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2bish

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5 Mar 2019 8:32AM
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Mawson has a double dark blue pin stripe along the shear line. These are two vinyl stripes and starting to get worn and nicked. The boot stripe is also a dark blue but painted on, this is looking really worn with successive scrubbing and polishing. So I'm needing to reinstate all these and wondering if I might do the boot stripe as vinyl too or just do them all in paint. What are your thoughts on the pro's and cons of going with vinyl or painting on stripes (GRP hull, still a gel coat finish). Also I got wondering about what he boot stripe is actually for if anyone knows?

Ramona

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5 Mar 2019 8:46AM
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Paint is best. With paint you can touch up when it gets that inevitable scratch or scrape. Just stick to stock colours. The boot stripe could be there to hide the scum marks I guess but I think it's mainly for appearance. I reckon it should be standard fit on classic looking yachts.

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5 Mar 2019 10:44AM
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I was struggling to keep the growth off the red line. It was an utter pain as it replenished itself on a regular basis, quickly.

At the first antifoul a decision has been made and implemented and the result was total satisfaction. No more scrubbing!





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Paint is best. With paint you can touch up when it gets that inevitable scratch or scrape. Just stick to stock colours. The boot stripe could be there to hide the scum marks I guess but I think it's mainly for appearance. I reckon it should be standard fit on classic looking yachts.

Good point Ramona, being able to do touch ups easily is a plus!

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I was struggling to keep the growth off the red line. It was an utter pain as it replenished itself on a regular basis, quickly.

At the first antifoul a decision has been made and implemented and the result was total satisfaction. No more scrubbing!






I know what you mean, it always seems to be the highest growth area. so did you take the antifoul up to the top of where your red boot stripe was?

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5 Mar 2019 8:17PM
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Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard

2bish

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5 Mar 2019 8:48PM
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Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard


Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/

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5 Mar 2019 8:28PM
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2bish said..

Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard



Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/


Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.

jacktheflyer

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6 Mar 2019 8:10AM
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Bunnings sell them.

fishmonkey

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6 Mar 2019 10:01AM
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vinyl comes off pretty easily with a little bit of heat. use a gas torch if you don't have shore power. i've never used a caramel wheel but i assume that they make a mess.

2bish

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6 Mar 2019 10:39AM
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shaggybaxter said..

2bish said..


Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard




Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/



Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.


Hi Shaggy, so is your whole hull covered in vinyl wrap then? 3 years isn't long is it! Can't you wax polish it or isn't that lasting long enough when you do so? Or what about one of those whiz bang silicon finishes, would that work and save you the grief of having to remove it all?

keensailor

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6 Mar 2019 10:45AM
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planning a slip and anti-foul soonish, can someone tell me what type of paint to use on my black boot stripe please

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planning a slip and anti-foul soonish, can someone tell me what type of paint to use on my black boot stripe please


Single pot paint of your choice. Stick with the stock colours.

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keensailor said..
planning a slip and anti-foul soonish, can someone tell me what type of paint to use on my black boot stripe please




Single pot paint of your choice. Stick with the stock colours.



enamel or water based
i have some Norlgass Weatherfast premium enamel stain in white, wonder if I can tint to black

shaggybaxter

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6 Mar 2019 10:31AM
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2bish said..


shaggybaxter said..



2bish said..




Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard






Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/





Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.




Hi Shaggy, so is your whole hull covered in vinyl wrap then? 3 years isn't long is it! Can't you wax polish it or isn't that lasting long enough when you do so? Or what about one of those whiz bang silicon finishes, would that work and save you the grief of having to remove it all?



G'day 2Bish,
Not the whole hull mate, just the sides. Its the grey colour in the picture, you may be able to see the flatness. There is a torn section forrard you can see that I have to replace when they slinged the boat and didn't use any padding, but other than that it's unbroken, just drab.

Yeah, I was hoping for more than three years, it's not totally trashed but it's lost its sheen and no amount of polish seems to correct it. I know when I had it done they told me they used above average quality Avery Dennison vinyl but not the best you can buy, as the higher end 3M vinyl was just poisonously expensive.

