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My 10m c4 is soooooo slow!

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Created by Plummet > 9 months ago, 29 Sep 2013
radman4
678 posts
30 Sep 2013 2:16PM
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But isn't the average rider the target for kite companies, your not gonna make any money targeting the pro rider cos the pro riders are sponsored it's the average joe that spends the coin so there's your target market,the addition of slow and fast settings on the wingtip is so you can obviously dial the bar feel and speed to your desired liking and from your own admission yes you can slow down or speed up the kite to suit your style Ergo your error.

someawe
WA, 179 posts
30 Sep 2013 2:24PM
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^^ correct!

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
30 Sep 2013 2:49PM
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Did you even read what I wrote Radman4? Those settings on the wingtip are an after thought. Putting your kite on the "slow" setting usually makes it perform far worse than on the setting it was originally designed with. Designing a kite to turn slower in the first place yields a far better product.

I never said the average joe wasn't the majority... I merely said this R&D logic is backwards in comparison to most other extreme sports/ board-sports, and in my opinion is only helping to hold back progression of the Pros (and also the Joes).

In other extreme sports/ boards sports the Joes aspire to be Pros, development of equipment is designed towards use by the Pros at an elite level, the Joes aspire to that level and quality of equipment thus they tend to want whatever the pros have.
For some reason in Kiteboarding, we see a backwards design of equipment (especially so in the Freestyle/Wakestyle category, not so much Race or Wave) where equipment is targeted to use by kooks. Adding on whatever gimmick possible to entice kooks to buy the product is used in favour of evolving the equipment to a greater level of pro performance.
This kind of backwards R&D I believe was invented by North.

radman4
678 posts
30 Sep 2013 3:24PM
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Yes I did And I quote

Sir Rowdy said:

"You most definitely can't make a fast kite slow"

And

"Yes the slower (or heavier bar pressure) setting will slow the kite down a bit"

So which is it yes you can slow it down or no you can't slow it down





sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
30 Sep 2013 3:34PM
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radman4 said..

Yes I did And I quote

Sir Rowdy said:

"You most definitely can't make a fast kite slow"

And

"Yes the slower (or heavier bar pressure) setting will slow the kite down a bit"

So which is it yes you can slow it down or no you can't slow it down



Did you ever think it depends on what your definition of "fast" and "slow" is???

As i said, in my opinion you can't make a fast kite slow. You can however slow a fast kite "down a bit" to what would be a more manageable speed, but you still haven't made a fast kite a slow kite.

This is much the same as the definition of long and short .

Plummet
4862 posts
30 Sep 2013 3:40PM
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oK. The thread hijack is complete now. Its gone from man enjoys fast kite to manufacturers only cater to kooks.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
30 Sep 2013 3:47PM
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Plummet said..

oK. The thread hijack is complete now. Its gone from man enjoys fast kite to manufacturers only cater to kooks.


Sorry for jacking your super important "My 10m c4 is soooooo slow!" thread...

Back on topic guys!!!

OMG! I love fast kites as well! I thought I was the only one! My 5m is amazing!!! I can't stand these slow kites on the market, what are people thinking!!!??? Can't wait for another 50knot session, that's where the real kiting happens!

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
30 Sep 2013 5:52PM
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someawe said..
99% of riders are average Joe riders, only 1% are FIGJAM riders!


Ha ha ha too true, lots of FIGJAM on this site.

99% of riders is where 99% of the profits come from.

Go figure

Chris_M
2132 posts
30 Sep 2013 4:00PM
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I hope you guys eventually make up......

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
30 Sep 2013 4:21PM
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junglist said..

99% of riders is where 99% of the profits come from.

Go figure


Who would have thought it ay...

Plummet
4862 posts
30 Sep 2013 4:54PM
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sir ROWDY said..

Plummet said..

oK. The thread hijack is complete now. Its gone from man enjoys fast kite to manufacturers only cater to kooks.


Sorry for jacking your super important "My 10m c4 is soooooo slow!" thread...

Back on topic guys!!!

OMG! I love fast kites as well! I thought I was the only one! My 5m is amazing!!! I can't stand these slow kites on the market, what are people thinking!!!??? Can't wait for another 50knot session, that's where the real kiting happens!


righto. That's better. Now don't deviate from the thread topic in the future or the "thread police" will visit you in the middle of the night and perform some of their out deviations.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
30 Sep 2013 8:12PM
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generally a small kite high wind powered session produces a lot of addrenalin which influences how you feel about a certain session, if you actually took footage of yourself youd find yourself a much smoother and fluent rider pound for pound on a larger kite,personally i find a small kite session exciting in the correct winds but still find myself geting annoyed through certain aspects of the small kites power delivery, even in the upper limits i find myself working the kites arse off to generate a decent pull especially through transitions either carved or jumping, yeh it flys around at warp speed but for what outcome? also the kite doesnt sit properly in the wind window without a fair bit of bar input, the list could go on, this is based on a powered freeriders outlook, if you love a powered session on a small kite but enjoy a larger kites handling and power try a 7mtr edge or similar profile

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
30 Sep 2013 10:33PM
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small kite and 50 knot winds IS exactly when the real kiting happens. I have no desire to do any trick other than boosting ever, and I wish I could use my 7m all the time.

Plummet
4862 posts
1 Oct 2013 3:37AM
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I agree with both wishy and cauncy. small kite sessions are where it at. I live for those sessions. But they can also be trustration when your not powered enough. Theres nothing worse than working the **** out of a little gutless kite with bugger all power when you know you can be having a ball on a bigger kite. But hit that sweet zone of the little kite and booyaah! for me 30+ on the 6 reo. 35 for some really floaty action.

default
WA, 1255 posts
1 Oct 2013 11:23AM
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sir ROWDY said..

This kind of backwards R&D I believe was invented by North.


haha - love it!



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