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Enough of UNSAFE kiters

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Created by ndvk > 9 months ago, 23 Feb 2014
Rattlehead
QLD, 555 posts
25 Feb 2014 12:02PM
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Kamikuza said..

JonnyFreer said..

I choose not to jump.


Why would you not? Unless you're on a directional...


Obviously a grass mower ....... with a leash

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
25 Feb 2014 12:15PM
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ndvk said..
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1) The person flying the kite is in control of the launch. The person holding your kite is not responsible for your ****ty launch, it is up to YOU to get in the right position (ie. NOT upwind of the person holding your kite)
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I was nodding and agreeing with everything you said, until you said the above in bold.

NOooooooo....

Kiter MUST go upwind to stabalise the kite ready to give the thumbs up! If they go DOWN wind, the kite will not start to catch wind and will flap even more. I am surprised you said that really.

glendog
QLD, 520 posts
25 Feb 2014 2:21PM
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Kazan said...
ndvk said..
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1) The person flying the kite is in control of the launch. The person holding your kite is not responsible for your ****ty launch, it is up to YOU to get in the right position (ie. NOT upwind of the person holding your kite)
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I was nodding and agreeing with everything you said, until you said the above in bold.

NOooooooo....

Kiter MUST go upwind to stabalise the kite ready to give the thumbs up! If they go DOWN wind, the kite will not start to catch wind and will flap even more. I am surprised you said that really.
na start off down wind with a flappy kite and slowly walk up wind till it gets tight. People walk to far upwind at the start and the kite shoots forward.

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
26 Feb 2014 11:59AM
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Sanchin said..

Surprised none of the instructors didnt go down there quick and help them to decide to walk 200m out to safety. Do you guys get those tickets out of weetbix packets?


Really? You really think instructors give a toss? LOL

Kazan
QLD, 699 posts
26 Feb 2014 12:00PM
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glendog said..

Kazan said...
ndvk said..
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1) The person flying the kite is in control of the launch. The person holding your kite is not responsible for your ****ty launch, it is up to YOU to get in the right position (ie. NOT upwind of the person holding your kite)
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I was nodding and agreeing with everything you said, until you said the above in bold.

NOooooooo....

Kiter MUST go upwind to stabalise the kite ready to give the thumbs up! If they go DOWN wind, the kite will not start to catch wind and will flap even more. I am surprised you said that really.
na start off down wind with a flappy kite and slowly walk up wind till it gets tight. People walk to far upwind at the start and the kite shoots forward.




AHH got ya. Yeah you're right. Starting downwind is fooked.

JaimeT
QLD, 26 posts
26 Feb 2014 12:42PM
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Kazan said..

Sanchin said..

Surprised none of the instructors didnt go down there quick and help them to decide to walk 200m out to safety. Do you guys get those tickets out of weetbix packets?


Really? You really think instructors give a toss? LOL


Actually most instructors do give a toss, but are normally focused on the safety of the student directly under our instruction/care.

Imagine if we left our paying student to help someone who didn't assess the spot and hazards for whatever reason and the paying student ended up getting in a pickle/hurt? Imaging the outcry from that? Not to mention the rest of the butthurt that goes with it for the business and the instructor.

Gilly3
QLD, 799 posts
27 Feb 2014 9:30PM
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Looking like another busy weekend on the water coming up

So I went out and bought me a new bit of kit





Board Leash Hacks.....BEWARE!


I will also be available to launch and land ur kite............................single handedly

Rattlehead
QLD, 555 posts
27 Feb 2014 9:37PM
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Really everyone on the beach should give a toss .If you see someone obviously doing something dangerous or about to do something dangerous or stupid you and or others should say something.
Whether it' s pointing out the dangers to someone using a leash , or pumping up a kite that's obviously beyond their control capabilities , or some newby launching too hot or to close to trees or rocks ect , ..the list goes on and on

Reality there is big potential for someone , whether it be the kiter themselves or some poor innocent bystander possibly a member of the public or one of our kids , to be hurt or killed .

