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The Edge Legacy continues

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Created by INTHELOOP > 9 months ago, 12 Apr 2014
INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
12 Apr 2014 10:13AM
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heaps of new sizes on the new and improved Edge.

Soon they will become available to order. Stay tuned and have a good think about sizing. 8m Edge is going to be the boosting monster!

Note the new Edge now with D2 canopy material.




12 Apr 2014 1:22PM
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Available to oder from your Ozone dealer now. New sizes, 5, 6 and 8M as well as all the rest, pricing will be released early next week. Minor increase over last year predicted.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
12 Apr 2014 3:28PM
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What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
12 Apr 2014 6:00PM
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Chris6791 said..
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


... D2 was invented by North

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
12 Apr 2014 7:02PM
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Puetz said...
Chris6791 said..
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


... D2 was invented by North


Sorry d2 was invented by the manufacturer of the material, north tried for a exclusivity deal on that material, but looks like they didn't get it

ewan kite
VIC, 928 posts
12 Apr 2014 9:28PM
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cauncy said...
Puetz said...
Chris6791 said..
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


... D2 was invented by North


Sorry d2 was invented by the manufacturer of the material, north tried for a exclusivity deal on that material, but looks like they didn't get it


Manufacturers... Invented by North

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
12 Apr 2014 7:34PM
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Chris6791 said...
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


Had the edges since the start, the more efficient they are, the weaker they've become, spoke last week to wa,a best and most trusted kite repairer, we discussed buying new edges then making them more robust for us that have them for free ride, he said it'd be simple during manufacture but very costly as a custom job, I split my le on my 10 last week, piss weak impact, after years on the edges I'm changing, as a race kite great, amazing free ride kite until you crash it , saying that I've not had a drama in the small sizes 9 and above have been problematic

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
12 Apr 2014 9:49PM
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cauncy said..
Puetz said...

Chris6791 said..

What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.




... D2 was invented by North



Sorry d2 was invented by the manufacturer of the material, north tried for a exclusivity deal on that material, but looks like they didn't get it


... just joking dude, I know!

JohnnoKeys
WA, 551 posts
12 Apr 2014 8:21PM
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Very Sweet top end kites Cauncy - maybe just don't smash in water and not a problem ever - maybe it is operator error if you destroy

I had the same problem with surf kites in Indonesia in 3m surf - ripped 3 in half in 3 years at Leaky Peak . Maybe my operator error or should I blame the kite manufacturer.

Just a thought


cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
12 Apr 2014 9:14PM
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If you don't crash your kite from time to time then your not pushing hard enough, if every time you crash your kite it splits it halts progression ,as a 10 day turn around on repair gives me the ****s especially when it's cranking, I'm not a disgruntled owner as I pay next to nothing for my edges , it's just something that you need to be aware of when shelling out some serious money, we had a shop defending the quality of construction of the edges a few months ago , but when you checked his website or the buy and sell nearly every edge he was selling had a professional repair, I'm in the sport for the love of it , not for monetary gain

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
12 Apr 2014 9:22PM
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JohnnoKeys said...
Very Sweet top end kites Cauncy - maybe just don't smash in water and not a problem ever - maybe it is operator error if you destroy

I had the same problem with surf kites in Indonesia in 3m surf - ripped 3 in half in 3 years at Leaky Peak . Maybe my operator error or should I blame the kite manufacturer.

Just a thought





Surf and swell is acceptable , a low powered slap isn't, a full release helps so the isn't any friction on the kite , but access your position as you could be letting go of a important means of floatations if you remembered to lock off your struts, which I dont[

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
12 Apr 2014 10:55PM
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It probably doesn't help that many of use take a perfectly good race kite and flog them. Kind of like Red Bull.

Loftywinds
QLD, 2060 posts
13 Apr 2014 1:30AM
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I don't get it why you guys promoting the new Edge (or anything in here) don't simply pay your $16 advertising costs and do it in the For Sale section or a new section for ads?

Seriously, like who gives a flying toss about "seven world champions later (paid to say anything really anyway)", "oh we are the greatest and best"..."we know kites"... "d2 made by so and so...", etc etc. blahblahblah.

If you're going to provide a promo for a new kite, can you at least be honest and get a proper review written up about it and preferably by an independent member of the public, instead of your I-own-shop-we-rule-the-world approach?

Sick of hype that's all.