The problem seems to be the high UV in Qld, it's sucked the shine out of it and sadly the resultant flatness isn't uniform.
I'm not familiar with a silicon finish? Does this just put a gloss finish on the existing product?
It'd be fantastic not to pull it all off, kinda difficult job if it's sitting in a cradle.








valo

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6 Mar 2019 3:37PM
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shaggybaxter said..

2bish said..


Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard




Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/



Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.


Hey Shaggy.

Caramel wheel is TOO small for your job.
Heat is the way to go. 2 people on heat guns, one from the top and one from below, and another on the vinyl. Heat and pull in one long go. Getting a start with a good leading edge of heat as you pull will make it an easier job.
Talk to a vehicle wrap company for tips on BIG surfaces. The sooner it is removed after it is applied, the easier it comes off.

shaggybaxter

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6 Mar 2019 3:42PM
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valo said..

shaggybaxter said..


2bish said..



Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard





Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/




Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.



Hey Shaggy.

Caramel wheel is TOO small for your job.
Heat is the way to go. 2 people on heat guns, one from the top and one from below, and another on the vinyl. Heat and pull in one long go. Getting a start with a good leading edge of heat as you pull will make it an easier job.
Talk to a vehicle wrap company for tips on BIG surfaces. The sooner it is removed after it is applied, the easier it comes off.


Thanks very much Valo!
I might end up doing it on the water if that's the case, might be easier with a couple of ribs.
Cheers!
SB

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Ramona said..




enamel or water based
i have some Norlgass Weatherfast premium enamel stain in white, wonder if I can tint to black


Month or so ago I watched an old bloke with a Northshore 33 do his boot stripe in Blue Norglass oil based paint. I was impressed. On mine I have the white stripe in Aldi's metal enamel oil based paint. It is holding up well. $10 a litre.

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Just noticed my post count has been stuck on 4753 for some time!

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Hey Shaggy,
I would say the grey was a good colour choice for longevity, but agree the Qld UV is fierce. The company I work for supplies the truck bodies for the Woolworth's home deliveries, and down south the green wrap looks fine after 5 years, but not so, the ones I spotted on the Gold Coast.
the clear wrap maybe worth making enquires about? If this would restore a lustre to your grey, and the grey wrap is still serviceable.
i would talk to one of the decent vehicle wrap companies.
cheers Richard

2bish

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6 Mar 2019 8:49PM
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shaggybaxter said..

2bish said..



shaggybaxter said..




2bish said..





Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard







Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/






Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.





Hi Shaggy, so is your whole hull covered in vinyl wrap then? 3 years isn't long is it! Can't you wax polish it or isn't that lasting long enough when you do so? Or what about one of those whiz bang silicon finishes, would that work and save you the grief of having to remove it all?




G'day 2Bish,
Not the whole hull mate, just the sides. Its the grey colour in the picture, you may be able to see the flatness. There is a torn section forrard you can see that I have to replace when they slinged the boat and didn't use any padding, but other than that it's unbroken, just drab.

Yeah, I was hoping for more than three years, it's not totally trashed but it's lost its sheen and no amount of polish seems to correct it. I know when I had it done they told me they used above average quality Avery Dennison vinyl but not the best you can buy, as the higher end 3M vinyl was just poisonously expensive.

The problem seems to be the high UV in Qld, it's sucked the shine out of it and sadly the resultant flatness isn't uniform.
I'm not familiar with a silicon finish? Does this just put a gloss finish on the existing product?
It'd be fantastic not to pull it all off, kinda difficult job if it's sitting in a cradle.









Ah I see! still a lot of it to deal with eh?

Sorry but I was incorrect, it was a Ceramic coating I was thinking of, not silicon. I've never tried it, just came across it when I was looking at waxes. It's probably stupidly expensive and only lasts half as long as they claim , here are a couple of links"

www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/marine-ceramic-coating/

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Ramona said..

keensailor said..


