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Shhh..... windsurf to kite converts?

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Created by K Dog > 9 months ago, 28 Nov 2014
K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
28 Nov 2014 10:54AM
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I can't pretend not to be jealous of the convenience of kiting, the ability to store gear and the fact you don't need a P3do van to transport your gear.... windsurfing means you need to consider what house / unit you rent, car or van you buy, and the need for storage....

Want to know how many windsurf to kite converts there are out there?

As a previous windsurfer, do you get the same buzz?

Launch from enough places to mix it up?

Do any inland kiting?

Keep your high wind windsurf kit to get out for a blast still?

After spending an afternoon checking out some kiting at St Kilda I was a little put off, the shear numbers of you guys, and the fact everyone just stayed in a small area..... how long does it take to get confident enough to get right out in the bay and away from the crowds?

Also noticed people who probably aren't water people based on their confidence in the water, who aren't likely to be able to swim more than 400m.... by the look of it, nothing wrong with that, but perhaps explains the closeness of the people kiting to the shore.....

Also saw a dude being carried up the beach with a busted ankle..... how often does that happen? lol

No doubt the proof is in the pudding and I'll have to give it a crack soon enough..........

There are a lot of plus in the convenience level, but launching etc has me doubting usability.... windsurfing I can drop it in anywhere, but kiting seems to have councils regulating beaches and limiting their areas.... perhaps the sport will tapper out......

Discuss - I am interested in windsurfing converts thoughts and experiences.

Thanks for your time.

PS - don't tell me mates.

daddycool
WA, 337 posts
28 Nov 2014 8:19AM
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Windsurfed since 1980 - took up kiting 2 yrs ago - traded in nearly all windsurfing kit for kites and boards. As much as I loved windsurfing , kitesurfing has become my passion and my form of relaxation. Get a good thorough instruction, invest in new or nearly new kite and once you are confident, try lots of different spots. Go for it!

Ellobuddha
NSW, 625 posts
28 Nov 2014 11:49AM
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Hang onto your gear for flat water. Windsurfing fast is a lot more fun that kiting in my opinion.

Kiting in the waves is excellent on a surfboard.

kiting is heaps easier than windsurfing, thats why so many more people do it.

Andy T
WA, 325 posts
28 Nov 2014 10:38AM
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Windsurfer since 80's...kite since 2012 will never go back
sold all windsurfing gear 2013

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
28 Nov 2014 12:40PM
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I have just sold all my windsurfing gear to concentrate on kiting. I windsurfed for 30 years, and competed in wavesailing events all over the place.

For me it's the new challenge that has got me keen, similar but different. I still teach windsurfing, but got rid of all other gear. If I kept the gear I may be tempted to opt to be out on that stuff from time to time which would slow my kiting progress, so I removed temptation.

I don't buy into the idea that it is easier. Pure begginer windsurfers will sail across a body of water and back in an hour or two, this same feat may take a few weeks of practice on a kite. However the learning curve does seem to be different, once you get going on the kite progress is certainly faster.

I won't lie, the convenience is awesome. We recently went away camping and with all the other stuff in the car I could still easily take a board and a couple of kites. Windsurfing would have had most of the gear strapped to the roof. I do like to get away from the crowds a little when possible, so learning self launch and land opened up the sport so much more for me. Having the option of going out alomost anywhere along many km's of beach is pretty good too.

I spent one or two sessions on flat water and then went straight into the ocean. I may have slowed my progress a little by doing this, but am positive it will be a better option in the long run for me as that is where I want to be. It means waves, but also clean water and sand, more space and sometimes better wind.

westozwind
WA, 1415 posts
28 Nov 2014 11:44AM
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Ellobuddha said..
Hang onto your gear for flat water. Windsurfing fast is a lot more fun that kiting in my opinion.

Kiting in the waves is excellent on a surfboard.

kiting is heaps easier than windsurfing, thats why so many more people do it.


I'd flip that statement around. Windsurfing on flat water became boring to me, the ability to boost on flat water is great, and kites now hold the speed record. Admittedly, once the wind gets up and the water state choppy, windsurfers are genrally faster, but kiting is still more fun.

In the surf, I still prefer to windsurf. the ability to oversheet the sail, and just ride the board on the wave is a feeling I've yet to replicate on a kite, you still spend too much time "surfing the kite", not the wave in my opinion.