Besides, in case your egos and $$ in your eyes cannot read - the sign on this forum is called "Gear Reviews". Write a proper review - not a promo.

INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
13 Apr 2014 5:48AM
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ewan kite said..

cauncy said...
Puetz said...
Chris6791 said..
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


... D2 was invented by North


Sorry d2 was invented by the manufacturer of the material, north tried for a exclusivity deal on that material, but looks like they didn't get it


Manufacturers... Invented by North


no Ewan D2 is invented by Teijin but North had exclusive use for it for few years. Ozone using it as well now. Basically its a double ripstop material that is tougher and holds more tension. Canopy doesn't stretch as quickly..

BTW Naish uses Tejin as well, not sure about D2 tho ;)

Plummet
4862 posts
13 Apr 2014 5:10AM
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cauncy said..

Chris6791 said...
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


Had the edges since the start, the more efficient they are, the weaker they've become, spoke last week to wa,a best and most trusted kite repairer, we discussed buying new edges then making them more robust for us that have them for free ride, he said it'd be simple during manufacture but very costly as a custom job, I split my le on my 10 last week, piss weak impact, after years on the edges I'm changing, as a race kite great, amazing free ride kite until you crash it , saying that I've not had a drama in the small sizes 9 and above have been problematic


On the opposite side to the spectrum. I just can't kill my 2010 13m edge... It just keeps going and going and going. .. .. . Its got some pin holes and a slow leak but no major repairs!...
I admit I hardly ever crash my big edge. Even if I'm getting pissbowled in a wave I can usually keep it in the sky.

13 Apr 2014 1:53PM
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cauncy said..

If you don't crash your kite from time to time then your not pushing hard enough, if every time you crash your kite it splits it halts progression ,as a 10 day turn around on repair gives me the ****s especially when it's cranking, I'm not a disgruntled owner as I pay next to nothing for my edges , it's just something that you need to be aware of when shelling out some serious money, we had a shop defending the quality of construction of the edges a few months ago , but when you checked his website or the buy and sell nearly every edge he was selling had a professional repair, I'm in the sport for the love of it , not for monetary gain


Well I'm in the sport because I love it too. I'm also in to make a living and pay the wages of several people (inc 10% super and Workcover), collect a lot of tax for the gov't (GST and company tax), but I totally reject the implication that because I make a living from selling and servicing kites then everything I say must be a lie or at least a partial lie.

There have been a lot of Edges sold in Oz, hundreds, literally! If they were all splitting every time they crashed the news of that would be widespread and they would be regarded as total rubbish and no-one would buy them or fly them.

The truth is, that the canopy is exactly the same material and construction as all the other Ozone kites sold during the time the Edges have been produced. The 2013 Edge has been "lightened" by making the bridle from thin unsheathed dyneema (much lower drag and weight), and some scuff pads were reduced in size or removed, some dacron panels in the tips were reduced in size. Every other facet of construction and material used is identical to all other Ozone kites.
Are we hearing about all Ozone kites being weak and splitting whenever they are crashed???

Kites splitting that have not split during a previous seasons (or more) worth of flying have clearly had some recent damage from self launching or self landing that has gone unnoticed by the owner, and then when the kite is crashed hard the kite "just splits" for no apparent reason. Every shop and repairer hears these stories all the time.

Ozone are constantly improving their product's construction, this is due to the philosophy the company is built on and run by, call "Kaizen". Everyone in the Ozone company from the owners, the staff, dealers, team riders and especially including the customers is listened to and the resulting knowledge is used to improve everything about the company and its products.

Definition of Kaizen here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

There is not a large or larger number of claims coming from Edge owners, than any other Ozone kite, and in general claims on Ozone products are very low across the several brands we stock.

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
13 Apr 2014 5:41PM
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... Ozone - invented by North!

13 Apr 2014 7:29PM
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Puetz said..

... Ozone - invented by North!


More likely, Puetz, invented and owned by North!!

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
13 Apr 2014 7:14PM
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Kitepower Australia said..

cauncy said..

