Select to expand quoteburnsy11 said...Haydn24 said..1QAZ2WSX said...
Ok using your caveman logics, let's go kill every bee near humans, remove every vending machine, stop people driving motor vehicles, ban skydiving and kill every hippo near humans!! Yes that's right, these kill more people than sharks! Disgraceful decision, we're doomed as a race, not long till Mother Nature sorts us out with some of her finest forces
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This argument regularly comes up and grinds my gears.
182 car fatalities in WA in 2012.
WA population is 2.1 million and say a million drive an average of an hour a day
In a year this is 365,000,000 hours on the road a year
1 death per 2,000,000 driving hours
Shark attacks 6 in two years
Say a thousand surfers surf for one hour a day
365,000 hours a year
1 death per 121,000 hours from sharks
Means your 16 times more likely to get eaten by a shark if you're a surfer than die driving your car.
Don???t get me started thinking about vending machine and bee exposure.
It's not about CHANCE of being killed but rather amount of people killed! I would bet you everything I own that number shark attacks will remain the same after this culling starts! Mark my words. They are not going to patrol every beach 24/7 are they?
Ill take that bet mate - just have a look at the statistics on the east coast you muppett - Fisherman will be taking out large numbers for the first couple months - as soon as a shark larger than 3m is spotted in the killzone - it will be killed !
The 18 yr old that died 11 days ago at Coffs Harbour??
Do you really think fisherman will be at every beach people surf at 24/7 to kill sharks? How many sharks chase bait into a beach then harmlessly swim back out to sea? Probably hundreds every day. Do they deserve to die because you want to feel safer in an already statistically safe environment? My answer is no.
Do you wear copious amounts of sunscreen when you go outdoors? Probably not but your chance of dying of cancer is so much higher than getting chomped by a shark, "muppet".
Select to expand quoteHaydn24 said..burnsy11 said...Haydn24 said..1QAZ2WSX said...
Ok using your caveman logics, let's go kill every bee near humans, remove every vending machine, stop people driving motor vehicles, ban skydiving and kill every hippo near humans!! Yes that's right, these kill more people than sharks! Disgraceful decision, we're doomed as a race, not long till Mother Nature sorts us out with some of her finest forces
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This argument regularly comes up and grinds my gears.
182 car fatalities in WA in 2012.
WA population is 2.1 million and say a million drive an average of an hour a day
In a year this is 365,000,000 hours on the road a year
1 death per 2,000,000 driving hours
Shark attacks 6 in two years
Say a thousand surfers surf for one hour a day
365,000 hours a year
1 death per 121,000 hours from sharks
Means your 16 times more likely to get eaten by a shark if you're a surfer than die driving your car.
Don???t get me started thinking about vending machine and bee exposure.
It's not about CHANCE of being killed but rather amount of people killed! I would bet you everything I own that number shark attacks will remain the same after this culling starts! Mark my words. They are not going to patrol every beach 24/7 are they?
Ill take that bet mate - just have a look at the statistics on the east coast you muppett - Fisherman will be taking out large numbers for the first couple months - as soon as a shark larger than 3m is spotted in the killzone - it will be killed !
The 18 yr old that died 11 days ago at Coffs Harbour??
Do you really think fisherman will be at every beach people surf at 24/7 to kill sharks? How many sharks chase bait into a beach then harmlessly swim back out to sea? Probably hundreds every day. Do they deserve to die because you want to feel safer in an already statistically safe environment? My answer is no.
Do you wear copious amounts of sunscreen when you go outdoors? Probably not but your chance of dying of cancer is so much higher than getting chomped by a shark, "muppet".
Yes i do - invisible zinc- it minimises my risk 
Fisherman will be out there 24/7 in a lot of areas actually - big dollars to be made & they enjoy the thrill.
Yeah the 18 yo just recently & tragically - but now give me the numbers of Shark attack fatalities in the last 20 years for the whole east coast (QLD,NSW & VIC)
We control Wild Roos, Wild Dogs, Wild Horses , Wild Pigs, Wild Rabbits, Wild Foxes, Crocs & Snakes numbers in the hundreds of thousands- this is no different you clown.
