Looking for best jumping/hang-time 9m LEI kite for 20-25kts days.
No wakestyle, no C kite, no unhook,... No Epic Screamer.
Currently own & ride 9m RRD Obsession & 15m speed 3.
I still did not had a chance to demo Rebel, but from what i saw. Rebel 2015 have massive hang time. Way more different then my Obsession. I can't really expect to demo other kites from list.
1. rebel, expensive but well build. 5 lines, (24m bar) - don't plan to unhook nor waves so no issue.
2. Edge. they say online that this kite have massive jumping performance, but some say it's build bad, low quality
3. Draft.. They advertising that 16sec jump.. Not sure about performance or quality
Did anybody demo any of those kites and can advise me.
Thanks
Airtime = edge
It's built well but it's built for racing, just don't loop it into the surf
I'll put another vote in for the edge. At 82kg I use 10m edge in 18-25 knots. The 10 edge is a freaken jumping machine. If you want crazy big jumps travelling a massive distance then look at the edge. Like cab says. The build quality is good. However they are build light weight for performance. So if you can keep a kite in the air then good. If you constantly smash em into the deck look for a more robust kite. I more robust kite will have less performance... its a trade off.
i was thinking that rebel is expensive until i really checked Ozone prices. Damn they are expensive.
Select to expand quote1950 said..
i was thinking that rebel is expensive until i really checked Ozone prices. Damn they are expensive.
yep. Thats the reason why all my edges have been second hand!....
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
You already have the Speed3 15, just use that!
Yes, up to 20kts with smooth wind/no gusts. And it's awesome. 
But after ~20kts i prefer LEI.Select to expand quotePlummet said..1950 said..
i was thinking that rebel is expensive until i really checked Ozone prices. Damn they are expensive.
yep. Thats the reason why all my edges have been second hand!....
Think i have to demo edge before this decision. I can find 2015 Rebel for about 30% off and that's still a lot of money. But Ozone no where near it's about 20-30% more expensive then North MSRP
I'd try a core riot too. I've flown edges for the last few years and loved them. Swapped to cores now and they still provide massive height and hang time.
Edges and rebels are both awesome.
Edge will probably have more hang time.
Edge probably goes upwind a bit better and lets you ride a bit faster.
Rebel definitely more responsive and steers nicer, better all rounder.
I would say the rebel is stronger when you drop it for sure.
5 line bar is annoying unless you're going to ride rebels forever exclusively.
Ozone kites are still boring / ugly, but we're not out there to froth over how pretty the kite is.
Select to expand quote1950 said..Kamikuza said..
You already have the Speed3 15, just use that!
Yes, up to 20kts with smooth wind/no gusts. And it's awesome. But after ~20kts i prefer LEI.
Love mine in that range.
How about a Crossbow? think they made them to 2013 when they got replaced by the even-more racey VMG and they're bomb-proof, unlike the delicate Edge. Bar pressure will be lighter than the Rebel, I bet...
Select to expand quote1950 said..Kamikuza said..
You already have the Speed3 15, just use that!
Yes, up to 20kts with smooth wind/no gusts. And it's awesome. But after ~20kts i prefer LEI.Plummet said..1950 said..
i was thinking that rebel is expensive until i really checked Ozone prices. Damn they are expensive.
yep. Thats the reason why all my edges have been second hand!....
Think i have to demo edge before this decision. I can find 2015 Rebel for about 30% off and that's still a lot of money. But Ozone no where near it's about 20-30% more expensive then North MSRP
I owned a 15m speed 3 dlx and 10 edge. The speed has the glide in the light winds. But if you want nose bleeding height blistering speed and jump for a ridiculous distance. The edge has it all over the speed in 20+ knot. I have never jumped so far on any other kite than the 10 edge. Well maybe the 12 chrono. nah, I prefer the 10 edge in 25 knots to my chrono.
I used to ride edges, great kites! I'm on the naish pivots now, and I can tell you, they get you up there, great boosting kite with the added wave performance.
Select to expand quoteJacobMatan said...
Does anyone out there ride the draft? I never really here anything about them
Don't be daft
eppos loving his airtime on the dynos, the Evo would do the job along with edges, fs boost rebels , draft, switchy, nitro,
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
I owned a 15m speed 3 dlx and 10 edge. The speed has the glide in the light winds. But if you want nose bleeding height blistering speed and jump for a ridiculous distance. The edge has it all over the speed in 20+ knot. I have never jumped so far on any other kite than the 10 edge. Well maybe the 12 chrono. nah, I prefer the 10 edge in 25 knots to my chrono.
I'm pretty convinced you haven't got that 15 squared away right my 10m Crossbow is good in 25, but the Speeds still go bigger, higher and longer. Oh wait, maybe I just don't have the tubes squared away 
Thanks for advices. It's now Rebel vs Edge battle and it'll depend on price that i get. I can't demo, i'm not from or living in AUS, taught i would like to be :)
Just going to update my location in profile.
and i think Edge is starting to win this battle, i don't mind not bomb proof construction over performance. :)
Cheers
Select to expand quoteloftsofwind said..
Demo them??
My country is not even included to country selector on profile page. Can you imagine how many Edges & Rebels we have here to demo
Select to expand quote1950 said..
Thanks for advices. It's now Rebel vs Edge battle and it'll depend on price that i get. I can't demo, i'm not from or living in AUS, taught i would like to be :)
Just going to update my location in profile.
and i think Edge is starting to win this battle, i don't mind not bomb proof construction over performance. :)
Cheers
I ride Edges and love them but as others have said they are a fairly light construction and I've found a bit more prone to wear and tear than other kites. Given Ozone are set up to manufacture to order it's worth considering an extra bladder set at time of purchase, my last one I got a full bladder set included for not much more than 1 strut bought by itself when I was desperate.