If you don't crash your kite from time to time then your not pushing hard enough, if every time you crash your kite it splits it halts progression ,as a 10 day turn around on repair gives me the ****s especially when it's cranking, I'm not a disgruntled owner as I pay next to nothing for my edges , it's just something that you need to be aware of when shelling out some serious money, we had a shop defending the quality of construction of the edges a few months ago , but when you checked his website or the buy and sell nearly every edge he was selling had a professional repair, I'm in the sport for the love of it , not for monetary gain


Well I'm in the sport because I love it too. I'm also in to make a living and pay the wages of several people (inc 10% super and Workcover), collect a lot of tax for the gov't (GST and company tax), but I totally reject the implication that because I make a living from selling and servicing kites then everything I say must be a lie or at least a partial lie.

There have been a lot of Edges sold in Oz, hundreds, literally! If they were all splitting every time they crashed the news of that would be widespread and they would be regarded as total rubbish and no-one would buy them or fly them.

The truth is, that the canopy is exactly the same material and construction as all the other Ozone kites sold during the time the Edges have been produced. The 2013 Edge has been "lightened" by making the bridle from thin unsheathed dyneema (much lower drag and weight), and some scuff pads were reduced in size or removed, some dacron panels in the tips were reduced in size. Every other facet of construction and material used is identical to all other Ozone kites.
Are we hearing about all Ozone kites being weak and splitting whenever they are crashed???

Kites splitting that have not split during a previous seasons (or more) worth of flying have clearly had some recent damage from self launching or self landing that has gone unnoticed by the owner, and then when the kite is crashed hard the kite "just splits" for no apparent reason. Every shop and repairer hears these stories all the time.

Ozone are constantly improving their product's construction, this is due to the philosophy the company is built on and run by, call "Kaizen". Everyone in the Ozone company from the owners, the staff, dealers, team riders and especially including the customers is listened to and the resulting knowledge is used to improve everything about the company and its products.

Definition of Kaizen here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

There is not a large or larger number of claims coming from Edge owners, than any other Ozone kite, and in general claims on Ozone products are very low across the several brands we stock.



well we must be seriously unlucky here, as 4 edge riders all have and have had issues with multiple leading edge splits, all near the bridle connection points, I also know of 2 riders in gero with the same dramas, also spoke last week to wa,s main kite repairer and during discussion he mentioned a sway of repairs to the edge over other models and brands, id say its the long wing as its design that makes it prone against other kites that are very c in design, especially in the ozone range, never had a drama with my cat and I spanked that in some big 40knt nwesters, the old instinct and 7 strut models were less prone than the much lighter and lesser strut models, as a racing kite youll not get upside down or back to front much with this kite so no dramas, but if you push yourself like some, your kite will make contact with the water, some kites can take punishment others not, the edge is in the other not section, if im talking rubbish then you could do a free repair or kite replacement as your that confident that you wont have a drama, s88t I might even buy one from you with half a dozen riders here, im talking from a riders point of view not a distributor slash retailer, I can give you some photgraphic evidence if youd like, if you've ever owned a high end ducati bike the edge is very similar in pleasure and frustration for a free rider in performance and unreliability

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
13 Apr 2014 11:12PM
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I'm not bagging the current Edges, I'd just like to se them beefed up a bit more. The perfect scenario would be for Ozone to split the Edges, one lightweight Race model and a beefed up Freeride. I can't see how it would be difficult at the manufacturing stage, they have separate race control bar/lines so they have already recognised the kites go to different end users.

Plummet
4862 posts
14 Apr 2014 4:12AM
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I am really tempted to get a 5m edge and do some speed runs in 40 knots!!!!......

shadeyMF
WA, 15 posts
14 Apr 2014 10:47AM
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most importantly theres a new edge out ,,, time to buy last years edge at a better price :)

Plummet
4862 posts
14 Apr 2014 12:12PM
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Kamikuza said..

Plummet said...
mattyj said..

Wow!! there really are some special kinds of stupid.
I think its great that the shop owners get on here and share their knowledge and give us a sneek peek at their products coming up, yet some of you guys feel the need to bag them for it or even worse give them the dreaded red thumb.
They you all go and whinge because a race kite isnt tough enough to be a free ride kite and it can't handle all the flogging you give it
Heres a thought maybe kite companies should start to make kite out of the same thing keyboards are made from cause all you arm chair experts seem to give them a pounding and they keep going.
Seriously all this thread was meant to be is to give anyone who is interested a look at a new product but yet again the usual suspects get on and bad a race kite for not being a free ride kite or have a cry cause a surf kite cant boost or because a wakestyle kite is no good for them when they dont use it for their poo stance mowing the lawn style.
If you keyboard experts where as good as you think you are or actually had the talent that goes with the opinion you have it would be entertaining down at the local instead of the 55+ bucket hat crew.
Id rather kite with euros then listen to half the **** you blokes write on here


The irony is that you are ranting at the ranters rant.

