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Select to expand quoteRamona said..D3 said..
Was commenting on the whether the anchor had dragged or not
The news report said she survived relatively unscathed. Motoring ahead up the anchor rode would negate any chance of dragging.
Screenshot from eSysman video shows Sir Robert Baden Powell at NW end of orange line.
The video shows both vessel's moving and ending up SSE of their current positions.
Like I said, it's hard to tell from this video an the AIS as to whether Bayesian anchored dragged or not, if a vessel in close proximity exhibits similar movement.
I think I will wait for the movie! There will be a massive insurance payout to some extremely rich people so us mere mortals will never get the whole story.
"In a separate act of tragedy, Mr Lynch's co-defendant in the trial, Stephen Chamberlain, died on Monday, after a road accident left him critically injured.
Mr Chamberlain - Autonomy's former vice-president of finance alongside Mr Lynch - was hit by a car in Cambridgeshire on Saturday morning and had been placed on life support."
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
Vessel that size should have some type of VDR? She'd be over 300GRT?
Apparently not.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..
I think I will wait for the movie! There will be a massive insurance payout to some extremely rich people so us mere mortals will never get the whole story.
"In a separate act of tragedy, Mr Lynch's co-defendant in the trial, Stephen Chamberlain, died on Monday, after a road accident left him critically injured.
Mr Chamberlain - Autonomy's former vice-president of finance alongside Mr Lynch - was hit by a car in Cambridgeshire on Saturday morning and had been placed on life support."
Yikes; what are the chances? Makes you think twice about the conspiracy theorists.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..Ramona said..
I think I will wait for the movie! There will be a massive insurance payout to some extremely rich people so us mere mortals will never get the whole story.
"In a separate act of tragedy, Mr Lynch's co-defendant in the trial, Stephen Chamberlain, died on Monday, after a road accident left him critically injured.
Mr Chamberlain - Autonomy's former vice-president of finance alongside Mr Lynch - was hit by a car in Cambridgeshire on Saturday morning and had been placed on life support."
Yikes; what are the chances? Makes you think twice about the conspiracy theorists.
I always say that if it is a choice between conspiracy or a stuff up, then stuff up usually wins!
Good theory on the net that the inertia forces of the rig could easily overcome the small righting forces of the keel. Once knocked down large openings and sunken lounge cockpit will quickly do the rest as they fill.
Select to expand quoteYara said..
I always say that if it is a choice between conspiracy or a stuff up, then stuff up usually wins!
Thats true but there are a lot of questions that will never get answered. Several bodies found in one cabin, not theirs! there is a lot of speculation going on that's for sure.
Apparently a 5am bell was rung at the hydro majestic so everyone could get back to their own rooms before daylight. But again pure speculation. The unfortunate souls in that cabin may well of been following the emergency exit signs & found themselves trapped
Select to expand quotewoko said..
Apparently a 5am bell was rung at the hydro majestic so everyone could get back to their own rooms before daylight. But again pure speculation. The unfortunate souls in that cabin may well of been following the emergency exit signs & found themselves trapped
Or the only air pocket left.
Finally a bit of reliable information which answers a few of the questions which I had and which don't seem to have been published elsewhere. Certainly not in a ridiculous ABC article where the same author says at the beginning of the article the boat took 16 minutes to flounder and then at the end says 60 seconds! Still this is what I have come to expect from the ABC.
www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/27/former-bayesian-captain-offers-insight/
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..
Finally a bit of reliable information which answers a few of the questions which I had and which don't seem to have been published elsewhere. Certainly not in a ridiculous ABC article where the same author says at the beginning of the article the boat took 16 minutes to flounder and then at the end says 60 seconds! Still this is what I have come to expect from the ABC.
www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/27/former-bayesian-captain-offers-insight/
Excellent article thanks for sharing. 45 degrees downflooding angle yikes!
Select to expand quoteJonE said..julesmoto said..
Finally a bit of reliable information which answers a few of the questions which I had and which don't seem to have been published elsewhere. Certainly not in a ridiculous ABC article where the same author says at the beginning of the article the boat took 16 minutes to flounder and then at the end says 60 seconds! Still this is what I have come to expect from the ABC.
www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/27/former-bayesian-captain-offers-insight/
Excellent article thanks for sharing. 45 degrees downflooding angle yikes!
Yeah scary and pathetic. No wonder it sank! Wouldn't good design dictate air intakes close to the center line? You've got to wonder whether even if the air intakes are closed they are actually waterproof or water surge proof-not that they're likely to have been closed.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..JonE said..julesmoto said..
Finally a bit of reliable information which answers a few of the questions which I had and which don't seem to have been published elsewhere. Certainly not in a ridiculous ABC article where the same author says at the beginning of the article the boat took 16 minutes to flounder and then at the end says 60 seconds! Still this is what I have come to expect from the ABC.
www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/27/former-bayesian-captain-offers-insight/
Excellent article thanks for sharing. 45 degrees downflooding angle yikes!
