Hi all, I have been enjoying reading these pages for a while and would like to say G'day. Also relay an incident in which I was injured while sailing off Mooloolaba yesterday. Having my elderly parents and 15 year old daughter on board we were having a great sail skipping along at 6 knots in about 15 of breaze. Around 1.5 meter sea. Going below to grab a beer, with my right hand gripping th post on the port side as the boat fell into a trough, I lost balance somehow became airborne, landing on my back heavily on top of the galley sink. Fortunately although in a fair amount of pain I was still able to to bring the boat home. Exrays today are clear though I was concerned I had broken my coxics. Laying up today contemplating the doctors prognosis of two weeks until the bruising subsidies I get to thinking. What if I was unable to continue to sail the boat. In my brief safety briefing I didn't instruct anyone how to use the radio and if you're out of mobile service it would be a serious situation for novice crew to get help. What do you guy's think
Cheers Phil
Welcome to the forum Phil.
Re the situation you described. If there is more than one person aboard I think it is incumbent on the owner/master to ensure that at least one other person aboard is knowledgeable and capable enough to bring the vessel back to port.
Certainly having someone who knows how to put out a radio call for assistance is the minimum.
I feel your pain. A bang on the coccyx is no fun at all.
No Christmas sailing then???? ![]()
Thanks for the reminder Phil that we all have to be vigilant. Hope you get better soon and back out on the water
The yacht is a 1984 miller and Whitworth 32. Which will remain tied up to the dock for a couple of weeks. Just had her out and cleaned her bum too. Bugger
Hi all, I have been enjoying reading these pages for a while and would like to say G'day. Also relay an incident in which I was injured while sailing off Mooloolaba yesterday. Having my elderly parents and 15 year old daughter on board we were having a great sail skipping along at 6 knots in about 15 of breaze. Around 1.5 meter sea. Going below to grab a beer, with my right hand gripping th post on the port side as the boat fell into a trough, I lost balance somehow became airborne, landing on my back heavily on top of the galley sink. Fortunately although in a fair amount of pain I was still able to to bring the boat home. Exrays today are clear though I was concerned I had broken my coxics. Laying up today contemplating the doctors prognosis of two weeks until the bruising subsidies I get to thinking. What if I was unable to continue to sail the boat. In my brief safety briefing I didn't instruct anyone how to use the radio and if you're out of mobile service it would be a serious situation for novice crew to get help. What do you guy's think
Cheers Phil
Sorry. No sympathy from me. You are the only person on board so called capable of handling the boat and you go and consume alcohol and suffer a careless accident. Sounds like negligence if not gross negligence.
Gee Phil, I didn't think you were looking for sympathy. I thought you were just sharing your experience so that we might learn from your experience instead of having to go though a similar experience to learn the same stuff. I wish I was game enough to put all my learning experiences on the forum. I even hate thinking about some of them, let alone putting them into print. Thanks again for posting. Cheers ![]()
Personally I belive a few coldies while sailing on a nice day is satisfactory. Obviously your accident was just sheer bad luck and not related to your alchol consumption. Hope all is well and this incident does not deflect your future sailing.
one tip I would recommend is to put some instructions next to your marine radio on how to call a pan pan and which channels to use.
Cheers
southace
Thanks for the support fellas. Actually didn't get to have that beer and it was to be the only one for the day. Not looking for sympathy either. Simply wishing to convey what has been a painful reminder to myself and to others of how quickly things can go pear shaped even in seemingly calm begnin conditions. Also to take on board the advice and experience from other forum users. So next time I'm below I'll be holding on with both hands. Keeping it under 0.05 in my view is being responsible. You're still gotta drive home after.
Gee Phil, I didn't think you were looking for sympathy. I thought you were just sharing your experience so that we might learn from your experience instead of having to go though a similar experience to learn the same stuff. I wish I was game enough to put all my learning experiences on the forum. I even hate thinking about some of them, let alone putting them into print. Thanks again for posting. Cheers ![]()
get a life!