Either way, it takes up way less space. They are very different activities and I still like to do both.

As for accidents, they occur in both sports, but kiting has had a few more fatalities. GET LESSONS and make sure you are always aware of your sorroundings/conditions and you should be fine.
Give it a go, there's nothing to loose!

DanWilson
VIC, 127 posts
28 Nov 2014 2:55PM
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Don't judge kitesurfing by what you see at St kilda! That place is out of control when it's busy.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1896 posts
28 Nov 2014 12:09PM
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Started windsurfing in 81' when it was weird and WTF is that thing wooden boom - flash alloy ends

Learnt to kite very quickly as you already know how to read the wind and have board skills - youll be one up on the Noobs, but try to keep your common sense...

Though you will learn quickly - the kite "Will have control over you" for at least a season until and youll still be undecided - untill you learn complete control of the kite (a big claim ) Then youll never look back and do what i did..

Swapped 3 windsurf boards - race, slalom and wave, 8 sails race and wave, 2 carbon masts booms fin sets bla bla bla for 1 twin tip board and a 9m kite that could fit in my small sports convertible car boot !!!!!! gotta love that small packdown and gear out of sight from crims..

Did we mention Huuuuuuuggggggggeeeee aerials

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
28 Nov 2014 4:25PM
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If you want to sum up windsurfing in one word... What would it be??????

I could think of a few to be honest however I will refrain

jeff2
WA, 221 posts
28 Nov 2014 4:25PM
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I windsurfed from early 80's until 2000.

I started kiting because my knees could no longer handle the constant abuse and they ached after every session.

once the kites got better , around 2005 ,I found I could then stay out longer and no longer get aching knees .

the waves are so much easier as you don't have to try and look through a sail to see where you are going.

with a decent quiver of kites 6,7,8,9,&10 I can kite all winds that I would have windsurfed in, plus get out before the windsurfers at as little as 12 knots.

and now my 14 year old son is out there with me , sharing the same waves.

life really doesn't get any better when you are kiting.

JohnnyMack
64 posts
28 Nov 2014 5:17PM
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Haha looks like you're into a bit of fishing too RPM. Well since you asked my word would be "redundant"

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
28 Nov 2014 5:34PM
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Weirdos would be a good word

offshore
NSW, 40 posts
28 Nov 2014 8:50PM
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30 years sailboarding and 20 in the surf.

1)Converted to kiting because the sailboard looses its power when it gets in the break while a kite can still power up in the impact zone.

2)Kiting is better in onshore conditions, sailboarding is at its best in side shore conditions but when it swings more on shore it is difficult to point the board into the wind when there is any swell. Much more time in the surf on a kite.

3)I want to travel and the sailboard equipment is bulky and takes up so much room while kite equipment is very compact and I can keep it in the back of the car.

Don't regret the sailboarding experience but kiting is the new frontier.

general_dude
WA, 150 posts
28 Nov 2014 7:03PM
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Do It
Do It
Do It

Dunn It

diginoz
WA, 317 posts
28 Nov 2014 7:36PM
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Kite boarder only reply.
If you can swim and go upwind u can go out as far as u like to beet the crowds, some like the security off the quick beach access/safety, as long as your CONFIDENT ENOUGH.
Book some lessons & let us know how you get on.

ENJOY

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
28 Nov 2014 7:57PM
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Look windsurfing is a fantastic sport, did it for nearly 30 years, but kiting is just better. My last 2.5 years kiting have totally reinvigorated my passion for ocean sports.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
28 Nov 2014 8:34PM
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RPM said..
If you want to sum up windsurfing in one word... What would it be??????




CANCELLED. ^^^

lol.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
28 Nov 2014 8:34PM
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K Dog said...
I can't pretend not to be jealous of the convenience of kiting, the ability to store gear and the fact you don't need a P3do van to transport your gear.... windsurfing means you need to consider what house / unit you rent, car or van you buy, and the need for storage....

Want to know how many windsurf to kite converts there are out there?

As a previous windsurfer, do you get the same buzz?

Launch from enough places to mix it up?

Do any inland kiting?

Keep your high wind windsurf kit to get out for a blast still?