At the end of the day is bad for the people involved , the witnesses and the whole sport in general , we really don't need any bad publicity.

Back to leashes , most people who use them are not aware of the dangers , and it's obviously an easy way for beginners who don't know any better and have probably not been instructed in their coarse ,to keep their board nearby , and those who are too scared to swim with the big grey fishies with teeth as bit of a security blanket. If you insist on using one for gods sake wear a helmet and impact vest at least.

stormgod
QLD, 137 posts
27 Feb 2014 10:48PM
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Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.

LostinSpace
QLD, 388 posts
27 Feb 2014 11:04PM
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stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?

stormgod
QLD, 137 posts
27 Feb 2014 11:10PM
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Lost in space. ..im just looking forward to carving it up on the Broadwater. After an extreme hot week. Nothing better than the tranquility of the flat water at kfc. Wind or no wind.

LostinSpace
QLD, 388 posts
27 Feb 2014 11:12PM
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Just make sure you bring a board leash and be a KOOK

JaimeT
QLD, 26 posts
28 Feb 2014 8:00AM
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I want a leash now... join the cool kids... think I would get slammed for a having a leash with boots? Could be a new fashion statement :D

LostinSpace
QLD, 388 posts
28 Feb 2014 8:25AM
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JaimeT said..

I want a leash now... join the cool kids... think I would get slammed for a having a leash with boots? Could be a new fashion statement :D


Jaime, the only way you could ever become cool, you would have to start wearing a bucket hat maaaaate!

fcalmon
QLD, 165 posts
28 Feb 2014 2:51PM
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LostinSpace said..

stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?


I agree with that, Shearwater is the way to go. And also there is no Sharks whatsoever...

glendog
QLD, 520 posts
28 Feb 2014 9:29PM
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stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


fully

Main
QLD, 2338 posts
28 Feb 2014 9:30PM
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fcalmon said..

LostinSpace said..

stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?


I agree with that, Shearwater is the way to go. And also there is no Sharks whatsoever...


Nah - Currumbin is a better option cokinyah !!

Gilly3
QLD, 799 posts
1 Mar 2014 1:33PM
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Main said..


Nah - Currumbin is a better option cokinyah !!


Ha ha, close......

Australian = Cockinya

Columbian = Cokeinya

Brazillian = Coquinho

fcalmon
QLD, 165 posts
1 Mar 2014 10:04PM
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Main said..

fcalmon said..

LostinSpace said..

stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?


I agree with that, Shearwater is the way to go. And also there is no Sharks whatsoever...


Nah - Currumbin is a better option cokinyah !!


You guys are very funny..... Too many sharks in Currumbin. Very dangerous !! Stay away !

stormgod
QLD, 137 posts
1 Mar 2014 10:53PM
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fcalmon said...
Main said..

fcalmon said..

LostinSpace said..

stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?


I agree with that, Shearwater is the way to go. And also there is no Sharks whatsoever...


Nah - Currumbin is a better option cokinyah !!


You guys are very funny..... Too many sharks in Currumbin. Very dangerous !! Stay away !

Vote 1. For all of the above. Shearwater is the best for teaching and gay board leashes. ..

Mars Attacks
QLD, 17 posts
2 Mar 2014 10:52AM
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stormgod said..

fcalmon said...
Main said..

fcalmon said..

LostinSpace said..

stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?


I agree with that, Shearwater is the way to go. And also there is no Sharks whatsoever...


Nah - Currumbin is a better option cokinyah !!


You guys are very funny..... Too many sharks in Currumbin. Very dangerous !! Stay away !

Vote 1. For all of the above. Shearwater is the best for teaching and gay board leashes. ..


Except if your a Euro Blow-In Kite Instructor that have no manners and have done nothing to fit in or introduce themselves to the locals or other Instructors plus want to undercut the market then Kfcs is the best place for these!

