I've cut and pasted this across from the other sailboarding forum. I never would have raised it but I dont like people spreading bull****.
ggh said..
Witnessed a head on at Shearwater a couple of weeks ago . A combination of indecision lead to a very dangerous stack . Leaving the WS in the water daized and confused and I got taken out by the dropped kite lines . WE never got to speak or find out what happened to the KS as he just pised off . ( not saying he was inconsiderate good chance he was seeing stars as well ).
It really brought home the risk and what a combined collision speed of approx 50 knots looks like . I rememeber being a little shocked and thinking "fck you could kill someone " . So sad it happened to some poor buger in france . JUst retired probably looking fwd to years of WS everyday of the week . Lets not turn this into some bull**** KS v WS the quicker we start referring to each other as fellow board sailors and start communicating a little better that at least will be a step in the right direction to the right Answer .
Main said...
Hey ggh
You should get your facts right before you spin such bull****!
I was the kite surfer run down by the sailboarder at shearwater. I was on a starboard tack out from the beach when I realized the guy coming at me ( with 2 others sailboarders beside & downwind of him) was not going to give way I turned downwind only for him to do the same and run over the top of me.
And no I didn't piss off you f#ckwit. I copped the full brunt of his board in my thigh, spent next 5 minutes trying to compose myself, 10 minutes body dragging around trying to find my board ( which I eventually found on the beach with a 2' gash in it) and then hobbled to my car to get 2 weeks of physio.
And no you didn't speak to me at the time, you didn't bother to ask if I was ok and you didnt bother to help me. In fact you are completely full of **** because if you cared to check you would have seen me lying on my back in the water for quite some time letting the shock wash off and trying to check if the bone was sticking out of my leg somewhere.
You also didn't mention that the first thing I did was check on the windsurfer and ask if he was ok before I even checked on myself. I know you didn't even bother because I was lying right behind you watching you.
So get off your soapbox, spreading bull**** and making out like youre some sort of ****ing holier than thou!!
Derek Nicholson
Another one that isn't getting a bite on his original post in another thread that now feels the need to start a new thread. Why do people do that?
No idea why other people do it but if you read the first line again really slowly you might work out why I did it !!!
I hope you appreciate the irony of "Spreading BS " while in fact spreading BS .
I will repeat what i have said previously
( not saying he was inconsiderate good chance he was seeing stars as well ). What does that mean ? And where in my comment have i laid blame .
How about have another read and this time read all the words and understand the intent without inventing a perception of guilt .
The underlying msg I got from ggh was one of unity and tolerance....
The impression I got from main was he may be from Logan...or Ipswich...
Quote : "WE never got to speak or find out what happened to the KS as he just pised off "
You made this statement about me in a forum topic about kitesurfer hit and runs... I also read and didn't appreciate other public statements you have made about the incident.
Your comment and the context are plain and simply wrong irrespective of what (caveats) you put on your statement.
Suggest you pm me and we take this offline if you would like to continue the discussion but I wanted to set the record straight.
Most people don't even know... or pretend not too know the difference between
Port and Starboard and water rights.
The lessons learned years ago are not installed in new kiters..Which is why
kiting is subsequently banned at various locations around the country.
Nearly every kiter I've come across is taught too walk around with your kite
as high above thier head as they can......
E.G. When approaching most kitiers they fight too be upwind of you,regardless
of their right's but because of their line they need too hold.Then they put their
kite as high as they can! With the amount of people at the same locations,you need
too look out for other's regardless of what brand kite board windsurfer they have.
It's for all too use,enjoy and share! So try looking out each other and
thank your lucky stars that you can go kiting or windsurfing.
Select to expand quoteMain said..
Quote : "WE never got to speak or find out what happened to the KS as he just pised off "
You made this statement about me in a forum topic about kitesurfer hit and runs... I also read and didn't appreciate other public statements you have made about the incident.
Your comment and the context are plain and simply wrong irrespective of what (caveats) you put on your statement.
Suggest you pm me and we take this offline if you would like to continue the discussion but I wanted to set the record straight.
You would be a good Editor for the daily telegraph . You cannot cherry pick sentences without reading the whole pargraph. You and you alone have choosen to to take the first sentence without the context of the second . I dont know how to make it any clearer.
The irony of asking that we start communicating a little better is lost here isnt it .
^^ Whether he "cherry picked sentences" or not is irrelevant, the way you said that one line and then later tied the story into the situation that happened in France somehow says it all... Yes you are spreading bull****, whether you think you are or not. Not bringing up the issue at all would have caused far less tension between Poleys Vs Teabaggers and is what you probably should have done...
Geeeet out of here!
Select to expand quoteBrisbud said..
The lessons learned years ago are not installed in new kiters..Which is why
kiting is subsequently banned at various locations around the country.
