Select to expand quoteRayQ said..eppo said..
Look ok I don't really care because I stopped kiting pinnaroo 12 yrs ago but I'm taking some offence to your attitude Ray.
So why do you take offence if you dont realy care, or are you just bored and want to share some of your usual divel.
Now you can be offended Eppo mate
Darren has just navigated around the point Im making just bla bla Im the good guy and just shut up buy my stuff
I'm not offended as you may have an arguable point about my care factor ?? And drivel..?? But I must say I've known Darren since the early days, he's always been exceptionally gracious to me and has given/ sacrificed more than most, business and personal wise to this sport, so I suppose my point of view is also biased (As all of ours is). You are just one man, teaching a mate and providiing a very limited argument At that.
But it seems you have made up yr mind as to what happened and why. All I read is some very detailed descriptions from not only the history but what actually happened with your mate on the day. Yet your detail is very limited, almost to the point of being juvenile in nature, which again supports my theory that you have an axe to grind with no real purpose of solving the issue.
Must admit an alternative to the flags could maybe be explored and at least something positive comes out of this.
Ps I don't buy my gear of Darren...but I would if I lived closer.
Mates teaching mates. So many face palm moments!
Haven't really seen much good come out of them other than saving a few dollars at the expense of other beach users.
If you must teach a mate. Do it on a beach well away from anyone else. I still don't understand why everyone seems to do it on the most popular beaches. There's so many empty ones with the same conditions. Use some common sense.
Teaching mates on popular beaches should be frowned apon by the wider kiting community and locals really need group together and drop the contemporary ultra PC/do nothing/don't get involved attitude for the old school way of kicking douche bags off the beach. Not just mates teaching mates but anyone causing issues on the water or any disrespect of locals trying to keep some order.
Learners at busy flat water freestyle spots really need to pay their dues out in the chop (or somewhere else) until they can kite without continually getting in everyone's way.
If you must learn at busy freestyle spots. Do your utmost to be aware of where the more advanced guys are doing their tricks and keep well away from these areas. The pattern of riding or these zones are easily identified if you just take some time to observe. Continuous body dragging, kites at 12 and walking upwind in these zones is simply being selfish and stopping others from getting their fix. Back when I learned, me and my mates wouldn't even consider going anywhere near where the good freestyle guys rode. We went well away to empty beaches or space where we could flounder around without affecting anyone else. Nowadays every kook wants to kite amongst everyone, at the busiest spot, right on the trick spots. It's fkn crazy.
Locals have become overly tolerant of BS behavior at their own expense. There hasn't been any lines cut for a long time. Time to bring them back and stop the rot!
Select to expand quotetouch107fm said..
I was down kiting at pinaroo when this all went down.
A mate of mine who is thinking about getting into kiting was down at the beach. Guy in red and white kite whose kites was totally under-inflated nearly took me out when I went to shore, followed later by dude in green / blue kite nearly taking out Christian and student when he took off from beach (kite went awol). Once it happened Christian went app **** which was totally understandable, a few day previous to this I saw Christan and a student again getting a kite swiped by another learner (dangerous job being a teacher - guys need danger money)
It was a very strange session down there, told my mate its not normally like this.
I'm truly starting to wonder if these are completely seperate events.
-3 different kite colours
-some people say he was self rescuing
-some say he was doing a tethered launch on a crowded beach.
Story needs a dragon!!
Sounds like there not been a lot of love down at Pinnas this season.
I think you all deserve a big hug from James's new friends.
I hear Mr. NoBS is taking leave of absense and is on vacation. Well that's what I hear anyways.
Now a mate told me that the shiz is going down in this topic so I thought I would hop on over and suss things out..
RayQ.. Why the butthurt so bad on AKS... ? It appears that there is some deep seated hostility and anger forthcoming in your correspondence. Ladies week perhaps?
Are you getting him (your student mate) to blow his kite up with his mouth???? as these days pumps have gauges and can easily reach the correct pressure even if you are mildly mentally challenged and additionally blind in one eye. This would be a cause for floppy kite syndrome.. This is a rookie error and should be taught in Kiting 101 lesson 1 in first 10mins..
Not having a go or anything..... but maybe a calmer and more reasoned approach may have worked?
Calling Mr.Soft Serve...
Mr.Soft Serve.. Please give RayQ a double choc dip with hundreds and thousands pls.. He needs to CHILL OUT!
Hard to compete with the level of sophistication of RPM and his posts. I was not there so I can't really judge. But let me just say that I understand where Ray is coming from. I used to kite at Pinnas as well but only until I realised that chop is more annoying than crap waves, and will never be as good as a proper flatwater spot and is full of kooks, yes ok, friendly kooks. Christian seems an ok enough guy but I can confirm he can behave a little like the beach police. But that is another topic. What I actually wanted to say is it is absolute horse **** that only certified instructors have the ability to teach kiting. What a pile of crap. What you need is a decent level of intelligence, the ability to communicate and teach in general, observe, correct, explain, and be an ok kiter with some decent experience kiting in various conditions, locations, winds, styles etc.
Business is business and this has some influence as well but this is quite obvious and I am not getting into this discussion.
What you guys probably really mean is that the beach is a safer place if teaching is predominantly done by certified instructors. I agree. And that as you are aware there is only a small percentage of capable folks who would be and are able to teach at a similar high quality level as one would expect from a professional instructor (but not always gets).
I have seen a lot of really ****ty instructors over the years. So please don't generalise.
Lastly, I am happy to hear that theWalks is now respected and liked by the Mullaz locals. I know Rob has always been... different topic again.
Select to expand quoteRads said...
There hasn't been any lines cut for a long time.
The mythical line cutting days. I heard this used to happen down at the pond, Safety Bay when the Rocko Boys used to regulate blow-ins with an iron fist.
All soft-serve locals down there now. The blow-ins, encouraged by commercial interests own the pond now haha. If only those old Rocko boys could see the place.
That being said. I would love to see someone have the balls to cut some kook's lines.
Unfortunately it is not just blow ins. A lot of annoying drive ins as well, kooks and pro wannabies. Any consultation regarding how to claim the spot back without being locked up is welcome 
Select to expand quoteGustyas said...
Unfortunately it is not just blow ins. A lot of annoying drive ins as well, kooks and pro wannabies. Any consultation regarding how to claim the spot back without being locked up is welcome
You just need numbers.
When you've toughened up and a pest is identified. Someone with some balls confronts the pest and tells them to shape up or ship out. Any back talk from the kook is met with back up from the local heavy hitters and a show of numbers. The message will be loud and clear. North Shore, Hawaii style 
Ray's post really didn't go the way he had hoped.
Great posts from the instructors and school though. Well done guys!
Why wasn't this sorted out at the beach? Why the need to attempt to slag someone/business on a forum?
Can't say I'm mates with any of the pinnas crew or the shop for that matter, but I have spent a fair amount of time down there over the years.
The school hasn't really ever made any money out of me but I've found them always to be friendly and helpful, never once felt like they thought they owned the beach.
Matter a fact Darren personally dragged me in once when i popped a valve and my kite deflated and never once asked for a red cent.
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Matter a fact Darren personally dragged me in once when i popped a valve
Hmmmmm, interesting comment in light of the dunny fiasco that's occurring at Pinnas.
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said...
-3 different kite colours
-some people say he was self rescuing
-some say he was doing a tethered launch on a crowded beach.
Story needs a dragon!!
Nah, sorry, I wasn't there.
Glad to say, it's not my usual hang out.
Probably a few prairie dogs down there too tho.