After spending an afternoon checking out some kiting at St Kilda I was a little put off, the shear numbers of you guys, and the fact everyone just stayed in a small area..... how long does it take to get confident enough to get right out in the bay and away from the crowds?

Also noticed people who probably aren't water people based on their confidence in the water, who aren't likely to be able to swim more than 400m.... by the look of it, nothing wrong with that, but perhaps explains the closeness of the people kiting to the shore.....

Also saw a dude being carried up the beach with a busted ankle..... how often does that happen? lol

No doubt the proof is in the pudding and I'll have to give it a crack soon enough..........

There are a lot of plus in the convenience level, but launching etc has me doubting usability.... windsurfing I can drop it in anywhere, but kiting seems to have councils regulating beaches and limiting their areas.... perhaps the sport will tapper out......

Discuss - I am interested in windsurfing converts thoughts and experiences.

Thanks for your time.

PS - don't tell me mates.


All you have to do now is tell your boyfriend your not gay anymore

Rattlehead
QLD, 555 posts
28 Nov 2014 11:39PM
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Windsurfed for 22years , took up kiteboarding 8 years ago after much taunting from mates who crossed over and never looked back, in 8years have not once been temped to dig the gear out of the shed, would sell it but it ain't worth jack shyt.

Brien
NSW, 172 posts
29 Nov 2014 1:47AM
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I have always windsurfed since I was a kid in primary school in the 80's. I took up kiting in 2001 but still kept sailing but only when the waves were good. Then about 3 years ago I just hit a wall with kiting and started to get bored with it and went back to wavesailing. I still kite on a surfboard when it's on-shore or ride a twin twip occasionally when there is no surf and got nothing better to do.

I'd say give kiting a go, it's a great sport but don't get rid of your sailing gear and don't lose your sailing fitness. There is no reason you can't do both. The test of time has shown that nearly all good sailboarders that went to kiting have gotten bored and gone back to sailing to some degree. Don't sell your sailboards...... they are probably not worth much anyway and if you are a true sailboarder now you will always miss the free and effortless power you can only get on a sailboard and the abilty to smack a lip and not get pulled sideways or launch a genuine aerial. Both sports are great and you are lucky to be able to do either and blessed if you can do both.

Bongowa
7 posts
28 Nov 2014 11:48PM
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For me , both disciplines have ups and downs . The outright speed and control on a full carbon slalom rig is something kiting can't compete with . Those that haven't windsurfed won't understand ...

However , the user friendly freedom that a kite offers is hard to beat . The seemingly out of control outlook that a busy section of kite filled water gives a "non kiter" was an initial put off for me , when , as a dedicated sailor I had thoughts of crossing over to the dark side also !

But once you start kiting and go through the walk of shame , jeez how do they do that stage , the seeming chaos of kite v kite in close proximity is quickly overcome .

But as with any activity involving humans , the small minority of morons can quickly make a good session go bad in kiting , whereas with sailing ,the compact nature of your gear means that although similar amounts of morons sail , their affect on everyone around them is not as bad and I have always found that the morons are quickly told in windsurfing and generally pulls peoples heads in but with kiting being a relatively "new" sport , there seems to be a fresh run of fools at my local spot weekly ...

Both sports are awesome , there will always be haters amongst both sides , but my take is any time spent on the water , regardless of dicipline , is time well spent . Give kiting a go mate , life is too short to sit on the beach waiting for wind AGAIN while kiters have been out for hours ripping it up ! Secondhand kite gear is cheap if it turns out to be not for you , but having the option to kite or sail is pretty good on my book !

Good luck with it if you decide to give it a go , your mates will only be jealous when they are talking $&@? on the beach while you are maximising your time on the water !

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
29 Nov 2014 4:15PM
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Cheers, thanks all for the responses.

Stitches
11 posts
29 Nov 2014 7:08PM
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I converted 6 years ago - much to my windsurfing mates chagrin - but I have never had more fun in the water - full stop - kiting always puts a smile on my face - I get out sometimes 3-4 times per week (I work full time) - but the wind range for kiting is much more user friendly for conditions here in the SE of Qld - most of the 'supporting arguments' presented are completely valid - in fact I'd love to know how many kiters convert to windsurfing?

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
29 Nov 2014 11:44PM
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Stitches said..
in fact I'd love to know how many kiters convert to windsurfing?


Anyone?

