Painfully slow! So slow I thought there was something wrong with the kite.
Then I realised. My last session was on the 6 reo in a storm,,,, Superfast kiting.
Yourve got to love super lightning fast kites.
today I flown my 1st Ozone 2012 REO 12 meter kite on 12 knots winds. I am impressed how smooth it is and quick to input. Anyone out there with issues with the 2012 REO kites?
Select to expand quotePlummet said...
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Yourve got to love super lightning fast kites.
No, no you don't. The idea that faster (and I presume you mean faster turning for a small amount of bar input) is a stupid idea for most kiters most of the time.
Beginners, if you are reading this realise that most of the time you (and plenty of advanced riders too) want a steady kite that only turns fast with significant bar input. By positioning the kite appropriately in the window and timing bar input with board input, any modern kite under 12m turns plenty fast enough. Twitchy kites simply make it harder to learn new tricks as they respond wildly to accidental bar input.
All generations of C4 turn plenty fast enough.
Yes yes yes I do want a super fast kite!... fast in turning and fast across the window. just super fast.
If your kiting a storm with house sizes slabs then fast is good. Slow is bad!.
On a side not I also want sloooooooooow.... very slooooooooow kites also. Luckily I have a mix from SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW to FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST.
Select to expand quotedjdojo said..
To use it as a ridiculously zippy storm-kite with anything longer than a 45cm bar is also a silly idea for most riders.
Are you calling me silly?
If so yes I agree I am prone to silliness.
6 reo is plenty controllable on a 50cm bar. That is if you have reasonable kite skills. If not then I guess the lesser kite flyer may want to dull its performance down with a smaller bar.
It may not be silly for you and your style - maybe it works well, but it ain't my cup of tea and I think my kite skills are solid enough.
On the flip side - we're just about to have a new season and a new bunch of rookies hitting the beach and the last thing we need is them thinking that they want a kite that will loop every time their pinky finger twitches.
At the risk of repeating myself - I'd suggest going with the recommended length Ozone bar on all Ozone kites or perhaps a size smaller on some (e.g. the 8m Cat is very fast on the 50cm bar - 45 would be plenty for it). Learning to position your kite deep in the window and keep some load on your lines when you need to turn it quickly will increase its potential turning speed far more than a bigger bar, and will do so in a way that keeps it safer and more fun for learning rotations etc.
i am asking about bladers or structure issues. thanks Yes i agree on preventing accidents. i purchased the kite to surf waves.
I wish all my kites turned the speed of a 12m, even for waves... no one can learn anything decent on a warp speed kite.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said..
I wish all my kites turned the speed of a 12m, even for waves... no one can learn anything decent on a warp speed kite.
Wait what?
You want a slow turning kite for waves?
Yes. Why would I want a fast kite for waves??? The faster it turns the more chance you're going to crash it when you are doing a big turn or air, especially if you actually un-hook.
Well one mans trash is another mans treasure. I always enjoy my little fast kite session. If I could get all my kites to turn at he same speed I'd want them all to turn like my 8m.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
Wait what?
You want a slow turning kite for waves?
I thought exactly this in exactly these words as I was reading this thread! I guess it's up to your style but my idea of hell is a bottom turn-top turn re entry, then waiting for my 10m to sloooowly make its way back across the window before the wave I was just cutting to pieces decides to pound me on the head. 
First kite in a month after being smashed by the flu... I am in a happy place.
"Funny topic - because .... Im talking to wave riders all day everyday and there are 2 distinct groups.
Some like a really fast kite that moves wherever they want it to - all the time & anytime they ask it. Id label this breed a "wave kite". Great for playing with waves.
The other school is the exact opposite. They want a slower moving, more stable kite that is always there for them but unlikely to fly all over the place when they are working the wave with their board and dont even want a kite in the mix. Id label this kite a "surf kite". Great for riding waves."
-puppetonastring (www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/What-is-the-best-kite-for-wave-riding/)
i don't really surf with my kites so excuse me if i have no idea... but wouldn't you want a slow kite? One where it just sits there and you actually surf the wave and don't rely on the kite?? Or do you guys just come down the face turn left and right as you whip the kite around and call it surfing?
I'm with you Plummet, fast is the go, if all my kites were as fast as my 5.5m I would be very happy, if you are worried about crashing your kite "man up" !:-)
Select to expand quotembuckley said..
"Funny topic - because .... Im talking to wave riders all day everyday and there are 2 distinct groups.
Some like a really fast kite that moves wherever they want it to - all the time & anytime they ask it. Id label this breed a "wave kite". Great for playing with waves.
The other school is the exact opposite. They want a slower moving, more stable kite that is always there for them but unlikely to fly all over the place when they are working the wave with their board and dont even want a kite in the mix. Id label this kite a "surf kite". Great for riding waves."
-puppetonastring (www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/What-is-the-best-kite-for-wave-riding/)
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Select to expand quoteBig eeeZeee said..
i don't really surf with my kites so excuse me if i have no idea... but wouldn't you want a slow kite? One where it just sits there and you actually surf the wave and don't rely on the kite?? Or do you guys just come down the face turn left and right as you whip the kite around and call it surfing?
Do you really mean slow kite though rather than a stable kite with drift? If you have something that can drift back nicely in the window while you do your thing on the wave, and hangs there nice and stable, you still want it to respond when you need it - to pull you through a close out section, escape a dumper because you're in too deep, or pump some speed.
Good thread link Poida, kind of kills this conversation!
Select to expand quotedjdojo said..
It may not be silly for you and your style - maybe it works well, but it ain't my cup of tea and I think my kite skills are solid enough.