Lets clear up what we can and cannot say on this site.

So it is ok to insult people and tell them off for having an opinion?
But it is not ok to voice your opinion about something? or is it ok as long as that opinion is the same as your opinion?

Now there's even more irony going on!
I'm telling off the teller offer! But i'm also taking the piss......
Now we need a serial piss taker to take the piss out if me in an effort to stop my own piss taking.



You're allowed an opinion about Ozone products but if - and only if! - it's a positive one

Oh and - support your local (Ozone) dealer! Cos they provide much needed services. Like repairs LOL


Yes I believe you are correct. I am allowed to enjoy my 2010 edge lasting and lasting... but i'm not allowed to say i dislike the newer c4's. Cauncy is allowed to rave about the edges boostability but he is not permitted to voice concern at the thing bursting when he tomohawkes them into the water.

On completely unrelated ozone news. I've been flying an ozone quantum fixed bridle race kite in my buggy.... that thing is stupid, rediculous and stupendous....

Its stupendiculous!

Is that good or bad? yes it is!

mattyj
QLD, 66 posts
14 Apr 2014 2:16PM
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Bait taken!
That was just too easy.
Plummet, kamikuza lol get em every time . Only a matter of time until default and eppo chime in. Speaking of which you say its only positive ozone opinions or nothing at all , starts an argument etc answer me this how is someone else doing it different to when eppo used to bash his snag into everyone about ozone. Guess it exceptable now hes got a dice. Which is an all round kite, you guys should look into them I hear they are great all round kites. That is what your after isnt it

tomme
VIC, 475 posts
14 Apr 2014 3:14PM
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INTHELOOP said..

ewan kite said..

cauncy said...
Puetz said...
Chris6791 said..
What's the D2 canopy material? Have they finally made the Edge more robust? I love the kite but I'm not keen on the ongoing need for repairs.


... D2 was invented by North


Sorry d2 was invented by the manufacturer of the material, north tried for a exclusivity deal on that material, but looks like they didn't get it


Manufacturers... Invented by North


no Ewan D2 is invented by Teijin but North had exclusive use for it for few years. Ozone using it as well now. Basically its a double ripstop material that is tougher and holds more tension. Canopy doesn't stretch as quickly..

BTW Naish uses Tejin as well, not sure about D2 tho ;)




www2.teijin-frontier.com/english/sozai/specifics/techno-force.html

NORTH /NAISH /F-ONE /SLING SHOT /BEST /OZONE /...,famed major brands are adopting
"TECHNO FORCE?/T9600", and it has a 90% market share in our estimate.

much strong! very techno force! such wow!

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
14 Apr 2014 2:49PM
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Kitepower Australia said..
Puetz said..



... Ozone - invented by North!


More likely, Puetz, invented and owned by North!!


... damn !!!!!! North made a dud then, too big, too heavy, and slow to turn, probably wish they hadn't now!!!! Oh well !!!!

14 Apr 2014 10:22PM
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Kitepower Australia said..
Puetz said..



... Ozone - invented by North!


More likely, Puetz, invented and owned by North!!


... damn !!!!!! North made a dud then, too big, too heavy, and slow to turn, probably wish they hadn't now!!!! Oh well !!!!


Haha! Just change too big to too small for me!

Plummet
4862 posts
14 Apr 2014 8:51PM
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hmmmm.... some responses have been deleted entirely...

It seems that some people are more equal that others!

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
14 Apr 2014 9:06PM
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The edge loops too slow and unhooks like a bucket

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
14 Apr 2014 9:47PM
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The edge is a grandpa kite. I'm ashamed I have one. The gentle floaty boosts will be lovely for my knees when I'm 70 years old.

Plummet
4862 posts
15 Apr 2014 7:41AM
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wishy said..

The edge is a grandpa kite. I'm ashamed I have one. The gentle floaty boosts will be lovely for my knees when I'm 70 years old.


Be loud and proud mate
At 42 my knee are already pocahontas.... Loveing that glide and the floaty touch downs. its like superman landing on a windowsill.



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