I ask the odd question. I make many serious posts and a few smart ass funny comments
I'm very low key and fly below the radar.
Oh look, i joined this group in December 2008 so I'm just a newbie
maybe wut yore gret math you can wok out how old old I am????
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..
maybe wut yore gret math you can wok out how old old I am????
Well one thing is for sure. Nobody that downs reds like you do is any spring chicken.
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..
Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Or you could try this guy, he is pretty switched on with sailing
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=Shanty1
Thanks mate I try to ask as many questions i can. Learn and make the most of every opportunity.
On another note, what's your story Craig? Where do you sail? What boat do you sail? How long how you been sailing?
Hey Micky
fair question
ill jump on lap top to answer you a bit later.
Next to no one on here actually knows me or what I'm about or what my sailing plans are.
I read, I listen, I ask the odd question. I make many serious posts and a few smart ass funny comments
I'm very low key and fly below the radar.
Oh look, i joined this group in December 2008 so I'm just a newbie
maybe wut yore gret math you can wok out how old old I am????
Craig, makes you 77 years young, yes ?
Select to expand quotespongeblob said..Craig66 said..
Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Or you could try this guy, he is pretty switched on with sailing
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=Shanty1
Thanks mate I try to ask as many questions i can. Learn and make the most of every opportunity.
On another note, what's your story Craig? Where do you sail? What boat do you sail? How long how you been sailing?
Hey Micky
fair question
ill jump on lap top to answer you a bit later.
Next to no one on here actually knows me or what I'm about or what my sailing plans are.
I read, I listen, I ask the odd question. I make many serious posts and a few smart ass funny comments
I'm very low key and fly below the radar.
Oh look, i joined this group in December 2008 so I'm just a newbie
maybe wut yore gret math you can wok out how old old I am????
Craig, makes you 77 years young, yes ?
Your a funny man blob, actually I just turned 53, but I tell every one im 58 as I plan to run away at 60 (in 2 years)
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..spongeblob said..Craig66 said..
Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..Craig66 said..Shanty1 said..
I haven't read "two in a top hat" but if anyone has. Do the Mitchell's ever say anything about weight? If so could someone post it or pm me it would be interesting to know.
www.amazon.com/Two-Top-Hat-Ian-Mitchell-ebook/dp/B00ULX21AS/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Ahoy there Micky
For $5 you can read it yourself
Thanks mate, will do. Just don't give me the Mitchell's contact details otherwise could you imagine how many questions would be sent to them.
Or you could try this guy, he is pretty switched on with sailing
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=Shanty1
Thanks mate I try to ask as many questions i can. Learn and make the most of every opportunity.
On another note, what's your story Craig? Where do you sail? What boat do you sail? How long how you been sailing?
Hey Micky
fair question
ill jump on lap top to answer you a bit later.
Next to no one on here actually knows me or what I'm about or what my sailing plans are.
I read, I listen, I ask the odd question. I make many serious posts and a few smart ass funny comments
I'm very low key and fly below the radar.
Oh look, i joined this group in December 2008 so I'm just a newbie
maybe wut yore gret math you can wok out how old old I am????
Craig, makes you 77 years young, yes ?
Your a funny man blob, actually I just turned 53, but I tell every one im 58 as I plan to run away at 60 (in 2 years)
I'm 58 but I tell all my friends I'm 27
Strangely enough I'm friendless...
You can run away mate but you'll still be 60.
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. I can't go writh 11 can I ( unless you were born in the second half of the year).
Ok Mick, a snippet of my story.
Everyone else can skip to the next post.
I'm only a beginner serious sailor with a long-time passion for the ocean. I grew up with a great waterway as my back yard. Port Stephens and Myall lakes. Had a boat license before my car L plates.
Dad taught me to fish from our 11-foot savage Gull (its still in his garage) I learnt to water ski at about 8 years old.
