I actually have ridden a few motocross tracks in Vic in my time.
Do you kite Remo?
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I think a lot of the above that has happened can be addressed by education that is not super obvious to everyone - mind you this can be debated in some cases! How does it compare to other sports? I am not exactly sure - between diving and paragliding? Paragliding i would guess was way more risky. Motorx riders to the orthopedic surgeons - kiters to trauma and ligament specialists! Mind you i do know of a local kiter that snapped their ankle and bone went through skin , footpad and pierced top skin of board yuuuk - only time i ever heard of it tho.:-)
i dont have a problem with competent riders teaching/helping their mates if they have common sense! i dont like the idea of a license - horrifying idea.. no need. Have never heard of 3rd party being injured other than fellow kiters. I don't like IKO particularly, but I have huge respect for quality instructors that don't "sell out", i see them as helping out everyone.
Did the guys that first started the sport get lessons? If not then why would anyone else want to? This is my point. If not getting lessons is reckless then the guys that taught your instructor are reckless, making your instructor reckless, thus making yourself reckless.
Iandvnt that is an interesting link. 50 bad injuries/deaths listed on there since 2007. Much more people die and are seriously injured on the roads in the AUS in one year.
Remo is just trying to say hes the bomb n gifted but he's not smart as we can tell, just like all the dumb sh?ts that call fellow kiters kooks, what happened to being humble? Too much ego n not enough kiting lol most of us that actually try our damn best kiting know how much it hurts. If u think this sport is soft remo maybe it's u who's soft n only try things ur comfortable with n refuse to go out in winds more than 20knots cause any kiter that kites in 25+ knows how dangerous it can be n would not encourage people to not have lessons.
Select to expand quoteremo81 said..kiteboy dave said..remo81 said..TryPushHarder said..
It is true, not everyone needs lessons, but some people have no common sense and those people put other peoples life's in danger buy not having lesson.
Remo what would u do if u n ur family were at the beach on a picnic n some tool with no lessons brought their kite n flew it up wind of u n he lost control of it, sh?t himself so released it n it flew over ur head but a line snagged around ur daughters head which powered the kite into death loops in took ur daughter for a deadly ride?
Can't wait till they license this sport like jetski's, then I'll become an instructor n fail everyone so they gotta get more lesson from me hahaha
I would punch him in the throat. Simple!!
So cut the middleman and do the same to yourself.
Very clever Dave. However with an interaction between two parties there is no middle man. You would need three parties in an exchange to have a 'Middle Man'.
I'm gathering that you didn't finish High School? Or just too many drugs???
Idiot gives terrible advice --> noob middleman takes it --> Idiot's family gets injured on beach
Sorry if you couldn't follow that, it's fairly complicated I know.
Liza: Apologies that your thread ended up such a disaster zone thanks to Remo. Keeping the sport safe & spots accessible is very important to some of us, which is why the heated debate has happened.
Dave,
There is only two people in your scenario? Need at least three (3) for a middle man. Two of your parts involve an idiot (same person), the other is a noob. Did you get a happy ending with your lessons?
Liza, sorry about all of these guys bad language. Let your partner make up his mind on lessons. Buy him a DVD.
This post is a sad indictment on the quality of person that kiting attracts.
Arguments from all parties are ill considered and poorly articulated.
Please allow me to summarise for you all.
Kiting is inherently dangerous to both participants and bystanders.
Despite the dangers kiting is exhilarating and attractive to a certain segment of the population.
To protect the kiting populations and the general public certain steps should be taken. I have detailed these below.
1. Education and training (lessons)
2. Regulation
3. Registration
4. Licensing
I am happy to undertake the neccesary steps to commence the process required to get the regulatory systems in place.
I have been successful in undertaking this type of activity in the past.
Im sure all the individuals who have been participating in this thread advocating for lessons will be in agreement with my view above. If we get the necessary regulations in place we will be ensuring the success and longevity of the sport we love.
Kitepro, I like your idea of a licence. It should come with an annual fee of at least $1000 to keep some of the numbers off the water. I would be all for it!!!
Ensure they will wear a compulsory pink fluro safety vest, helmet, waterproof insurance tag and that there are full time inspectors in uniform ensuring the poor quality kitesurfing people can be "weeded" out of the sport by way of regulation and fines.. as a rule of thumb generally no kiting for anyone under 45 years old. There should be daily meetings of some kind I would think. The committee should be made up of semi retired kiters with a proven track record of 4 foot+ poo stance jumps and at least 4 weeks riding experience (preferably ex pilots). References showing experience in the areas of banning / regulating things such as general fun for others /ball games in parks due to the inherent dangers will be a great help.
LEIs are too hard at the edges if they hit you in the eyeball so I propose an import ban on them, foil kites only.