Your location lists you as being in QLD - worry about your own backyard.
Muppet ! 
Select to expand quoteburnsy11 said..
Yeah the 18 yo just recently & tragically - but now give me the numbers of Shark attack fatalities in the last 20 years for the whole east coast (QLD,NSW & VIC).
Your location lists you as being in QLD - worry about your own backyard.
Couldn't find previous 20 yrs but its still FAR higher over ALL of the states as you requested. Looks like we have for more to worry about than you, add in crocs, snakes and stingers....
statistics wise i would be interested what a sharks chance of being killed are... 1 in 1000? 1 in 10?
i mean humans still kill up to 750,000 sharks per day.
and yes you are an idiot for thinking these drum lines don't affect the shark population. while it may not decrease it, it will certainly stop it from recovering.
all these ridiculous arguments, media hype and politically manipulated bills are the reason i gave up marine sciences. humanity, take note, the ecosystem will turn on you.
Select to expand quotestoked2surf said..
statistics wise i would be interested what a sharks chance of being killed are... 1 in 1000? 1 in 10?
i mean humans still kill up to 750,000 sharks per day.
and yes you are an idiot for thinking these drum lines don't affect the shark population. while it may not decrease it, it will certainly stop it from recovering.
all these ridiculous arguments, media hype and politically manipulated bills are the reason i gave up marine sciences. humanity, take note, the ecosystem will turn on you.
Yup, currently at JCU in marine biology... the cavemen really ruin it for this sector 
Select to expand quoteMonkers said..
Although I am a kitesurfer I have been surfing in WA water for 30 years and finally in the last 2 years I have stopped and have limited my surfing to Indo. Which is a real shame because nothing makes me happier than surfing in WA and enjoying the WA coastline..I'm glad they are doing something about it ( besides research )... I just hope it works...
I think it's more than just fatalities and this is a good example. The government obviously want to stop the extreme outcomes but they also need to manage the impact it is having on people's every days lives.
At the height of summer, I love taking the kids to Cott for a night time swim. Now I've sadly limited that to Hillaries marina. It's impacting the very water loving lifestyle WA/Australia is iconic for.
So I'll support almost any action. Easy to steer a moving ship that a stationary one.
Select to expand quoteHaydn24 said..stoked2surf said..
statistics wise i would be interested what a sharks chance of being killed are... 1 in 1000? 1 in 10?
i mean humans still kill up to 750,000 sharks per day.
and yes you are an idiot for thinking these drum lines don't affect the shark population. while it may not decrease it, it will certainly stop it from recovering.
all these ridiculous arguments, media hype and politically manipulated bills are the reason i gave up marine sciences. humanity, take note, the ecosystem will turn on you.
Yup, currently at JCU in marine biology... the cavemen really ruin it for this sector
how old are you hadyn?
I think it should be made law that the shark cull can proceed ONLY if all the kitesurfers and surfers in WA promise to never, ever whinge about overcrowded breaks and spots again.
Select to expand quoteeppo said...Haydn24 said..stoked2surf said..
statistics wise i would be interested what a sharks chance of being killed are... 1 in 1000? 1 in 10?
i mean humans still kill up to 750,000 sharks per day.
and yes you are an idiot for thinking these drum lines don't affect the shark population. while it may not decrease it, it will certainly stop it from recovering.
all these ridiculous arguments, media hype and politically manipulated bills are the reason i gave up marine sciences. humanity, take note, the ecosystem will turn on you.
Yup, currently at JCU in marine biology... the cavemen really ruin it for this sector
how old are you hadyn?
20 mate
Select to expand quotepearl said..
Queeensland has been doing this for years.....
In the name of Tourism. The bycatch is horrendous... Whales. Turtles. Dugong. Dolphins.