Why don't ozone just build a free ride edge in the lower sizes. Sure the lite weight makes a huge difference when your racing but if your throwing an 8 or 10 around boosting in high winds then a bit of extra material could be a good thing ?
Why don't ozone just build a free ride edge in the lower sizes. Sure the lite weight makes a huge difference when your racing but if your throwing an 8 or 10 around boosting in high winds then a bit of extra material could be a good thing ?
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Plummet said..
I owned a 15m speed 3 dlx and 10 edge. The speed has the glide in the light winds. But if you want nose bleeding height blistering speed and jump for a ridiculous distance. The edge has it all over the speed in 20+ knot. I have never jumped so far on any other kite than the 10 edge. Well maybe the 12 chrono. nah, I prefer the 10 edge in 25 knots to my chrono.
I'm pretty convinced you haven't got that 15 squared away right my 10m Crossbow is good in 25, but the Speeds still go bigger, higher and longer. Oh wait, maybe I just don't have the tubes squared away
Nope I am all over speed jumping technique. I've been flying foils longer than you have been kite surfing,,,,, Longer than I have been kitesurfing. I did 5 years of only flying foils when I was dedicated landkiting.
The speed definitely glides longer and jumps better in lighter winds. Sub 20 knots. But 20+ its getting too powered for an 82kg man, You just can't hold a good enough edge to load and pop for insane height. The edge has far better speed and timeablility to hit ramps at full pace and boost huge. The speed too slow and ramp timing is nowhere near as good.
Select to expand quoteJacobMatan said...
Why don't ozone just build a free ride edge in the lower sizes. Sure the lite weight makes a huge difference when your racing but if your throwing an 8 or 10 around boosting in high winds then a bit of extra material could be a good thing ?
Pretty sure it'd be the direction to go, the edges competitive race days are over compared to the chrono and r1,
Select to expand quoteChris6791 said...1950 said..
Thanks for advices. It's now Rebel vs Edge battle and it'll depend on price that i get. I can't demo, i'm not from or living in AUS, taught i would like to be :)
Just going to update my location in profile.
and i think Edge is starting to win this battle, i don't mind not bomb proof construction over performance. :)
Cheers
I ride Edges and love them but as others have said they are a fairly light construction and I've found a bit more prone to wear and tear than other kites. Given Ozone are set up to manufacture to order it's worth considering an extra bladder set at time of purchase, my last one I got a full bladder set included for not much more than 1 strut bought by itself when I was desperate.
How is the new d2 constructed edge holding up compared to the older tejin construction
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Nope I am all over speed jumping technique. I've been flying foils longer than you have been kite surfing,,,,, Longer than I have been kitesurfing. I did 5 years of only flying foils when I was dedicated landkiting.
The speed definitely glides longer and jumps better in lighter winds. Sub 20 knots. But 20+ its getting too powered for an 82kg man, You just can't hold a good enough edge to load and pop for insane height. The edge has far better speed and timeablility to hit ramps at full pace and boost huge. The speed too slow and ramp timing is nowhere near as good.
Yeah I started with power kites too, and stacked stunt kites before that. But it's not the years you put in, it's what you put in the years; however, I'll never use my age or experience to dismiss you, Uncle Plums.
See, you keep saying stuff like "too powered" and "can't hold a good edge" which tells me you haven't really gotten all over it. You can't ride it like a tube if you're pushing the limits. Your timing might be no good, but mine must be cos the 15 pisses all over 10s from a great height.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
Eddie's for his foil technique locked in too
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said...Plummet said..
Nope I am all over speed jumping technique. I've been flying foils longer than you have been kite surfing,,,,, Longer than I have been kitesurfing. I did 5 years of only flying foils when I was dedicated landkiting.
The speed definitely glides longer and jumps better in lighter winds. Sub 20 knots. But 20+ its getting too powered for an 82kg man, You just can't hold a good enough edge to load and pop for insane height. The edge has far better speed and timeablility to hit ramps at full pace and boost huge. The speed too slow and ramp timing is nowhere near as good.
Yeah I started with power kites too, and stacked stunt kites before that. But it's not the years you put in, it's what you put in the years; however, I'll never use my age or experience to dismiss you, Uncle Plums.
See, you keep saying stuff like "too powered" and "can't hold a good edge" which tells me you haven't really gotten all over it. You can't ride it like a tube if you're pushing the limits. Your timing might be no good, but mine must be cos the 15 pisses all over 10s from a great height.
Next time your in nz. Plan a trip to the naki and put your money where your mouth is!. . . . . . . Well see who jumps highest.
The Edge and that style of inflatable kite was still used by heaps of riders in the formula board and TT racing in China, certainly by the majority of riders at least.
The Edge has been refined, bridles and reinforcements have been strengthened as much as they can without affecting performance, but adding weight, by adding reinforcements that look like they are doing something, while actually really only adding weight is always a bad thing for kite performance. The lighter a kite is the better it performs in light wind and direction changes/turning, as well as stability and gust control. Careful monitoring of the weight of a kite in the design and construction process, combined with a top design, produces crisp response and top performance that Edges are known for. Saw one of my mates in Sydney packing up his 9M 2011 Edge, its showing its age a bit (so is he!), but its still going strong and it looks like he will get another season from it!
D2, especially Teijin, is much better cloth, the way each fibre is coated then woven and then coated again as well as the extra ripstop thread is a huge improvement over any single ripstop cloth, even Teijin brand single ripstop.
And Eddy is still going huge on them, this clip is of the new Edge V8