Taught myself to barefoot in my teens and competed in barefoot drag racing, I still have the trophies. Plus I did a bit of boat circuit racing (no trophies as it was slow even with a 350 chev) Oh I have circuit raced cars, raced hill climb championships (yes more trophies) Plus a few very fast motor bikes have lived in my garage.
Did a bit on fishing trawlers, owned ski boats/race boats (21 foot Judd Craft), jet ski, last boat was half cab fishing boat that I took out side fishing almost every weekend for the last 3 years. (I just sold it 3 weeks ago. 2015 tournament 2000 with a 200 HO Gen2)
I started sailing as a schoolboy, flying 11, had a VJ with banana boards (do you know what they are?) that I raced badly (both had jibs) , as well as lots and lots of time on beach cats back in the day over many years.
I have Kite surfed for over 15 years as well as surf ski and Sup surf plus MTB in the bush.
So you have the picture I have been around boats and water all my life.
As for current sailing, as said next to know one on here knows me or my plans (although cisco thinks he know my drinking habits )
I have quietly taken the advice of many members on here over many years. I have read posts, listened to ideas, joined in occasionally, followed links, googled etc. Plus read books on sailing.
I joined a local sailing club, crew on a hanse 37 cruising / racing yacht for a few seasons on Saturdays and a 32 footer twilight mid week, as well as being asked to crew on other boats. Think I'm up to 5 at last count that I have crewed on. The wealth of information learnt from different skippers and different boats is widespread, some of which I'll take forward as the way to do things and some I'll make sure I won't copy.
Its amazing how similar boats are set up so different.
We race both enclosed water as well as the ocean, we did a 24-hour race earlier this year around the cans, boy was that mentally tough as blowing something like 15 to 25 knots the whole race. But we finished and had a beer before falling asleep for a few hours, PS nothing would have woken me after 20 minutes (and you want to do 4 months Pfffftttt) April we raced to and in Sail Port Stephens.
As to my sailing in the future, I am 3 years into a 5 year plan. It will involve the purchase of a boat as a live aboard, said boat will not be a project boat, it will be a turn key, set up to go (well as close to set up as available as possible) Ill be looking for a boat that has completed such a trip im planning. I actually have been looking, going to boat shows for many years, I know what I want, what my needs are and what id like the boat to include. It is best to have a list of Necessary and Optional equipment.
Ill be sailing north for about 6 months for long service leave. No, not nonstop, I'm planning many stops around the top of Aus, ill put tenants into my home to help fund the trip as well as seasonal work if I choose to extend longer away from work. (ill pack my passport just in case I get lost)
So that gives me another 2 years to gain experience and confidence before my adventure,
I have the support of my family and friends (my daughter has requested a dive compressor be on board)
**** iv done a bit in my life hey
PS, if any knows of a late model galley up facing forward 40 / 44 for Leopard please get in touch https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2019-leopard-catamarans-45/SHRM-AD-520944/?Cr=14&psq=(And.Service.Boatsales._.Make.LEOPARD%20CATAMARANS.)&pso=12&pss=AdvertAge
Ok I need lotto win for that one
Or
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/leopard-39-3-cabin-owners-version/230270
Wow man, lucky we just got the 'snippet', might have pushed the monthly download limit otherwise Jeff Bezos would probably have loved to have serialised that life story, and maybe have made his first billion... years ago! Love a good red also, guess whether I'm doing so now
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Wow man, lucky we just got the 'snippet', might have pushed the monthly download limit otherwise Jeff Bezos would probably have loved to have serialised that life story, and maybe have made his first billion... years ago! Love a good red also, guess whether I'm doing so now
Man you were advised to skip to the next post, which by the way is your post, so that would mean you would be talking to your self
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..GKandCC said..