Nearly every kiter I've come across is taught too walk around with your kite
as high above thier head as they can......
this is BS too. sorry, don't usually post up in these discussions but,
#1
pretty sure the council doesn't care if people are struggling with give way rules...
kiting is being banned because it involves a powered piece of material 30m away from you attached with strings.
if something goes wrong with pole-boarding you get washed into the beach; if something goes wrong kiting you get lofted over the shore through power lines and suburbia...
#2
kite at lunch can be the most unpredictable spot in gusty/light winds.
i wouldnt be anywhere near a kite at lunch in those conditions. 
just saying. 
Sorry ggh but reading the original thread, while you gave some balance and said you wanted peace between the 2 camps, you did leave the impression that the kiter took off. In a thread about a kiter who apparently ran from a collision before apparently handing himself in later. So to some degree you were drawing a comparison to Main's actions which wasn't fair considering his side of the story.
Main: i'd probably be angry too, particularly with chris's unhelpful comments stirring things up. But no point being too aggressive on here.
My 2c: There's always gonna be a problem because for the most part windsufferers consider themselves small boats, and follow (some) nautical conventions. Teabaggerers consider themselves, mostly (racers excepted), a totally new sport unlike any other, with a set of unique right of way rules that generally work between kiters. So there's always gonna be friction where the 2 mix, particularly with some adrenaline flowing.
there is good way of practice and respect on the water as well as international rules. You can learn them if you dont know them.
They apply to freeriding, comps and anybody on the water.
If things happen the everybody shld deal with consequences right away
Hang about this kiter says he was on starboard tack heading out from the beach, doesn't sound to me like someone who has no clue about sailing rules.
Which unhelpful comment KBDave? ggh gave a brief account of what he saw, sure it could have been worded a little better but Main's response was totally out of proportion. He could have got his point across without the language and tone in his post. Nor do I see a need to start a new thread in kite general about it, more than enough kiters surf the wind surfing/surfing threads to wade in an offer an opinion if they want to.
On the off chance you are also referring to the 'dog act' comment, that was posted in reference to the threads original subject and not to ggh's post. Apologies if main thought it was indirectly aimed at him. If the guy in France or wherever did flee as reported then that was what it was, a dog act. I also know that first accounts are often wrong, in this instance almost guaranteed to be wrong to some degree due to poor translation so I didn't assume he did flee hence my little disclaimer about fleeing 'as it is reported'.
Select to expand quoteWeta said..
Hang about this kiter says he was on starboard tack heading out from the beach, doesn't sound to me like someone who has no clue about sailing rules.
rule is whoever comes riding off the beach has ride of way from people coming in towards the beach
Select to expand quotekiteboy dave said..
Sorry ggh but reading the original thread, while you gave some balance and said you wanted peace between the 2 camps, you did leave the impression that the kiter took off. In a thread about a kiter who apparently ran from a collision before apparently handing himself in later. So to some degree you were drawing a comparison to Main's actions which wasn't fair considering his side of the story.
Main: i'd probably be angry too, particularly with chris's unhelpful comments stirring things up. But no point being too aggressive on here.
My 2c: There's always gonna be a problem because for the most part windsufferers consider themselves small boats, and follow (some) nautical conventions. Teabaggerers consider themselves, mostly (racers excepted), a totally new sport unlike any other, with a set of unique right of way rules that generally work between kiters. So there's always gonna be friction where the 2 mix, particularly with some adrenaline flowing.
Fair point was deffinalty a poor choice of words but Im not writting an essay . The only comparision i intended to draw was that a collision also occurred in our own back yard only weeks ago . The collision that i observed had the potential to kill someone , it left the WS concused and the KS we dont know about ( we do now ) . What i want people to take out of the story is that it can happen and have horrible consiquences , remember that when you are next kiting / windsurfing and how you intend to communicate with those around you . Thats the learning outcome .
You may wish to check out the QLD marine laws and how a Kite is classified your unique right of way rules may exist but only amongst yourselves .
Just to put this into perspective. Accidents happen and i accept this. In hindsight the place was just too crowded on the day as it was a kite demo day. There was more than one close call I saw on the day (between kiters) and thought to myself at the time this is my last demo....
I don't blame the other sailor as he had two other guys travelling at speed down wind and just behind him (on the same tack). If those two guys weren't there I would have simply abandoned my line and beared off down wind. It was a particular set of circumstances that was unusual and it takes this create an accident. We were all travelling at speed and it was quite a distance from the beach - i was just using this as a reference point to say it was blowing a SE'ster.
The group of sailboarders and I closed on each other very fast so by the time i realised i wasn't going to get clear water upwind of him I tried to turn downwind to thread between windsurfer 1 and windsurfer 2. Unfortunately just as I turned downwind so did he and we collided. Windsurfer 1 and i were looking at each other as we closed on each other - we signalled each other but either way it wasn't clear what each of us meant and once we got to this stage it was too late....