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
30 Nov 2014 1:54AM
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^^^If there was anyone, they wouldn't admit it on a public forum, it would be like announcing to the world that you just started rollerblading,,,how embarrassing..lol

NR
WA, 517 posts
1 Dec 2014 9:25AM
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I windsurfed since 94. Got in to kiting in 2001 and then was mainly kiting, but still wave sailing the good days. I went on kite surf only trips and was fully into it for a while. After about 5 years I started enjoying windsurfing the flat water again as I hadn't done much of that and so I virtually stopped kiting. Now I might kite a couple of times a year on borrowed gear. There is just so much that I still want to learn windsurfing that I just haven't got time to kite as well. I do like kiting, and its a great sport, but for me, I don't like it as much as windsurfing.

There are so many moves to learn. All so technically difficult and some out right ballsey. I found it easier on the body than kiting. Windsurf gear has got so much better as well in recent years that the light wind gap on which kiting was once so much better is closing. Especially if you open your windsurf eyes to freestyle and just cruising around. There is so much that you can learn on those lighter non wave sailing days if you want to.

Best bet, do both , keep your options open and just do more of which ever one you prefer on the day.

Chris 249
NSW, 3515 posts
3 Dec 2014 8:28AM
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One of the reasons I've never got into kiting is people like Johnnymack, RPM, Lotofwind and Waveslave. There's no way I'd want to end up at the same events or places as those aggro, arrogant haters.

I'd still like to give it a go and I understand that most kiters don't worship themselves in the way that LoW, WS and their ilk do, but the existence of the arrogant haters is a real turn off for people who want to get into a friendly sport.

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
3 Dec 2014 9:02AM
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Chris 249 said..
One of the reasons I've never got into kiting is people like Johnymac, RPM, Lotofwind and Waveslave. There's no way I'd want to end up at the same events or places as those aggro, arrogant haters.


There is a lot of lakes and coast line where you can windsurf or kite alone. I love seeing either discipline bouncing around in the surf. Just great to watch.


FlickySpinny
WA, 657 posts
3 Dec 2014 7:37AM
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Chris 249 said..
One of the reasons I've never got into kiting is people like Johnnymack, RPM, Lotofwind and Waveslave. There's no way I'd want to end up at the same events or places as those aggro, arrogant haters.


I hear that. However I bit the bullet a few weeks ago. My motivation was simply to get water time - to have the option of being up and going in 15 knots instead of sat on the beach watching.

The thing I've been most surprised about is that the kiters I've met at the beach (mainly during the working week, so not weekend warriors) have been great people and nothing like the characters you mention.... which makes me wonder if those guys even kite.... :D

WeirdEd
VIC, 268 posts
3 Dec 2014 11:00AM
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Moved from Germany to Melbourne and wanted to buy windsurf gear...was shocked by the prices and having moved into an apartment with zero storage windsurfing didn't work out for me.

Saw kiters in St. Kilda and noticed how much fun they were having and how compact the gear was...went for lessons (very unprofessional by the way), bought gear and what can I say...

IT'S THE BEST SPORT EVER. I take my stuff on vacation and on business trips around the world...try that with windsurfing gear. I store my gear in the car and can go out spontaneously even during the lunch break.

I think it's easier to learn than windsurfing but significantly more dangerous. You need to be proficient enough to handle unexpected situations and need to train safety procedures. Windsurfing: You drop the rig and sit on the board. Kitesurfing: one wrong move and you get ragdolled and there is nothing you can do about it.

Re St. Kilda: I kite here 90% of the time out of convenience (close to the CBD). I launch and head out into the bay. I hate the kiddy pool (stinky and crowded) and the area inside the breakwater (out of control learners). There are much, much better spots but they all require lots of driving and/or paying for parking.

Go for it, you won't regret it.

JohnnyMack
64 posts
3 Dec 2014 8:35AM
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Chris 249 said...
One of the reasons I've never got into kiting is people like Johnnymack, RPM, Lotofwind and Waveslave. There's no way I'd want to end up at the same events or places as those aggro, arrogant haters.

I'd still like to give it a go and I understand that most kiters don't worship themselves in the way that LoW, WS and their ilk do, but the existence of the arrogant haters is a real turn off for people who want to get into a friendly sport.


You haven't started kiting over a few words in a forum? Really?



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