Main
QLD, 2338 posts
2 Mar 2014 8:31PM
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fcalmon said..

Main said..

fcalmon said..

LostinSpace said..

stormgod said..

Best location for board leashes is the wonderful shear water. It has a lot less obstructions and less shallow sand bars unlike kfc. Plus shear water has some of the best instructors teaching their on a regular basis. As its a great place to learn.


What a nice positive post there Stormy after all the above negativity Please assure us your not being the usual sarcastic B'stard you normally are?


I agree with that, Shearwater is the way to go. And also there is no Sharks whatsoever...


Nah - Currumbin is a better option cokinyah !!


You guys are very funny..... Too many sharks in Currumbin. Very dangerous !! Stay away !


So tell us - is it garlic eating fox or coconut ????

flyingcab
VIC, 942 posts
9 Mar 2014 2:02PM
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Kamikuza said..

JonnyFreer said..

I choose not to jump.


Why would you not? Unless you're on a directional...


why don't you jump that is the whole fun of the sport!

flyingcab
VIC, 942 posts
9 Mar 2014 2:17PM
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ndvk said..

Unfortunately being that the gold coast seems to be increasingly full of ridiculously unsafe novice kiteboarders, it is only logical that someone address these issues in a drastic attempt to save the integrity of our sport, as well as the health and safety of riders and beach goers everywhere. Ready for a good rant?
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WHAT THE HELL is with all the board-leashed hacks clogging up lodders and shearwater this season???? It absolutely baffles my mind that there are so many people who have a clear disregard for their own safety and as a result continue to use this utterly stupid and dangerous piece of equipment, while making a mockery of kiteboarding.
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Today at shearwater a young boy, (after being hot launched by his father in 30knts, clearly not giving a damn about his son?s safety or having any clue how to kite safely himself), came in hysterical after his board leash slingshotted his board into his leg rendering him unable to weight bear at all. In tears, his father carried him to the car, and when a concerned kiter offered assistance and advice regarding the dangers of using a board leash, he disregarded the evidence, refusing to take responsibility for his son?s careless injury. This is only one example, I see it every single time I go out now and its just pathetic. Honestly, how can anyone even be this stupid? The simplicity of the matter only leads to one conclusion ? people are NOT getting lessons by certified or EXPERIENCED kiters, and additionally don?t have brains inside their skulls.
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If you can?t use common sense to figure out why board leashes are dangerous, here?s a little step-by-step action sequence for you (on the principles of basic physics): You crash. Kite pulls DOWNWIND. You go DOWNWIND with the kite. Bungee cord leash STRETCHES. Board stays UPWIND, board leash tightens as you travel downwind, until tension maxes out and then what happens????!! The board has no where to go but DOWNWIND !!! where are you?? DOWNWIND!!! So you get a perfect smash in your leg or back if you?re lucky. I know 3 people personally who have had a nice big edge in the head from this exact event, resulting in traumatic brain injuries, never being able to work or ride again, and from then on needing someone to cook their meals and wipe their ass.
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OH, and also, what the hell is wearing a board leash even getting you? Besides half ass skills that don?t include BODY DRAGGING upwind??? When you learned to drive an effing car did you just not learn how to turn left? You are missing an insanely important skill if you are too lazy to body drag to your board. NO IKO school uses board leashes, as they are discredited. Any person teaching with one should be banned from the sport. Any shop selling board leashes should be ashamed of themselves. Any person using one should open their eyes and see that NO EXPERIENCED KITER USES A BOARD LEASH. Look around, people. Seriously. You put us at risk of getting banned by councils if you get injured (we are already on the edge with them) and you look like a total dickhead using one.
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Kite shops selling gear to people who have never kited before, without mention of the complexity of the equipment or how important it is to get lessons should be shut down. Kiteboarding is not for everyone, especially people who are too daft to accurately assess the steep learning curve and risk involved in the sport. Those of us who have been doing this for years are damn sick of new freaks thinking they can just buy random equipment on ebay, come and do dangerous **** on our beaches and be a dickhead just because they are too cheap to get lessons.
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ADDITIONALLY - without lessons, no one has the chance to tell you proper kiteboarding etiquette. So CHECK IT:
1) The person flying the kite is in control of the launch. The person holding your kite is not responsible for your ****ty launch, it is up to YOU to get in the right position (ie. NOT upwind of the person holding your kite)
2) kiters launching have right of way over those coming into the beach from the water. If you want to come in, and see someone launching, do another tack.
3) ON THE WATER: person on the starboard tack has the right of way.
4) ON THE WATER: if you are upwind of someone, put your kite UP. If you are downwind of someone, put your kite DOWN. makes for easy passing. not rocket science.
5) DO NOT jump unless you have 50m clear space downwind.
6) CHECK behind you before you turn.
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So here?s the point. You wear a board leash, or demonstrate unsafe practices on the kite beach or in the water that cause risk to other kiters or anyone else, you will be told. It is our responsibility to keep kiting SAFE and FUN and minimise risk through teaching proper technique to level headed people. We are all completely sick of this stuff happening, and unsafe kiters will be advised to either alter practices to be safe, or go do their dangerous **** elsewhere. I don?t give a crap if people think its harsh, deal with it princess.
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Kiteboarding is our life, and we all just wanna have fun. Anyone who is unsure of what to do, find an experienced kiter and they will be be glad to give you advice and help you learn the RIGHT way. HOWEVER, unsafe kiters who have an ego problem are NOT WELCOME and you will get an earful if you are disregarding your own or others? safety. If you are unsure of what safe practices are, JUST ASK SOMEONE, and you get instant respect.