On the flip side - we're just about to have a new season and a new bunch of rookies hitting the beach and the last thing we need is them thinking that they want a kite that will loop every time their pinky finger twitches.
At the risk of repeating myself - I'd suggest going with the recommended length Ozone bar on all Ozone kites or perhaps a size smaller on some (e.g. the 8m Cat is very fast on the 50cm bar - 45 would be plenty for it). Learning to position your kite deep in the window and keep some load on your lines when you need to turn it quickly will increase its potential turning speed far more than a bigger bar, and will do so in a way that keeps it safer and more fun for learning rotations etc.
waaah waaah wah, won't somebody think of the children
The thing is. You can turn a fast kite into a slow kite by flying one handed with your hand in the middle of the bar. Let the bar out fully and you have super docile kite.
You can't make a slow kite fast!
I'm with you plummet my 6 is crazy fast and I love it so is my 7 if I'd been on a slow assed kite Saturday it would of turned a crazy storm close out session into a nightmare ,even though my kites are fast they are stable as and drift like a dream so I'd take that any day over sloooooow and stodgy.
Select to expand quoteradman4 said..
I'm with you plummet my 6 is crazy fast and I love it so is my 7 if I'd been on a slow assed kite Saturday it would of turned a crazy storm close out session into a nightmare ,even though my kites are fast they are stable as and drift like a dream so I'd take that any day over sloooooow and stodgy.
Yeah man. you have to love those sessions. A battle against the elements.
Do you mean a different kite suits different riding styles?
NO WAY!!!!!
I think you guys may have cracked it wide open
To be fair i was just waxing on how i enjoyed flying my little 6m kite.
Then the fast turning kite police jumped in telling off for blaspheming dangerous statements above my love of fast turning kites.
PS Fast turning is a relative. Even the lightening fast 6m reo is still a very slow kite compared to some fixed bridle land kites I have flown.
I could talk to my land kiting buddies about the how i enjoy the slow turning of my 6m reo in storm conditions and they would be envious at how slow my kite flies and turns compared to their 1-2m fixed bridles used in the same winds. ... .. . . . .. . . . . . . . . .. . . .
The all time fastest kite I have flown whilst riding a board (landboard that is) is 1m delta sport kite called a speedwing in a 30-50 knot storm. 2 lines, back strap. It was madness like flying an angry wasp.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
The thing is. You can turn a fast kite into a slow kite by flying one handed with your hand in the middle of the bar. Let the bar out fully and you have super docile kite.
You can't make a slow kite fast!
I'm sorry but that's one of the silliest things I've heard... You most definitely can't make a fast kite slow. (Especially if you are into un-hooking or riding the kite how it's supposed to be tuned.)
@ Big eeeZeeee, the truth is the reason I think most people really want a super fast kite for waves is so they can swing it around easier to fix mistakes in sloppy wave riding. People who want a super fast kite are generally hooked-in riders who enjoy getting whipped down the line at warp speed, I can't think of any Park and ride type riders who would like a warp speed kite. Park and ride type waveriders generally want a slower kite because they aren't moving their kite much while riding anyway, merely letting it drift with them down the line. The faster the kite becomes the more they have to worry about adjusting it back into the right position, taking away from cocentrating on the right position to be in on the wave (which is fairly important when you are riding this style).
Now I'm not saying that anyone should ride in a particular manner, or that you're want for a particular speed of kite isn't valid (because it is), I'm merely giving some explanation as to why I think people like these things.
p.s. This situation is much the same as hooked-in freestyle Vs "Wakestyle"... and to be honest it pains me to see that brands cater to the least progressive direction almost all of the time. I'm yet to see another extreme sport where product design and development is almost 99% directed at the average joe.
Select to expand quotesir ROWDY said..Plummet said..
The thing is. You can turn a fast kite into a slow kite by flying one handed with your hand in the middle of the bar. Let the bar out fully and you have super docile kite.
You can't make a slow kite fast!
I'm sorry but that's one of the silliest things I've heard... You most definitely can't make a fast kite slow. (Especially if you are into un-hooking or riding the kite how it's supposed to be tuned.)
Of course you can. Its just am matter of slack rear lines. The more slack you have the worst the will turn. As an extreme example at a 1 foot of leader line to your rear lines and come back and tell me if your kite turns the same or not.
When hooked in if you have a kite that depowers considerably with the bar out then you have slow turning bar out. fast turning bar in. .... easy peasy.
I think you're forgetting what slack rear lines mostly do... de-power the kite. Thus your theory is highly flawed if you want to actually be able to use the thing in any type of high performance manner.
Rowdy's on the warpath again
Actually your wrong there Rowdy ,took my mates park 6 for a fly on the light bar "Fast Turning" setting and it was quick as ,he didn't like it so we changed the tip setting to the heavy bar "Slow Turning" setting and yes it slowed the kite right down and he preferred it.
I preferred the quicker setting so basically each to their own if you prefer a slower mild mannered park and ride kite then good on ya but I don't.
Obviously why there's such a huge range of kites out there to suit the individual,but I don't think one is better than the other each just suits a different purpose so I don't think it comes down to sloppy riding or good riding just individual differences.
So how is it that you think I am "wrong" exactly? I can't really work that out.
Yes, the slower (or heavier bar pressure) setting will slow the kite down a bit, but once again it sacrifices performance and handling characteristics, as changing those settings is a design after-thought. Designing a kite to turn slower in the first instance creates a far better product for someone who wants that.
I'm not saying some people don't want faster kites, as I know lots of people do, I'm merely saying the majority of products are designed around what the average joe wants and not the professional rider - and to me that seems backwards in comparison to most board sports.
