Anyone suffer from tennis elbow on the outside of elbow effecting grip?any tips and experiences would be much appreciated?cheers
Not sure if this applies to you, but I Had the same problem when I first started kiting, realized it was because I was keeping my hands on the extremity of the bar all the time. Pain went away as soon as I started keeping my hands centered on the bar all the time, which is how it should be...
Yeah I had it in my weaker left arm. Right no problem. Always used light on the bar wave kites but when started using heavier on the bar kites i started having the problem. So for me bar pressure was the issue. If you want to fly kites with bar pressure. Best bet, is in the off season (like now or when elbow is not aggravated), do some weights for your forearms. Use dumbells and do wrist curl ups (palm facing down, curling weight up) and strengthen the muscles on the top of your forearm. There's a few different exercises you can do to build up your forearms. You can do it watching telly. Google them. It will make the difference.
When aggravated. Dry needling was very effective to release the knots in the muscle which transfers the tension/stress onto the tendon in the elbow. I also bought a trigger point roller to do some self release massage after kiting (also icing straight after kiting) was good. The problem usually lies in the muscles on the top of the forearm over working, spasming and knotting up. The release of these knots is the key to short term relief. But really, rest til better, then strengthening your forearm/s to resolve long term.
Adjustments in technique - like how you grip the bar. keeping arms straighter, using shoulder movements to turn kite. using a strap on forearm (to distribute load) etc etc can also make a difference.
I suffer badly when SUPing. Ive attached a good thread seems to be common SUP problem.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Golfers-elbow-medial-epicondylitis-advice/
^golfers elbow is the opposite side of the elbow (inside) to tennis or kiters elbow which is on the outside. I'm not sure (I haven't heard of) kiters suffer this condition. Could be wrong (?). Two different conditions, causes and therapy. Did have a case of golfers from surfing - from a lot of paddling on surf trip once.. Lucky it was right at the end.
Yep had that
Had a mild case for a few years that came and went
Then got it good in decmeber 2012
Only just getting rid of it after 18 monthsA break for a month did nothing for me
it is a long term repetitive strain injury and chances are you are also doing other things in your life that contribute.
Towards the end the tennis elbow started to go away then I got a mild case of golfers elbow for a few months
Go see s physio learn about the injury from an expert.
Learn some dedicated exercises, stretching and massage, you can do these yourself and keep at them till it goes away.
I few vids online for tennis elbow exercise 
I saw a guy kiting with 1 hand standard grip and the other hand an underhand grip. Looked weird and I asked him about it, he told me he suffered tennis elbow and this stopped it. Might be strange but maybe worth a try.
The same guy had absolutely ZERO sense of humour either! I told him I had wankers cramp and he just looked knowingly at me without a smile!
I have bouts of it, find that when riding a with thicker bar some times it can aggravate more seems to be to do with the grip in my fingers, stretching out the knots helps but have found when i was on a switchblade i sometimes had trouble driving home because of the pain.
Hi Ste, sadly I think I could write a book on this problem but I won’t do that here. To keep it short; I have never had golf or tennis elbow until I started kite surfing and then I got both tennis and golf elbow in both arms.
Other than surgery I have probably tried most remedies and seen most professions to get on top of this annoying problem. So far they have probably all helped in varying degrees but nothing has fixed it. At the moment I have got the pain down to about 20% but I just can’t seem to get rid of it completely. After trying a heap of things and spending a lot of money I’ve decided to try PRP injections next week (rather than explaining it I’ll attach a link).
I’ve nearly come to the conclusion there is no 100% fix unless you want to stop all activity for a long as it takes to repair or go into support mode and wait till it goes by itself. I’ll tell you one thing I have learnt and that is I have heard as many remedies as I have seen differential professions- go figure.
I’m no doctor but like I said I’ve been down this road and sadly haven’t got to the end of it yet. Feel free to PM me if you want to ask me anything further. Happy to share.
http://www.qsportsmedicine.com.au/PRPbrisbaneplateletrichplasmainjections.html
BTW I agree with wdric’s 18 months statement...
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Anyone suffer from tennis elbow on the outside of elbow effecting grip?any tips and experiences would be much appreciated?cheers
The best solution for me ,was to get kites with low bar pressure and the other is to hold the bar with your palm up. This took two sessions to get used to it, and I now find it more comfortable on my problem elbow.
Oh by the way you use different muscles , tendons holding your bar Palm up.Kite bar that is
I see some students and beginners going out in light winds with a kite that's too small, they spend hours turning the kite up and down up and down to get power and end up damaging there arms. Light bar pressure helps also but i think the constant turning in light winds to get power can be a main cause.
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Anyone suffer from tennis elbow on the outside of elbow effecting grip?any tips and experiences would be much appreciated?cheers
my mum made me wear boxing gloves to bed, later in life its worked wonders and lets me kite big sessions with no effect
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Anyone suffer from tennis elbow on the outside of elbow effecting grip?any tips and experiences would be much appreciated?cheers
my mum made me wear boxing gloves to bed, later in life its worked wonders and lets me kite big sessions with no effect
So you don't have parrot droppings problem then
Mate,
Suffer from this in both elbows, did something stupid in December and only recently decided to see a physio about it after trying to do self-rehab.