Select to expand quoteHaydn24 said..eppo said...Haydn24 said..stoked2surf said..
statistics wise i would be interested what a sharks chance of being killed are... 1 in 1000? 1 in 10?
i mean humans still kill up to 750,000 sharks per day.
and yes you are an idiot for thinking these drum lines don't affect the shark population. while it may not decrease it, it will certainly stop it from recovering.
all these ridiculous arguments, media hype and politically manipulated bills are the reason i gave up marine sciences. humanity, take note, the ecosystem will turn on you.
Yup, currently at JCU in marine biology... the cavemen really ruin it for this sector
how old are you hadyn?
20 mate
Hahaha enough said - some pimply faced kid with his head stuck on his laptop/ipad all day.
And if your going to paste some half assed table of figures - at least show that its from some type of reputable source.
I agree with Burnsy, a great victory for WA.....
I also agree we should've tagged sharks years ago, and this could help us better understand them....
Nonetheless, the ocean is in a state of anarchy. We do not let murderers and rapists do what they want and "leave them be in the ecosystem" and advise everyone who steps outside to "face the risk" of being raped or murdered. Instead, we create places for the undesirable people where they do not harm. In some countries they have the death penalty.
So murderers have their place in jail, and sharks have their place deep in the ocean--> not along our shores where innocent people (including children) are encouraged to play, be healthy, and enjoy the outdoors.
Don't start whinging about vending machines and bee's unless you are a total idiot.
We are protecting people in the ocean as we've been protecting people on the land since the dawn of civilisation. Our ecosystem on land is protected by jails, our beaches are now being protected by baited drum lines.
No animal should be killed in vein and the meat should definitely be put to use.
Kangaroo's are culled every day for the benefit of farmers and drivers and they are our national animal. It's not because we hate them but because we ARE managing our ecosystem.
Finally the shark to fish ratio can be improved and our beaches can be protected for us and for future generations.
Select to expand quoteChiroTrev said..
I agree with Burnsy, a great victory for WA..... this makes me sad
I also agree we should've tagged sharks years ago, and this could help us better understand them.... yes
Nonetheless, the ocean is in a state of anarchy. We do not let murderers and rapists do what they want and "leave them be in the ecosystem" and advise everyone who steps outside to "face the risk" of being raped or murdered. Instead, we create places for the undesirable people where they do not harm. In some countries they have the death penalty. - you are applying human traits such as malicious intent to animals now...
So murderers have their place in jail, and sharks have their place deep in the ocean--> not along our shores where innocent people (including children) are encouraged to play, be healthy, and enjoy the outdoors. - lost for words.
Don't start whinging about vending machines and bee's unless you are a total idiot. - i will respect your wishes.
We are protecting people in the ocean as we've been protecting people on the land since the dawn of civilisation. Our ecosystem on land is protected by jails, our beaches are now being protected by baited drum lines. - is "we" referring to humans" ? or aus civilisation only ? either way, you could argue protectivism has not been a strong point during and since colonisation, especially iof you are an indigenous person
No animal should be killed in vein and the meat should definitely be put to use. - google "heavy metal build up in large pelagic animals"
Kangaroo's are culled every day for the benefit of farmers and drivers and they are our national animal. It's not because we hate them but because we ARE managing our ecosystem. - and the meat is lean and tasty if cooked right.
Finally the shark to fish ratio can be improved and our beaches can be protected for us and for future generations. - protecting beaches... or creating an atmosphere of safety for people?
not sure who said it previously, but i think i got a little dumber reading and responding to this... must stop reading emotive shark posts.
No....Captain Cook visited 18 yrs earlier -
Captain Arthur Phillip had settled the British Crown colony of NSW in 1788 & yes they were keeping records.
We won. Sharks will get caught and die. Argument over. Anyway for those who are pro culling when is the culling season for snapper ect start. Just got a new rode and keen for a fish. Hope none of you dirty hypocrite hippies go out and cull snapper this year. And i must say, i am impressed how much energy you anti culling hippies have, i mean beibg vegan and all i didnt expect you guys to pipe up so much, let alone use the internet at your communes.