Hi all, I have been enjoying reading these pages for a while and would like to say G'day. Also relay an incident in which I was injured while sailing off Mooloolaba yesterday. Having my elderly parents and 15 year old daughter on board we were having a great sail skipping along at 6 knots in about 15 of breaze. Around 1.5 meter sea. Going below to grab a beer, with my right hand gripping th post on the port side as the boat fell into a trough, I lost balance somehow became airborne, landing on my back heavily on top of the galley sink. Fortunately although in a fair amount of pain I was still able to to bring the boat home. Exrays today are clear though I was concerned I had broken my coxics. Laying up today contemplating the doctors prognosis of two weeks until the bruising subsidies I get to thinking. What if I was unable to continue to sail the boat. In my brief safety briefing I didn't instruct anyone how to use the radio and if you're out of mobile service it would be a serious situation for novice crew to get help. What do you guy's think
Cheers Phil
Sorry. No sympathy from me. You are the only person on board so called capable of handling the boat and you go and consume alcohol and suffer a careless accident. Sounds like negligence if not gross negligence.
get a life Frant! another who judges wiithout knowing Jack.
Who the f@ck is this frant person.
. Grrrrr.....
Hope you're feeling ok Phil. I live on ibroprofen. They allow me to keep training at my age. HGO2 knows the same story. Keep popping them mate.
My dad popped his shoulder out on his boat a while back, the bay was flat , just the wrong angle. so easy to hurt yourself on yachts.
Get better mate!
Who the f@ck is this frant person. ![]()
Grizzly Dave. Did over 20,000 nautical miles under sail in last two years.. Deliveries and offshore tuition. Afraid washed up made some serious rookie mistakes. I am just telling it like it is.
The way the first post was written it was fair to assume the only sailing capable person onboard was drinking. Later posts may change that assumption but the first post stands as is.
Drinking while managing a yacht at sea is very much a way of life for many.
It is still a stupid thing to do.
In his abusive post Brizzydave notes it is easy to get hurt on boats. And drinking helps??
There is a big difference between having a beer and being in charge of a vessel while drunk.
I don't drink at work and I would expect that in your 20,000 miles of delivering and tutoring (at work) then you wouldn't drink either.
A bit judgmental don't you think.
A first time poster comes on after having an incident, says what he thinks he's learned, and asks for people's opinions and advice so that he can learn more and he gets shot down in flames. That isn't going to promote an open, supportive community. Frant, it seems like you've got some valuable experience and knowledge to share, but honestly mate if you come in here without developing any relationships with anyone, talk other people down and yourself up, I don't think people are going to give you the time of day.
He had his elderley parents and 15 year old daughter on board for God sake. Just because he mentioned "a beer"....i think there's a good chance that we shouldn't even be discussing alcohol as such. If he said he was grabbing the next six pack of op rumbos and a towel for the stripper I'd be thinking hmmmm danger (and what a legend) .
Getting back to the topic;
Accidents can happen when you least expect as I found out,after a days sailing I was 200mts from my berth and fell over board with the wife on the helm.
I was packing away the mainsail and stepped off the coach roof onto a rope and rolled my angle and before I knew what had happen I was in the water.
It was so quick the wife kept the motor in gear, I managed to grap onto the tender and was being dragged along while yelling to the wife to take the motor out of gear.
I'm glad it didn't happen while under full sail. I now wear a angle brace and a life jacket.
So I think we should all brief our crew and talk through the process if the skipper was go over board .
I now practice man overboard recovery with my wife once a year.
I guess that where you find love for a sport,pastime or anything really. You will also find passion. This is obviously evident here in what we have seen posted over the last couple of days. Frant, you have a point, and your experience is valued. I had an accident because i made a mistake. If i didn't go below for that beer, or refrained completely all may still be well. Perhaps though you tacking is better developed than your tact. The washup from the weekend; well it appears that the old man doesn't want to sail with me anymore. He says he would rather go on brizzydaves boat. Dad reckons he's having much more fun than me with all that rum and strippers. Hang on dad wait for meeeee.... Seabird. Mate your so lucky you didn't get sliced up by the prop, now if that was my ex missus at the tiller. She would've backed up a couple of times untill there was lots of blood in the water and made absolutely sure that it was mine![]()
I guess that where you find love for a sport,pastime or anything really. You will also find passion. This is obviously evident here in what we have seen posted over the last couple of days. Frant, you have a point, and your experience is valued. I had an accident because i made a mistake. If i didn't go below for that beer, or refrained completely all may still be well. Perhaps though you tacking is better developed than your tact. The washup from the weekend; well it appears that the old man doesn't want to sail with me anymore. He says he would rather go on brizzydaves boat. Dad reckons he's having much more fun than me with all that rum and strippers. Hang on dad wait for meeeee.... Seabird. Mate your so lucky you didn't get sliced up by the prop, now if that was my ex missus at the tiller. She would've backed up a couple of times untill there was lots of blood in the water and made absolutely sure that it was mine![]()
nothing worse than a womens scorn ![]()
Getting back to the topic;
Accidents can happen when you least expect as I found out,after a days sailing I was 200mts from my berth and fell over board with the wife on the helm.
