Select to expand quoteDatawiz said..Bananabender said..saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!
Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please
With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.
regards,
Allan
I was referring to what saintpeter was planning
"Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!"
A colleague and friend founded this party earlier this year to attempt to address climate change issues in Australia i-c-a-n.com/ they also have a highly active Facebook page and are starting garner some high profile support.
Select to expand quoteDatawiz said..Bananabender said..saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!
Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please
With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.
regards,
Allan
On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.
I think its natural for a sailing forum to have a discussion about climate change /rising sea levels ect .
I also think we should discuss plastics in the ocean .
How about another thread on wind speed levels and records for regions for each month .
Another possible topic Water temperature records ?
you never know i might learn something !
Select to expand quoteWander66 said..southace said..
I personally love big jet planes, tonight at sunset I spotted these guys doing some cool heading changes and the black stuff that falls over all the rich mans nicely polished boats creates even more employment from them.??
Do you realise that these are chemtrails? They are released by the governments of first world to suppress sea levels in localised areas so that the impacts of climate change are hidden from the populace. 
Not just the government. Commercial Airliners have been fitted with chem tanks for decades.
Select to expand quoteSandS said..
I think its natural for a sailing forum to have a discussion about climate change /rising sea levels ect .
I also think we should discuss plastics in the ocean .
How about another thread on wind speed levels and records for regions for each month .
Another possible topic Water temperature records ?
you never know i might learn something !
BOM has all the stuff except there is nothing on plastics.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said.....
Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please
Hey teacher leave my thread alone! 
Select to expand quoteSandS said..
I think its natural for a sailing forum to have a discussion about climate change /rising sea levels ect .
I also think we should discuss plastics in the ocean .
How about another thread on wind speed levels and records for regions for each month .
Another possible topic Water temperature records ?
you never know i might learn something !
....we could have a look at why the exoskeletons of krill and other small marine critters are thinning and the flow on effects up the food chain?
........oh and why the kelp forests of east coast Tassy have just about disappeared?
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..Datawiz said..Bananabender said..saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!
Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please
With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.
regards,
Allan
On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.
With respect MB, the topic was initiated by Guitz and within its thread, I have no political agenda.
I am however, a strong protagonist of science and scientific method which, by experiment, measurement and observation, seeks to establish facts.
Using those facts, it is the function of science to arrive at logical conclusions, make predictions and refute beliefs based on fallacies.
It is my commitment to science that motivates and guides my posts in this thread.
regards,Allan
Select to expand quoteDatawiz said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..Bananabender said..saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!
Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please
With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.
regards,
Allan
On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.
With respect MB, the topic was initiated by Guitz and within its thread, I have no political agenda.
I am however, a strong protagonist of science and scientific method which, by experiment, measurement and observation, seeks to establish facts.
Using those facts, it is the function of science to arrive at logical conclusions, make predictions and refute beliefs based on fallacies.
It is my commitment to science that motivates and guides my posts in this thread.
regards,Allan
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..Datawiz said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..Bananabender said..saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!
Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please
With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.
regards,
Allan
On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.
With respect MB, the topic was initiated by Guitz and within its thread, I have no political agenda.
I am however, a strong protagonist of science and scientific method which, by experiment, measurement and observation, seeks to establish facts.
Using those facts, it is the function of science to arrive at logical conclusions, make predictions and refute beliefs based on fallacies.
It is my commitment to science that motivates and guides my posts in this thread.
regards,Allan
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
I also consider myself logical , recently I have made this a pet project of mine to research everything I can on Human affected climate change , the science is without a doubt settled , now the issue is , and where without a doubt the science is not settled , is how severe the consequences will be if we don t make change
China/India is where Greta should really be lecturing , of coarse we know how that would end!
I am now without a doubt a Human affected climate change believer , however I am often embarrassed at the behavior of my fellow believers in online debates , debates around the dinner table or face to face are always more positive .
Select to expand quotesaintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
bat and ball , hahahaha give yourself an uppercut bloke , people have a different opinion , it makes the world more interesting
Select to expand quotesaintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".
Science is never settled. That is why it is science.
Religion is settled, because it can never be questioned.
Select to expand quotecisco said..saintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".
Let's dumb it down for you then ..take a look at this first graph and some of the corresponding pages from nasa
climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..
Science is never settled. That is why it is science.
Religion is settled, because it can never be questioned.
MB you cannot deny there is a sound basis for required action , the scientific consensus is pretty hard to debate, a bit like flat earth theory really haha
I personally think the current Government Policy is sound
Select to expand quotelemodular said..cisco said..saintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".
Let's dumb it down for you then ..take a look at this first graph and some of the corresponding pages from nasa
climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
How about you get off your high horse and have a respectful debate
My favourite is the Greta only gets up the nose of old white men , total piffle , I was at a table of peeps the other night and most of the ladies found her style distasteful as well
edit , personally I find having Greta as the poster child for the movement a little distasteful , I hope the young lady comes through it all happy and healthy
Select to expand quoteshane450 said..MorningBird said..
Science is never settled. That is why it is science.
Religion is settled, because it can never be questioned.