Ah Jono you won did you??? lets wait and see buddy. Sharks & dolphins and other marine life will die to make you feel good. For the record I'm not a hippie or a vegan or any other derogatory minority you want to classify me as. I am disappointed in your point of view but you are entitled to it.
Mark
Just stirring the pot mark, (apparently i am a cave man so your side are hippies) but i do believe something must be done. And i rather it done now before the problem/population increases. Seeing two sharks in tgree months and was at scabs today when thr siren went off has reinforced my beliefs.
Jono I'm not stirring anything what I say is what I believe, as I've said I'm no wannabe new age skinny soy café loving vegan hippy but I am someone that loves nature and I get out on the ocean as much as I can & I don't want to see the ocean changed to make the masses which probably includes you who spend 1% at the very most of their time in the ocean feeling all snuggly & safe.
Select to expand quoteHaydn24 said..eppo said...Haydn24 said..stoked2surf said..
statistics wise i would be interested what a sharks chance of being killed are... 1 in 1000? 1 in 10?
i mean humans still kill up to 750,000 sharks per day.
and yes you are an idiot for thinking these drum lines don't affect the shark population. while it may not decrease it, it will certainly stop it from recovering.
all these ridiculous arguments, media hype and politically manipulated bills are the reason i gave up marine sciences. humanity, take note, the ecosystem will turn on you.
Yup, currently at JCU in marine biology... the cavemen really ruin it for this sector
how old are you hadyn?
20 mate
Haydn everyone is entitled to their opinion as you are. The reason I asked is I did an triple major in biological and environmental science as well as extractive metallurgy. I was 20 once and exposed to the philosophies and teachings you are now experiencing. So I do understand where you are coming from.
But I will say with time, a wife and two small children the 'caveman' you mentioned does get stronger and that's purely biological, the need to protect your DNA. You cannot take on some of the teachings and not the others. We are in a continual game of life and death and everything is trying to survive as you are and in the end will kill if need be. You cannot escape this biological premise. When ideology meets reality things change. Symbiotic relationships are purely selfish in intent that just work, if they don't one will destroy the other if need be.
Hence it's is such a grey area this one, and I see both extremes in terms of point of views here. More research is needed even in he he name of another PR arm in the governments armour.
Sorry if Ive missed something here... but sharks are fairly clever and when you let off bait drums relatively close to shore it teaches them to 'Peruse' the area...
nice to see theyve learnt fairly quick down scarbs
An eye for an eye + an arm or a leg 
Sorry to carry on like a pork chop I'm off to massage my gold fish & have a soy mocha fish burger.
Select to expand quoteSaveTheWhales said..
Sorry if Ive missed something here... but sharks are fairly clever and when you let off bait drums relatively close to shore it teaches them to 'Peruse' the area...
nice to see theyve learnt fairly quick down scarbs
An eye for an eye + an arm or a leg
It will be interesting for sure to see how this pans out. Yes when fishing the dampier archipelago islands, once we had brought in a fish or two, they would cotton on and it was near nigh impossible to bring up a whole fish. They are scavenger hunters and look for prey in distress. We would have to move and resume the process all over again with the same result. They do indeed learn.
But I suppose we are assuming the decision to use baited drums as an actual effective shark protection tool was based purely on a possible solution to this problem. You would have to be somewhat naive to think this. All decisions before and in the future will have some to most, political leverage within the mix. And to say this is wrong is also naive.
Couldn't find previous 20 yrs but its still FAR higher over ALL of the states as you requested. Looks like we have for more to worry about than you, add in crocs, snakes and stingers....
Select to expand quoteSaveTheWhales said..
Sorry if Ive missed something here... but sharks are fairly clever and when you let off bait drums relatively close to shore it teaches them to 'Peruse' the area...
nice to see theyve learnt fairly quick down scarbs
An eye for an eye + an arm or a leg
What a nob !! Go bat off over a whale carcass !
Couldn't find previous 20 yrs but its still FAR higher over ALL of the states as you requested. Looks like we have for more to worry about than you, add in crocs, snakes and stingers....