I didnt blame the other guy and still don't. Im not looking to whip up support as Chris cynically suggested. I mentioned the accident to a few people and was pretty annoyed to see it appear on Seabreeze in a context that was untrue and unfair. I was even more annoyed to see it relayed in a forum about a dog act by a KS in France. ggh - whether you were intentionally drawing a direct comparison or not is irrelevant because YOU DID!! You can back-peddle, twist sentences and call for peace and harmony all you like but what you wrote was slander - black and white!
I posted it across to this forum as the GC is a small place and I didn't want an untrue rumour drifting from windsurfers to kiteboarders that I had possibly caused a crash and then "pissed off" leaving a dazed and injured sailboarder out in the middle of the Broadwater. Sorry this action has upset you so much Chris but I dont care about your sense of order and forum protocols I simply want to clear my reputation and character amongst those locals who I had mentioned the incident to.
As I said I don't partially care about whipping up support, I have no interest in KS vs SB, but I do care about my reputation and I wont tolerate people slandering me whether direct or implied.
Yes my language was pretty appalling and tone was aggressive but put yourself in my shoes and you find you tend to take the gloves off... Most other commercial situations and you'd be getting a letter from Steve Russell.
And no benny I dont come from or reside in Logan or Ipswich - LOL......
Obviously the dips that red thumbed me also have NO clue about sailing rules or right of way when leaving the beach 
I've been in this situation, and right of way rules can be confusing at the best of times, so in the same situation I didn't attempt to thread the needle, I just parked the kite at 12 layed back in the water and waited for the others to pass. whilst kites passing kites is pretty easy coz u can see from the position of their kite whether they intend to pass upwind or downwind, it gets a lot more confusing with anybody else. we (kiters) already give way to waveriders and the like. and we're pretty agile, and we are the new sport, may as well just make it the standard that the kiter gives way. at least that way this'll never happen again. and yes the idea of giving way to every polerider does really suck, but safety first. just a thought
Select to expand quoteWeta said..
Obviously the dips that red thumbed me also have NO clue about sailing rules or right of way when leaving the beach
Weta - I was on a starboard tack heading away from the beach, SE Easter blowing, right arm forward. Sailboarder was on a Port tack heading away from Straddie, left arm forward.
If I was literally "leaving the beach" I would obviously have waited for the guys to turn around, stop, get out of the way, whatever..!? not simply taken off into them. If they were "approaching the beach" they wouldn't have been travelling at speed. We were some distance from the beach.
Suddenly stopping and sitting the kite at 12 wasn't really an option given the speed we were all going and I probably would rather have taken my chances on the water rather than in the water. I was also expecting the oncoming WS to give way and bare off downwind. Looking back this would have been difficult for him given two other windsurfers travelling downwind of him so he was in fact stuck.
Strictly speaking did I have it wrong then ??? Apart from the "avoid collisions at all costs"
WETA Main was on Starboarb and had right of way and was well off the beach . What also should be added was how quickly it happened and agree that Main would not have had a hope in hell of bringing the kite to 12. IT was an genuine accident with no malice or neglegence just bad for the two involved.
Dont look for blame in this single event use it to illustrate the risk and hopefully better understand what can go wrong.
Finnaly Main i sincerly appollagise for the poor choice of words which drew conclusions that portade you as a vilian or "dog act ". It was not intended and had the polar opposite of what i was trying to relay . I didnt see it in that light at the time and had it not been greated with such vitriol I wouldnt have dug my heals in . Now I see your perspective and for that I feel horrible I will take this conversation as a lesson in social media I will take more care when posting in the future.
I dont know who Steve Russel is but he already scares me . 
thanks 4 that kit33r.
my main confusion lies in being on the west coast where we enter the water on a port tack.
at which point do we stop being a kiter entering the water who has right of way and become someone on a port tack who should give way
Yeah guys i was referring to the fact the kiter had ROW as he was os starboard as some of the earlier posts had made it sound like he/all kiters have no clue.
Having said that and not commenting specifically on this incident as i wasn't there. I tend to hold my line as long as pratical and if it appears the other water user isn't going to give right of way then i bear away, normally accompanied with colourful language & gesturing. But really if all else fails then commonsense should prevail, unfortunately in short supply with some nogins.
Go for it red thumb bandits 
we have rights of way in paragliding. but there completely overruled when it becomes apparent an accident may occur then it both pilots job to avoid the accident at ALL costs. no matter what it takes.
this is how i kite. hahaha stuff trusting if you mugs know yours rules
Select to expand quotewaveslave said...
Dear Moderater,if i ever trash talk safety leashes again,
Please nuke my above post. ^^^
lol.