Ramona said..





enamel or water based
i have some Norlgass Weatherfast premium enamel stain in white, wonder if I can tint to black



Month or so ago I watched an old bloke with a Northshore 33 do his boot stripe in Blue Norglass oil based paint. I was impressed. On mine I have the white stripe in Aldi's metal enamel oil based paint. It is holding up well. $10 a litre.


I also use the Norglass Blue oil based. Cleans up well, just touch up every couple of years, redone entirely this year after 6 years.

It also helps that I have a diver clean the water line each month.

Donk107

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I did mine with International Toplac and it seems to last pretty well

Regards Don

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EC31 said..

Ramona said..


keensailor said..



Ramona said..






enamel or water based
i have some Norlgass Weatherfast premium enamel stain in white, wonder if I can tint to black




Month or so ago I watched an old bloke with a Northshore 33 do his boot stripe in Blue Norglass oil based paint. I was impressed. On mine I have the white stripe in Aldi's metal enamel oil based paint. It is holding up well. $10 a litre.



I also use the Norglass Blue oil based. Cleans up well, just touch up every couple of years, redone entirely this year after 6 years.

It also helps that I have a diver clean the water line each month.


Thanks, so would that be the Norglass Premium Enamel Gloss product?

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I did mine with International Toplac and it seems to last pretty well

Regards Don


Thanks Don, is your boat GRP? did you undercoat with their Pre-Kote primer product?

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I did mine with International Toplac and it seems to last pretty well

Regards Don


Thanks Don, is your boat GRP? did you undercoat with their Pre-Kote primer product?

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Hey Shaggy,
I would say the grey was a good colour choice for longevity, but agree the Qld UV is fierce. The company I work for supplies the truck bodies for the Woolworth's home deliveries, and down south the green wrap looks fine after 5 years, but not so, the ones I spotted on the Gold Coast.
the clear wrap maybe worth making enquires about? If this would restore a lustre to your grey, and the grey wrap is still serviceable.
i would talk to one of the decent vehicle wrap companies.
cheers Richard


Thanks Stockie,
We've a local sign writer/wrapper mob local to the club, I'm going to see them this morning and see what they think regards the clear wrap.
Cheers!
SB

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2bish said..


Ah I see! still a lot of it to deal with eh?

Sorry but I was incorrect, it was a Ceramic coating I was thinking of, not silicon. I've never tried it, just came across it when I was looking at waxes. It's probably stupidly expensive and only lasts half as long as they claim , here are a couple of links"

https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/marine-ceramic-coating/




Hi 2bish,
That was really interesting, I never knew ceramic coating existed for boats. Reading the blurb last night, I noted with interest that it also provides streakless protection for windscreens and windows. On the 2nd to last Volvo race I was swapping emails with one of their on board reporters who was looking for a treatment to mitigate salt build up on the on deck camera bubble protectors. I wonder if this could help with that problem?
With thanks,
SB

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Donk107 said..
I did mine with International Toplac and it seems to last pretty well

Regards Don




Thanks Don, is your boat GRP? did you undercoat with their Pre-Kote primer product?



Hi 2bish

She is GRP and I just painted over the original painted stripe without any preparation at all

Regards Don





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2bish said..

shaggybaxter said..


2bish said..




shaggybaxter said..





2bish said..






Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard








Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/







Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.






Hi Shaggy, so is your whole hull covered in vinyl wrap then? 3 years isn't long is it! Can't you wax polish it or isn't that lasting long enough when you do so? Or what about one of those whiz bang silicon finishes, would that work and save you the grief of having to remove it all?





G'day 2Bish,
Not the whole hull mate, just the sides. Its the grey colour in the picture, you may be able to see the flatness. There is a torn section forrard you can see that I have to replace when they slinged the boat and didn't use any padding, but other than that it's unbroken, just drab.