See a decent physio... I'm hoping mine is sorted before the sea breezes kick in.
Try Craig Soley (PhysioFit) he's been great so far, much improvement in 2 weeks. www.physiofit-wa.com/
Hi
You can try bracing or taping up the thickest part of your forearm tightly. Use sports strapping tape but don't do it too wide. This takes the pressure off the elbow. I find it helps but is not a cure.
A good physio should sort this fairly well. I use Christian Eyre at Body Smart on St Georges Terrace.
Doing wrist curls with your arm on a flat surface, lifting and lowering a 5kg dumbell worked for me. It straightens out all the tangled up fibres in the tendon. Your hand should be hangnig down, not palm up. Also dry needling the lumps on your tendon expedites recovery. good luck!
I've noticed over the years that what most people refer to as tennis elbow seems to sometimes develop as people get older. I get a slight twinge from time to time but no major problem. I have a couple of mates who both developed it badly, and who were both brickies. This led me to the conclusion that the constant gripping of bricks all day long led to damage in the tendon anchoring the forearm muscle to the elbow. Much like shin splints I think it boils down to overloading of the muscle/muscle attachment. It seems the best way to avoid this is to either stop the action altogether , or at least modify your technique.
Im only guessing but it could be that your gripping the bar to tightly and consciously trying to adjust this may help. Lighter bar pressure seems like it may help but I think the real problem is the amount of pressure you are applying to your grip, rather than the pressure/force required to sheet in/out.
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A good physio should sort this fairly well. I use Christian Eyre at Body Smart on St Georges Terrace.
Doing wrist curls with your arm on a flat surface, lifting and lowering a 5kg dumbell worked for me. It straightens out all the tangled up fibres in the tendon. Your hand should be hangnig down, not palm up. Also dry needling the lumps on your tendon expedites recovery. good luck!
Do you mean moving your hand up at the wrist joint or your whole arm?And is dry needling acupuncture ? I suffer from tennis elbow also.What helped me the most was giving up pole dancing / windsurfing
Thanks for all the replies.i think this has come on from test and tagging, plugging and unplugging things all day rather than kiting, don't bother in winter, will work with all the advice and see how I go,just want to get it sorted before the seabreezes start again.
Cheers all.
steve try letting your kite pull from the harness , some people tend to not to let the kite pull from the harness using and putting unnecessary strain on their arms, sometimes a bad fitting harness riding up puts more pressure on the arms,
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A good physio should sort this fairly well. I use Christian Eyre at Body Smart on St Georges Terrace.
Doing wrist curls with your arm on a flat surface, lifting and lowering a 5kg dumbell worked for me. It straightens out all the tangled up fibres in the tendon. Your hand should be hangnig down, not palm up. Also dry needling the lumps on your tendon expedites recovery. good luck!
Do you mean moving your hand up at the wrist joint or your whole arm?And is dry needling acupuncture ? I suffer from tennis elbow also.What helped me the most was giving up pole dancing / windsurfing
Lift from the wrist and lower really slowly. It's the lowering under stress that straightens out the tangles. Dry needling is needles straight into the distressed tissue. Acupuncture is more complex and I don't really understand it to be honest!
I had golfers elbow (inside rather than outside of the elbow - but similar symptoms). 2- 3 months of daily wrist stretching and I was back to full fitness without any discomfort at all. After 2-3 weeks I could participate in sports again with only mild discomfort. Haven't had any relapse injuries since either (was about 4 years ago).
A good (probably any) physio should be able to show you the exercises to perform.
My Doc prescribed Mobic, and the pain went in 24hrs. Still waiting to kite on the elbow, but lifting and general movement has really increased. After 4 months, it was like a wonder drug. Not that I'm advocating drugs, but...........
^Mobic is simply a trade name for Meloxicam - a widely used anti-infammatory or NSAID. Its no wonder drug, but I do depend on it sometimes to keep me on the water through an injury
I have a pack of Moxicam (same sh1te) on hand for when loops go bad etc etc
Gotta say.. speak to any good physio and ultimately they'll recommend strengthening of the forearm muscles (in particular the extensors) to fix this issue long term.
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My Doc prescribed Mobic, and the pain went in 24hrs. Still waiting to kite on the elbow, but lifting and general movement has really increased. After 4 months, it was like a wonder drug. Not that I'm advocating drugs, but...........
Oh, come on.....
weebitbreezy
mate, i am just finishing up 6 months of rehab on shoulders and forearms, would be interested to know your exercises.
I tried the following.
- Rest
- Dry Needling and stretching
- Gym work (alot of back strengthening, row etc and stretching of the chest)
I had cortisone injections last week in the Bursa (shoulder) and also on the forearm tendon.
Felling amazing however it is masking the issue i think!
Can't wait to get on the water
Cheers
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My Doc prescribed Mobic, and the pain went in 24hrs. Still waiting to kite on the elbow, but lifting and general movement has really increased. After 4 months, it was like a wonder drug. Not that I'm advocating drugs, but...........
Drugs are bad.......mmmmmkay
Lol
Try researching Orthocell, a WA based company who are at the leading edge of ATI tenocyte treatment. There is a solid background of clinical studys and great science behind it. Ive heard PRP is atracting a bit of attention in the recent litrature.