Yeah scary and pathetic. No wonder it sank! Wouldn't good design dictate air intakes close to the center line? You've got to wonder whether even if the air intakes are closed they are actually waterproof or water surge proof-not that they're likely to have been closed.
One of the NA's on Anarchy explained how commercial vessels are typically designed with a similar downflooding angle (40-45 odd degrees).
That was an eye opener.
Having said that, I wouldn't like to try and use some commercial rating for downflooding for a non-commercial sail boat. That seems to me to be all kinds of stupid.
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..julesmoto said..JonE said..julesmoto said..
Finally a bit of reliable information which answers a few of the questions which I had and which don't seem to have been published elsewhere. Certainly not in a ridiculous ABC article where the same author says at the beginning of the article the boat took 16 minutes to flounder and then at the end says 60 seconds! Still this is what I have come to expect from the ABC.
www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2024/08/27/former-bayesian-captain-offers-insight/
Excellent article thanks for sharing. 45 degrees downflooding angle yikes!
Yeah scary and pathetic. No wonder it sank! Wouldn't good design dictate air intakes close to the center line? You've got to wonder whether even if the air intakes are closed they are actually waterproof or water surge proof-not that they're likely to have been closed.
One of the NA's on Anarchy explained how commercial vessels are typically designed with a similar downflooding angle (40-45 odd degrees).
That was an eye opener.
Having said that, I wouldn't like to try and use some commercial rating for downflooding for a non-commercial sail boat. That seems to me to be all kinds of stupid.
Yeah especially one with a lifting keel and the tallest mast in the world with three sails that trap wind and water high up on furlers even at anchor.
And as for downflooding angle perhaps we should all make sure our cockpit lockers automatically latch when closed and washboards have a securing pin.
Anyone got a link to a good cockpit locker latch?
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..
And as for downflooding angle perhaps we should all make sure our cockpit lockers automatically latch when closed and washboards have a securing pin.
Anyone got a link to a good cockpit locker latch?
Cockpit locker - what's one of those?
It must be nice not to have to go below every single time you want to stow something.
Select to expand quoteJonE said..
Cockpit locker - what's one of those?
It must be nice not to have to go below every single time you want to stow something.
And before the purchase the wife thought that the two quarter berths were to accommodate the large family and the cockpit going right to the transom looked so roomy.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..
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Another analysis which comes down to ridiculously low downflooding angle of an already tender yacht.
If you owned one of the two sister ships which admittedly wouldn't be as tender due to ketch rig and non-lifting keel I reckon you would be permanently blocking off those side facing steps/wells.
The little magnified circular inset picture displayed at the 11 point of this video says it all. No need to wait for any enquiry outcome.
If anybody goes to jail it should be the designer.
Imagine BYD doing a video about a Tesla crash. Kinda ballsy claiming your boats are "nature proof" really.
Select to expand quoteJonE said..julesmoto said..
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Another analysis which comes down to ridiculously low downflooding angle of an already tender yacht.
If you owned one of the two sister ships which admittedly wouldn't be as tender due to ketch rig and non-lifting keel I reckon you would be permanently blocking off those side facing steps/wells.
The little magnified circular inset picture displayed at the 11 point of this video says it all. No need to wait for any enquiry outcome.
If anybody goes to jail it should be the designer.
Imagine BYD doing a video about a Tesla crash. Kinda ballsy claiming your boats are "nature proof" really.
Actually I think there should be more of it instead of them all acting like it's a club and scared of retaliation.
I seem to recall Ford versus Holden ads with slalom tests going through witches hats about the time that Holden introduced RTS (radio tuned suspension). I don't think this was the only example of Australian comparative advertising either but it seems to have disappeared now.
It would be extremely helpful to consumers if this was the norm rather than so-called road testers just looking for their next junket and afraid of being too critical lest they miss out. Same applies to yacht test sails.
Picture a Beneteau competitor drilling through the hull near the keel and saying it's only six mil thick or something vs twice as thick for whatever brand was running the ad or some brand with tabbed bulkheads or floors doing a comparison to a glued Jeanneau or something like that. Retaliatory advertising could point out defects in the other brand... Definitely a win-win for the consumer.
Radial tuned suspension.........the infamous Kingswood.........Ted Bullpit.................the halcyon days.............
Select to expand quoter13 said..
Radial tuned suspension.........the infamous Kingswood.........Ted Bullpit.................the halcyon days.............
Haven't we come a long way !
Select to expand quoter13 said..
Radial tuned suspension.........the infamous Kingswood.........Ted Bullpit.................the halcyon days.............
Ted Bullpit? Can't remember.
But made me smile.
Select to expand quotePLanter4 said..
No ABS/Airbags + a bit floaty at 160k - but we survived !?
160 kph. My friend's mother bought one of the early HQs with a 202 automatic and it frustrated the hell out of us that no matter how long the straight was we could only get it to 99 miles per hour.