MB you cannot deny there is a sound basis for required action , the scientific consensus is pretty hard to debate, a bit like flat earth theory really haha
I personally think the current Government Policy is sound
Action costs. Bill couldn't provide a cost. I doubt anybody can.
What action do you suggest, what will it cost the Australian economy and by how much will it reduce the global temperature?
I must add I am a conservation minded person. I hate waste and practice waste minimisation. We can't use finite resources indiscriminately.
I despair about resource usage in the big users.
But I will always argue that actions have to be grounded on rational and logical grounds. Virtue signalling is plain dumb.
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And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
It is a shame you feel that way Saint Peter.
This thread was started with a SAILING interest in mind and has generally been debated with the respect to others that the Sailing forum is good for. It is a contentious issue and was always going to end in heated and diverse opinions.
No-one has flagged the thread and it has not broken any of the Seabreeze rules. It would be nice to see it come back on track in regards to Vagabond and leave the other bickering to the pages and pages of the same topic in the General or HW forum.
But then again, this is just my opinion.....
Select to expand quoteMorningBird said..shane450 said..MorningBird said..
Science is never settled. That is why it is science.
Religion is settled, because it can never be questioned.
MB you cannot deny there is a sound basis for required action , the scientific consensus is pretty hard to debate, a bit like flat earth theory really haha
I personally think the current Government Policy is sound
Action costs. Bill couldn't provide a cost. I doubt anybody can.
What action do you suggest, what will it cost the Australian economy and by how much will it reduce the global temperature?
I must add I am a conservation minded person. I hate waste and practice waste minimisation. We can't use finite resources indiscriminately.
I despair about resource usage in the big users.
But I will always argue that actions have to be grounded on rational and logical grounds. Virtue signalling is plain dumb.
Therein lies the crux of the matter , it is complicated and no one has the answer as far as I can tell , but like I said I don t mind the current Governments policy , its fairly reasonable IMO
Now MB you know as well as I do , and the science on this is also sound , even if we went down the rabbit hole our contribution is tiny compared to China/India/USA so there would be very little reduction , but , and I m sure you agree that is not a valid reason not to do anything , our actions need to be carefully and wisely considered , but we must start to take action
On the virtue signalling I completely agree
Select to expand quotecisco said..saintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".
With respect Cisco, perhaps you could offer an example of "manipulated' data.
To be fair, since the reference material used to support the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change is contained in the 2019 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5?C", it is only right that you choose examples from that report to demonstrate that the data has been manipulated.
Here's a link to that document
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/download/
regards,
Allan
Select to expand quoteDatawiz said..cisco said..saintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".
With respect Cisco, perhaps you could offer an example of "manipulated' data.
To be fair, since the reference material used to support the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change is contained in the 2019 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5?C", it is only right that you choose examples from that report to demonstrate that the data has been manipulated.
Here's a link to that document
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/download/
regards,
Allan
Cisco still thinks the Illuminati is a real thing because there's some videos on YouTube with some spooky backing music.
That's why the scientists are all trying to fool you.
Its hard to believe isn't it ?
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-30/melting-greenland-glaciers-weighed-by-australian-scientists/11630970
Select to expand quoteshane450 said..
Therein lies the crux of the matter , it is complicated and no one has the answer as far as I can tell , but like I said I don t mind the current Governments policy , its fairly reasonable IMO
Now MB you know as well as I do , and the science on this is also sound , even if we went down the rabbit hole our contribution is tiny compared to China/India/USA so there would be very little reduction , but , and I m sure you agree that is not a valid reason not to do anything , our actions need to be carefully and wisely considered , but we must start to take action
On the virtue signalling I completely agree
Nicely said regarding sound science and culpability rather than quantity of emissions however we (Australia) are like the enablers for those economies to ignore facts, sure dig up that x billion tons of coal. We are a top 15 economy without any thought to the future or spirit of endeavour.
We also weren't smart enough to tax the coal exports and build a Norway style portfolio... Pity, a nice investment portfolio of new technologies would have been very useful about now.
Select to expand quotesaintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Bat...ball...flounce... etc etc
This great movie is about this very subject (the whole of Earth is like Sydney), except we dont have an escape route. Scary!
Select to expand quoteDatawiz said..cisco said..saintpeter said..MorningBird said..Datawiz said..
I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.
Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.
Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".
With respect Cisco, perhaps you could offer an example of "manipulated' data.
To be fair, since the reference material used to support the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change is contained in the 2019 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5?C", it is only right that you choose examples from that report to demonstrate that the data has been manipulated.
Here's a link to that document
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/download/
regards,
Allan
Allan , there is actually quite a lot of debate around some of the Data and it has muddied the water unfortunately for many I can understand how some become cynical , some of the reports out there are more like an opinion piece rather than fact based robust science , not referring to your linked report above .
I am confident the most cynical understand we must make a change , the elephant in the room is how do we get China and India down the rabbit hole with us .
My opinion on La vagabond giving Greta a ride , it was a master stroke for their business , I am glad they made it safely , I look forward to the episodes , they have been a little boring since the little one came along/ they switched to a Cat IMO so I have not been watching them
