i currently ride a 12 dice in melbourne round the bay, just started unhooking but love going for those massive boosts on the dice.I'm after a bridled c kite such as the vegas, rpm or chaos. what kite is going to be more suitable?
i want to get more into unhooking and looping but still be able to boost huge.
I'm put off by norths ** bars as iv expienced with the 2014 trust bar(where do i start....bad quality lines, depower rope when depowered flaps around in the wind and wraps around my lines and bar!, the bar ends i can never get off to change the knots) so that kinda rules out the vegas, which is why I'm thinking the rpm, i had an octane and the quality of their lines are amazing, but the QR system isn't the best.
and i don't like the plastic depower rope on the chaos. lol
what are peoples opinions?
Neither the Best TS or the RPM are C-kites....
You are looking at the RPM Fuel or the Best GP for those brands... Also, have heard great things about the Naish Torch too... a few of my kite buddies fly them and they swear by them.
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Neither the Best TS or the RPM are C-kites....
You are looking at the RPM Fuel or the Best GP for those brands... Also, have heard great things about the Naish Torch too... a few of my kite buddies fly them and they swear by them.
He is after a bridled c kite tho, fuel, gp and torch are all hard core c kites, although the fuel now comes with a bridle. I ride razors and they boost to the moon and probably the best for freestyle. But they are hardcore!
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Neither the Best TS or the RPM are C-kites....
You are looking at the RPM Fuel or the Best GP for those brands... Also, have heard great things about the Naish Torch too... a few of my kite buddies fly them and they swear by them.
Best TS is a bridled C Kite .
I have 3 of them and they are excellent value and build quality.
And they boost great .
have a look on BESTKITEBOARDING.COM
The vegas doesn't have a bridle and the TS and RPM aren't C kites. so that limits your choices down to a Chaos.
I would personally forget about the C kite idea and go for something like the Cab FX, Slingshot RPM or stay with the North Dice.
Oh I thought the vegas was a bridled c. The dice is good but it's time for a change I want to try something different but still be able to boost huge like the dice but with good unhooking abilities with nice tite kiteloops.
does the rpm boost huge?
I really need to demo a few.
The vegas boosts huge yeah? I like the Vegas but really do not like the north bar and the quality of the lines.
The idea of a bridled c kite was for wider wind range and better relaunch abilities.
c kites have a different boost then other kites, its mote of a rip off the water, you go up fast and you drop like a rock (if you keep in the kite in the same spot). I personally get board boosting on any kites that arnt c kites, I don't like long lofty boosts. and unhooking you cant beat.
+1 for the C4, I moved from having a best TS and a crazyfly sculp to the C4 and you couldnt wipe the smile from my face, you have to ride them different and boosting is different but in all honesty way funner, haven't tried too many other bridled C kites for comparison, but once i rode a c4 i knew id found my next kite.
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i want to get more into unhooking and looping but still be able to boost huge.
what are peoples opinions?
If you want something different, don't rule out true C kites, for anything unhooked, looping and boosting huge, a C kite will be better. Don't be put of C's they are not as fierce as they used to be. There is a different technique to get the most out of them, but once mastered they are much more rewarding.
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i currently ride a 12 dice in melbourne round the bay, just started unhooking but love going for those massive boosts on the dice.I'm after a bridled c kite such as the vegas, rpm or chaos. what kite is going to be more suitable?
i want to get more into unhooking and looping but still be able to boost huge.
I'm put off by norths ** bars as iv expienced with the 2014 trust bar(where do i start....bad quality lines, depower rope when depowered flaps around in the wind and wraps around my lines and bar!, the bar ends i can never get off to change the knots) so that kinda rules out the vegas, which is why I'm thinking the rpm, i had an octane and the quality of their lines are amazing, but the QR system isn't the best.
and i don't like the plastic depower rope on the chaos. lol
what are peoples opinions?
sorry to tell you but no 12 mtr goes huge, it may feel it due to float, after a good few years on the ozone edges ive been riding the flexifoil hadlows, awesome up to 10mtrs but a load of crap at 12, which has put me back on the edges when winds decide, imho I don't think the is an amazing kite in your reqd size, 7 to 9 mtrs is another topic
I have 2013 c4s , there great for loops . Hooked or not .
There not that easy to relaunch in very light winds.
C-kites are better for everyone 
. Except maybe hooked-in wave-riders and racing aficionados.
You tried pulling one front line while pulling the opposite back line? Similar to relaunching with a 5th line and pretty easy in light wind as long as you are hooked in with a donkey dick
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You tried pulling one front line while pulling the opposite back line? Similar to relaunching with a 5th line and pretty easy in light wind as long as you are hooked in with a donkey dick
Only way most old kites would even launch, unless you were 50m school boy champion
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I swapped from rpm to chaos this season just for my 9m, i wanted more slack and a slower kite which is what i got. (Most of the time i found the chaos gave me too much slack which i struggled to get used to) But where i ride in the broadwater is usually fairly gusty and i only have good sessions on the chaos when the wind is perfect.
