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Created by Windjana > 9 months ago, 3 Jul 2016
PhoenixStar
QLD, 477 posts
5 Jul 2016 12:54PM
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Further to oil filled stern tubes, the boat I was talking about has been in the water for about 10 years now with zero maintenance.

Pit corrosion can be a problem in any shaft, I had it in a shaft inside the stuffing box on a boat 25 years ago - strangely there was no leak and it rarely needed to be tightened. The shaft was 35 years old when I replaced it due to wear. Stainless needs a molecular coating of oxide to be corrosion free and so anywhere there is oxygen starvation there can be a problem hence the rust streaks from behind some chain plates.

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
6 Jul 2016 6:37AM
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PhoenixStar said..
Further to oil filled stern tubes, the boat I was talking about has been in the water for about 10 years now with zero maintenance.

Pit corrosion can be a problem in any shaft, I had it in a shaft inside the stuffing box on a boat 25 years ago - strangely there was no leak and it rarely needed to be tightened. The shaft was 35 years old when I replaced it due to wear. Stainless needs a molecular coating of oxide to be corrosion free and so anywhere there is oxygen starvation there can be a problem hence the rust streaks from behind some chain plates.






I think that's a great idea for a steering tube Phoenix star and or a stuffing box with Teflon packing rope (PTFE braided packing ) to me is also OK on a steering tube.
I'm just not a great fan of double lip seals or stuffing boxes in prop shaft/tube applications.
I found after a day out and closing up the boat to go home I might forget to grease the stuffing box before I left if your a long way away from your boat for the week I didn't sleep well till i was back on board.
The idea of the O ring replacing the stainless spring on a double lip seal is a good one as long as it a good size and fit stainless is soft..
Stuffing boxes work mine had one for 37 year it would have been originally fitted its choices
As it states in the link below a PSS seal should be inspected regularly every six months and replaced every 8 years recommended by the manufacturer

www.passagemaker.com/technical/dripless-shaft-seals


www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal

I like the idea of a extra clamp collar or some people add a hose clamp on the prop shaft as a secondary locking collar

And if your lifting your boat out on the hard don't forget to burp the seal if its the old PSS design with out the hose barb.
You can run the hose barb it two different ways
one way it as a air bleed
The other is run water from the cooling system pump so the water runs directly to the carbon seal and out via the cutlass bearing

Ramona
NSW, 7722 posts
6 Jul 2016 8:35AM
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The largest trawler in town here has a similar set up except the shaft bearings are white metal and the stern tube is full of grease. Gets replaced every 10 years or so. Couple of pumps on the permanently connected grease gun every now and again.

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
6 Jul 2016 8:40AM
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Ramona said..
The largest trawler in town here has a similar set up except the shaft bearings are white metal and the stern tube is full of grease. Gets replaced every 10 years or so. Couple of pumps on the permanently connected grease gun every now and again.


shed be a ripper

samsturdy
NSW, 1659 posts
6 Jul 2016 9:27AM
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Someone on the forum a long time ago suggested to treat your PSS as a consumable and
just change it every ten years. Seems about right to me.

LMY
NSW, 203 posts
6 Jul 2016 8:39PM
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The manufacturer recommends changing the rubber bellows at 6 years maximum.

Limk to the manual below

http://www.pyiinc.com/images/pdf/pss/PSS%20installation%20instructions%20(low%20res).pdf

The manual also notes that sqealing can be a result of lack of water, so it may be worthwhile checking the bleed line, though I could not see the bleed line in the photos? A squeal may be different to a whine, probably depends on the mood the parent is in!

My PSS seal squealed for about 10'hours or so of running after every anti foul. I never worked out why, though "burping" by pulling the seal open to let water through seemed to help. I changed the seal last anti foul and that helped.

Windjana
WA, 405 posts
7 Jul 2016 6:19AM
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Thanks for all the advice guys.

The previous owner has fit a dry seal - there is no provision on the bellows to fit a water injection point.

I am reluctant to lift the boat out of the water until November when we return from having lots of fun around the Whitsundays and places in between.
When it is lifted out, it will be anti fouled, prop speed, shaft seal and a few other minor jobs.

So in the meantime, I will keep the revs down around 1500 - 1600 where it doesn't whine or squeal, and I will closely monitor it.
If all else fails, I have 3 good bilge pumps!

Thanks again for the helpful advice.

Jolene
WA, 1618 posts
7 Jul 2016 8:13AM
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One other thing to check is the end float in prop shaft and engine mount flex( if you have flexible mounts)
Is the shaft locked into the coupling and not just floating on a keyway?,,gradually creeping back and forth according to which gear you have selected.

A reference mark on the shaft with a chemi pen and a mark on the hull will indicate whether the shaft is moving forward under higher rpm/thrust.
Forward movement of the shaft will reduce the preload of the seal.
Whilst it would take a lot of endfloat to unseat the seal face and is highly unlikely, a small amount of endfoat may disturb a seal that has the incorrect preload measurement inplace.



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