Wow man, lucky we just got the 'snippet', might have pushed the monthly download limit otherwise Jeff Bezos would probably have loved to have serialised that life story, and maybe have made his first billion... years ago! Love a good red also, guess whether I'm doing so now
Man you were advised to skip to the next post, which by the way is your post, so that would mean you would be talking to your self
Talking to yourself...sometimes the only way to get a sensible answer.
Select to expand quoteGKandCC said..Craig66 said..GKandCC said..
Wow man, lucky we just got the 'snippet', might have pushed the monthly download limit otherwise Jeff Bezos would probably have loved to have serialised that life story, and maybe have made his first billion... years ago! Love a good red also, guess whether I'm doing so now
Man you were advised to skip to the next post, which by the way is your post, so that would mean you would be talking to your self
Talking to yourself...sometimes the only way to get a sensible answer.
Yes true
But its hard to take the "Micky" out of your self
) . Very actioned packed life i see very envious well I'll let you get back to whatever "nosing around" that you sound like you have been up to for the past eleven years.
www.leopardcatamaransbrokerage.com/used-catamarans/2011-leopard-38-montenegro-4471-6766116
Bit smaller and you might have to change the itinerary a bit, it's in Italy. Good price though. Nice choice of boat. Might have been looking at these myself. Tell him he's dreaming! Wife,kids,work.
It's good to have dreams and want to go on adventures. Planned properly and with the right experience anything can be done.
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..GKandCC said..Craig66 said..GKandCC said..
Wow man, lucky we just got the 'snippet', might have pushed the monthly download limit otherwise Jeff Bezos would probably have loved to have serialised that life story, and maybe have made his first billion... years ago! Love a good red also, guess whether I'm doing so now
Man you were advised to skip to the next post, which by the way is your post, so that would mean you would be talking to your self
Talking to yourself...sometimes the only way to get a sensible answer.
Yes true
But its hard to take the "Micky" out of your self
I mean that's a good one I'll have to admit 
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)
Thanks Cabron
I do like FP but back to back walk on tour at Syd boat show the leopard won me over, plus the door for access to bow is great idea.
I have friends on a FP 40 in the Whitsundays now, I'll get good feed back.
Woops bit of a thread hijack
sorry micky
Hi All,
I buzz out reading these posts especially when it involves proven, solid, seaworthy boats such as the Top Hat 25 (one of my favourites) & dreams of epic adventures.
I love the ambition & enthusiasm Shanty1. Please pursue what drives you & makes you tick. From reading the posts you have done the research & have found a seebreeze community along the way that's full of salty knowledge. A lot of the members here have given invaluable advice, I'm sure you have taken this onboard. I wish you the best of luck in fulfilling your dream. Keep us up to date with your progress & preparations. Continue to ask questions. Just because you don't have sailing experience doesn't mean you can't sail. Get out there and do it!
Much Love,
SeaSneeze
Select to expand quoteCraig66 said..
I grew up with a great waterway as my back yard. Port Stephens and Myall lakes. Had a boat license before my car L plates.
........................ I learnt to water ski at about 8 years old.
Taught myself to barefoot in my teens .................. Plus I did a bit of boat circuit racing........................... Plus a few very fast motor bikes have lived in my garage.
........................... owned ski boats/race boats ...........
Do I know you or are we related???? I think I have a few years on you though!
I did a fair bit of circuit racing
Best of luck with you 5 year plan!! I'm too impatient for that!!
Select to expand quoteLazzz said..Craig66 said..
I grew up with a great waterway as my back yard. Port Stephens and Myall lakes. Had a boat license before my car L plates.
........................ I learnt to water ski at about 8 years old.
Taught myself to barefoot in my teens .................. Plus I did a bit of boat circuit racing........................... Plus a few very fast motor bikes have lived in my garage.
........................... owned ski boats/race boats ...........
Do I know you or are we related???? I think I have a few years on you though!
I did a fair bit of circuit racing
Best of luck with you 5 year plan!! I'm too impatient for that!!
Not sure Lazzz
Maybe brothers from a different mother
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