I was packing away the mainsail and stepped off the coach roof onto a rope and rolled my angle and before I knew what had happen I was in the water.
It was so quick the wife kept the motor in gear, I managed to grap onto the tender and was being dragged along while yelling to the wife to take the motor out of gear.
I'm glad it didn't happen while under full sail. I now wear a angle brace and a life jacket.
So I think we should all brief our crew and talk through the process if the skipper was go over board .
I now practice man overboard recovery with my wife once a year.
good idea. been bringing this up with mine as well. shes not too keen but its required for sure.
Seems that the O.P. Asked for an opinion not advice. Some people seem to believe that I am not entitled to an opinion. They certainly missed the point and if advise was asked for then I wouldn't offer on the forum for free. In my opinion it was not the alcohol but poor pre trip planning. The op in my humble opinion was actually lucky that he fell on his arse whilst climbing up the companionway hatch. Had he actually consumed that beer and gone aft to take a piss and "lost" his balance when hit by a " freak" wave and gone overboard what then. His mum crying out oh dear and daughter screaming come back daddy. Clearly they were all well briefed in MOB drill. And yes suddenly that one beer coupled with a few mouthfuls of salt water becomes a lethal cocktail. As a 15 year old I pulled a club member from the water in front of his two young children. The coroners report death by aspiration in his own vomit from just a few beers during lunch. Flat calm day and he was rowing out with his kids in a tender. The wash from a passing ship was enough to swamp the dinghy. So go right ahead fellas and express your opinions but don't trash the opinions of others who might just be a little wiser than you.
cheers frant
My opinon is , that since I was a youngster it was a Friday tradition for Dad and his mate to grab a couple of six pack with a hot chook and sail out to the fairway and back .
I also follow this tradition and still sail and drink with moderation .
In forty years I have never had any accident to my own self and cancer took my Dads life before a boating accident.
My amature sailing Mate hit His head with the boom which happened while I was drinking and he was sober I said are you right mate when he replied yes I just laughed and told him that's why it's called a BOOM he replied really? ![]()
Another time i had a Chinese woman fall down the companion way stairs and disculate her ankle this was in Narra inlet on a flat calm night she wasn't drinking and neither was I As I was in command of a commercial vessel at this time.
When the 0.05 drinking laws came into play I beleve it was to protect the drunks in Sydney harbor that don't know how to operate vessels after having a few to many beverages. I'm sure the stats where not based on coastral sailors and passage makers!
Anyways nothing is going to stop me sipping on a few coldies when sailing just hope I don't run into a RBT 10 mile of the coast !
Any one seen the next topic yet
To all who visit these data pages
Merry Xmas and a wonderful sailing year to all![]()
Even following the "one hand for you, one hand for the boat" theory accidents happen.
Good to hear you weren't busted bad.
It happened that I was making coffee at midnight coming down from Gladstone to Bundy and wore a hot cup, and making a sanga on a tug in 2 metre seas can be dodgy too.
Be cautious and have fun.
I'm a knob head I know. :-) merry Christmas guys. Really nice to read and learn the whole year. Hope the new boat is working out good spongey.
I'm a knob head I know. :-) merry Christmas guys. Really nice to read and learn the whole year. Hope the new boat is working out good spongey.
Don't drink and row mate you might bump into a RBT or catch a crab and end up on your back!
He he lol. Thanks southace. Hope you have a good one too. Doubt I could fit the oars into the rowlocks at the moment. ![]()
Well thanks for sharing anyway washed up. It was a timely reminder for me to make sure everyone at least knows how to operate the radio.
Mmmmm..
In NSW it is illegal to drive a car while drinking alcohol and/or have an alcohol level of .05 or above.
Funny thing is, this law also applies to those driving or in command of boats [of any type] in NSW.
On page 59 of the December issue of Afloat it is confirmed that this applies ONLY while underway.
So if Washedup had drunk that beer in NSW he would have been committing an offence.
As to his injury I can only extend my sympathies on his bad luck.
I have had 3 beers over 3 hours blown in the bag and not exceeded the limit. How could he be committing a offence on one beer?