Yeah, I was hoping for more than three years, it's not totally trashed but it's lost its sheen and no amount of polish seems to correct it. I know when I had it done they told me they used above average quality Avery Dennison vinyl but not the best you can buy, as the higher end 3M vinyl was just poisonously expensive.

The problem seems to be the high UV in Qld, it's sucked the shine out of it and sadly the resultant flatness isn't uniform.
I'm not familiar with a silicon finish? Does this just put a gloss finish on the existing product?
It'd be fantastic not to pull it all off, kinda difficult job if it's sitting in a cradle.









Ah I see! still a lot of it to deal with eh?

Sorry but I was incorrect, it was a Ceramic coating I was thinking of, not silicon. I've never tried it, just came across it when I was looking at waxes. It's probably stupidly expensive and only lasts half as long as they claim , here are a couple of links"

www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/marine-ceramic-coating/



When I last had my boat detailed they tried to get me to coat the boat with ' System X' . It was very expensive and I was not prepared to pay out that sort of money without proof it works, so they did my 2 gelcoat deck halyard covers as a sample. Thank god I didn't fork out over $3,000.00 just to do the deck as it did not last 6 months before the gelcoat started to dull off. It was no better than a good quality wax. 2bish it doesn't ever last half of what the say unless you park your boat in a shed.

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Jode5 said..

2bish said..


shaggybaxter said..



2bish said..





shaggybaxter said..






2bish said..







Stockie said..
Get a caramel wheel to remove the vinyl, makes a horrible job easier!
ive got a blue line, same issue that sir G had, but I was thinking of trying a clear silicon coat, like the outer coat on prop speed.
cheers Richard









Hi Richard, what's a caramel wheel?

Clear silicon coat sounds interesting, would it be ok in UV? I also thought about the possibility of getting a stripe cut from the vinyl that they're putting on the underwater parts of hulls as a fouling release now. https://www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/biocide-free-anti-fouling-vinyl/








Thanks 2Bish, I was wondering the same thing regards the caramel wheel.
I've got the opposite problem, my hull sides are vinyl stickers not paint, and they're looking pretty flat now being three years old.
I'm tossing up if I bother trying to remove them myself, so this is definitely of interest.







Hi Shaggy, so is your whole hull covered in vinyl wrap then? 3 years isn't long is it! Can't you wax polish it or isn't that lasting long enough when you do so? Or what about one of those whiz bang silicon finishes, would that work and save you the grief of having to remove it all?






G'day 2Bish,
Not the whole hull mate, just the sides. Its the grey colour in the picture, you may be able to see the flatness. There is a torn section forrard you can see that I have to replace when they slinged the boat and didn't use any padding, but other than that it's unbroken, just drab.

Yeah, I was hoping for more than three years, it's not totally trashed but it's lost its sheen and no amount of polish seems to correct it. I know when I had it done they told me they used above average quality Avery Dennison vinyl but not the best you can buy, as the higher end 3M vinyl was just poisonously expensive.

The problem seems to be the high UV in Qld, it's sucked the shine out of it and sadly the resultant flatness isn't uniform.
I'm not familiar with a silicon finish? Does this just put a gloss finish on the existing product?
It'd be fantastic not to pull it all off, kinda difficult job if it's sitting in a cradle.









Ah I see! still a lot of it to deal with eh?

Sorry but I was incorrect, it was a Ceramic coating I was thinking of, not silicon. I've never tried it, just came across it when I was looking at waxes. It's probably stupidly expensive and only lasts half as long as they claim , here are a couple of links"

www.innovativemarinecoatings.com.au/marine-ceramic-coating/




When I last had my boat detailed they tried to get me to coat the boat with ' System X' . It was very expensive and I was not prepared to pay out that sort of money without proof it works, so they did my 2 gelcoat deck halyard covers as a sample. Thank god I didn't fork out over $3,000.00 just to do the deck as it did not last 6 months before the gelcoat started to dull off. It was no better than a good quality wax. 2bish it doesn't ever last half of what the say unless you park your boat in a shed.


I suspected as much! whats your good quality wax of choice btw?


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