90% of my sessions are spent doing unhooked tricks which should suit the chaos more but i defenetly feel more comfortable on the rpm, ill be swapping back next season.
If you only want a little bit more unhooked capability then RPM will be good. Similar to Dice but better unhooked. You can still send it nicely, slightly less height but longer hangtime than a C kite. As glendog said great kite for allround conditions, good in gusts and good wind range which C kites will suck at. If you serious about freestyle then surely C will be better, mainly because of the slack and directness. But for most of us advancing into freestyle takes longer than the lifetime of a kite hence I am happy I moved even backwards from Vegas to RPM for the time being. It does it all, I even go on a surfboard on it, but clearly it is not the great drifter either. A compromise if you don't have the money to have 10 dedicated kites sitting around for each discipline.
One comment regarding the Vegas. I love the way it flies but if you are already annoyed by the bar and its quality, keep in mind that when trying tricks you may have a few 5th line wraps when the kite rolls over which is even more annoying. Does not happen to everyone but I am seeing this more on the Vegas than with other 5 lines kites.
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I swapped from rpm to chaos this season just for my 9m, i wanted more slack and a slower kite which is what i got. (Most of the time i found the chaos gave me too much slack
this never happened...
Get yourself a demo EVO.
Its jumps so big and works for unhooking.Has far more range then the VEGAS and has bridles.
Yes, its not a full C kite, but it would be the next best thing to your requirements in the north line up.
Buy a Vegas kite only and buy a bar and lines set up from another manufacturer?
I had the same problem with my 2013 north bar. It fell apart in under 12 months. Grip fell off the bar, Depower rope had red cord hanging out of it, Lacky bands at the ends snapped off. Piece of junk.
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Get yourself a demo EVO.
Its jumps so big and works for unhooking.Has far more range then the VEGAS and has bridles.
Yes, its not a full C kite, but it would be the next best thing to your requirements in the north line up.
watched the latest evos a few weeks ago, pretty impressed with how it looked, and how it performed, shame its a north
With all due respect Cauncy I've seen you kite and you could ride any size kite and not call any of your jumps huge, I ride a 16m often, and without doubt I go bigger on this Than my 12,9,7 it all comes down to technique,
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Buy a Vegas kite only and buy a bar and lines set up from another manufacturer?
I had the same problem with my 2013 north bar. It fell apart in under 12 months. Grip fell off the bar, Depower rope had red cord hanging out of it, Lacky bands at the ends snapped off. Piece of junk.
go demo a razor, a fuel, a torch and a vegas, or talk to guys on the beach with them and they can tell you what they love or dont.
what year Dice are you on?
Apparently there is quite a big difference between the 2015 and 2014.
Might be a good move for you to stick with what you already know and love.
You could even save some dollars by upgrading kites and keeping the bar going.
Otherwise no one knows your riding style, so really you have to demo!
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I swapped from rpm to chaos this season just for my 9m, i wanted more slack and a slower kite which is what i got. (Most of the time i found the chaos gave me too much slack
this never happened...
oh yeh sorry i lied about that bit just to stir the pot. can you please tell me what really happened?
Select to expand quotetomme said..glendog said..
I swapped from rpm to chaos this season just for my 9m, i wanted more slack and a slower kite which is what i got. (Most of the time i found the chaos gave me too much slack
this never happened...
hahahaha gold.
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streety said..
With all due respect Cauncy I've seen you kite and you could ride any size kite and not call any of your jumps huge, I ride a 16m often, and without doubt I go bigger on this Than my 12,9,7 it all comes down to technique,
sorry I didn't realise I had to to book in a jumping session on the off chance you were looking, ive seen plenty of people kite and wouldn't comment on how they perform, as long as they are having fun then all good by me, however if you go bigger on your 16 than on your 7 in given winds then you need to look at that technique you talk of, posted this before on the 1st edition reo in 37knts a piss weak jumping kite, with a bit more technique or a 7 edge I might of gone huge, make sure your available when the nwesters kick in, ill pay your fuel to bring you up with your vast knowledge and give me a lesson
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said...tomme said..glendog said..
I swapped from rpm to chaos this season just for my 9m, i wanted more slack and a slower kite which is what i got. (Most of the time i found the chaos gave me too much slack
this never happened...
hahahaha gold.
What i mean is for me i dont think i like much slack, i like to have a bit of tension to have something to get leverage. Maybe if i was doing 7's and 9's like rowdy and tommy i would like alot of slack but for my level i guess i just dont need it and it feels akward. 