Hi Liza
My best advice lookinng back is to get as many lessons as possible for good progression. Kite surfing like other sports has inherent risk
Kitethrills are a good reputable Kite shop with excellent instructors (kitethrills.com 54388118)
I would highly reccomend them, I have had lessons from Mike and also have bought my own family gift vouchers as i was impressed with their
approach to teaching and the sport
Cheers
PS. your partner will be addicted to the most amazing sport
Select to expand quoteremo81 said..suniboy21 said..iandvnt said..
I c a big difference between motorcross accidents and kiting. ? few fatalities from fmx last few years, loads from kiting... none from the freestyle kiting side of things. Kiting has to deal with the random factors of wind /waves.. the ramp/ course does not change shape.. the throttle does not get stuck anything like as much as kiters ****** up pulling bar wrong. A motorcross bike tends not to launch the rider 60ft downwind 15 foot in air cos u steered it the wrong way while not even moving along. Lessons r good from decent instructor, so is learning from anything else possible .. others experiences.. whatever. Kitemares... youtube.. books...forums.. 15 knots max .. 100m of flat buffer zone downwind eg soft sand.. no one else around.. right equipment.. right person helping u.. good start..
Not to mention the fact that you don't see someone's husband down at the race track with a new bike and never ridden it before and expecting to ride it around the track.
People you see at race tracks generally have been bought up riding small bikes at a very early age and have had extensive training from others.
REMO81 So saying you don't need lessons, im assuming you are saying that learning to drive a car or a motorbike and having to pass a test is completely unnecessary.
REMO81 learning to be Educated... over rated too? obviously you didn't receive any of that?!
Is there a test or even a licence for Kiting? If not then why would you compare it to a car or motorcycle licence? Lack of education perhaps???
You obviously haven't been to a motocross track, ever. I know that things are a bit different in Vic with the lack of tracks and the massive numbers turning up to practice days. I have seen plenty of broken bones in my time. None from people Kiting. There was a guy that cut his foot at Wello that other week...
Thank you Remo you have certainly enlivened the discussion about getting lessons for kiting. I respectfully observe your right to your opinions.
What is evident for the newbie reading this thread is that there are about two people who think getting lessons is a waste of money and the rest think you should definitely get some lessons.
Ross you seem to get how these threads work. Good to see. I thought that everyone is able to have their say, but according to many of these individuals you are some sort of rude name if you think differently from the regulars on SB.
Thank you for your observation.
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Ross you seem to get how these threads work. Good to see. I thought that everyone is able to have their say, but according to many of these individuals you are some sort of rude name if you think differently from the regulars on SB.
Thank you for your observation.
You should not be allowed a say Remo. You are a liability to the sport. You should stick to something you know, like netball or knitting.
Remo f..off back to the poley forum , your smart ass bullcrap coments are not welcome here .
A guy died 12 months ago at Redcliffe trying to teach himself how to kite , don't be stupid get at least 1 lesson , some people only need 1 , some people need 6 .
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Remo f..off back to the poley forum , your smart ass bullcrap coments are not welcome here .
A guy died 12 months ago at Redcliffe trying to teach himself how to kite , don't be stupid get at least 1 lesson , some people only need 1 , some people need 6 .
Whats with all the BUTTHURT????
Natural selection takes care of things when people are STUPID.
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Remo f..off back to the poley forum , your smart ass bullcrap coments are not welcome here .
A guy died 12 months ago at Redcliffe trying to teach himself how to kite , don't be stupid get at least 1 lesson , some people only need 1 , some people need 6 .
Whats with all the BUTTHURT????
Natural selection takes care of things when people are STUPID.
Not the smartest or most compassionate thing I've ever read on here ...but hey it's the socity we live in at the moment , the U Jack socity .......f you Jack I'm right f ...everyone else.
it's obvious just reading remos profile he's a sh1t stirring poley ,,,,,but we are talking serious stuff here , no matter what people say , this sport has the definate potential to be deadly , If you think thats funny , or telling beginners is not necessary to have lessons is funny ,,,you need a uppercut
I'm with remo, kiting is easy, self taught is how I did it. Had a go at poling but was too hard.
Liza,
Like a few people i have been watching this post for some time now , like a lot of post on this forum it has been hijacked by self confessed idiots
I have been kiting for 12 years , had one lesson when the type of kites then would take you for a quick ride and broken ribs if you stuffed up , different people believe they know it all , better to play it say both phsically and insurance wise and go with a good school ,many on the coast.
Having just returned back to Qld 12 nonths ago after 20 years in Wa i have started surfing again , and its refreshing to go on to the surfers forum and see none of the crap seen here , i love kitesurfing and have been doing it probably longer than most , dosent mean im better or know more , part of enjoying this sport is the freedom that it gives on the water , the idiots that seem to think that there way is the only way will have there day .
Liza get a lesson booked and have fun , take the advice of the forum , ignore the suggestions from idiots and go with the positive , great sport and im sure your partner will thank you for getting him into it.