found a great board leash and at a great price!! www.3dcartstores.com

tatkins
QLD, 344 posts
23 Mar 2014 8:06PM
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Reading this thread I realise it is very unsafe for everyone (public, tourists & local kiters plus anyone else in the local vicinity) where kitesurfing is occurring on the GC. There will be people who's agenda is to ban the sport form their local beaches. This thread will help support their cause.

I am glad we have none of these issues in Brisbane or the Sunshine Coast, where we hold safety above all else; for the general public, visitors and locals alike. It's so safe up here we have more injuries occur at the lawn bowls club.

Did I mention how safe kitesurfing is in Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast

stormgod
QLD, 137 posts
24 Mar 2014 5:59PM
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MOST PROBLEMS COME FROM BLOW IN NOOBS FROM BRISBANE AND SUNSHINE COAST, thats why you dont have issues as their all down at Lodders Gold Coast..

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tatkins said..

Reading this thread I realise it is very unsafe for everyone (public, tourists & local kiters plus anyone else in the local vicinity) where kitesurfing is occurring on the GC. There will be people who's agenda is to ban the sport form their local beaches. This thread will help support their cause.

I am glad we have none of these issues in Brisbane or the Sunshine Coast, where we hold safety above all else; for the general public, visitors and locals alike. It's so safe up here we have more injuries occur at the lawn bowls club.

Did I mention how safe kitesurfing is in Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast


Fly on da wall
SA, 725 posts
24 Mar 2014 9:46PM
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Hey stormgood, what kites n board do you ride... You deserve all the attention down there n I'd love too give you some! How long have you been kiting n hiding?

paulio
QLD, 890 posts
26 Mar 2014 5:42PM
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Brisbud said...
Hey stormgood, what kites n board do you ride... You deserve all the attention down there n I'd love too give you some! How long have you been kiting n hiding?


Wow Mr Green thats a long way to travel to give attention to someone

Caney
SA, 118 posts
6 May 2014 11:53AM
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Oh god this has been an amazing read!

To the thread starter; just FYI accidents and things happen.



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