Forums > Kitesurfing General

Kite Pricing

Reply
Created by Big eeeZeee > 9 months ago, 17 Jul 2015
kernal
WA, 541 posts
24 Jul 2015 12:36PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
craggers said..
Same price. Just the value of your exchangable local peanuts has crashed.


bloody crack up craig

skywalker3d
VIC, 228 posts
24 Jul 2015 2:53PM
Thumbs Up

Friend of mine use to spend 15k a year on model airplanes and competing. Kiting still cheaper.

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
24 Jul 2015 2:58PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
kemp90 said..
Racing dirt bikes. $12000 for the bike + extra $ on upgrades. Then to top it off, the top end should be rebuilt every 10 hours with an oil change every 4 hours. That's expensive


Thankfully this is my wife's hobby ...... lol
Select to expand quote
shano82 said..

MDSXR6T said..
You don't have to spend 2.5k though. Who says you need the latest gear to learn on?

A beginner can easily get a 2nd hand setup for $800. New gear is expensive but 2nd hand kites that are a couple of years old are worth SFA. Even less for one with professional repairs. Add some lessons for $300-$500 and it starts getting more affordable for the younger crowd.



I got into this sport for under 1k last summer - bought a 2nd-hand kite/TT board/harness setup for $700, spent $300 on lessons, got to the point where I was up and riding.

I then got some good advice off my instructor regarding upgrading my kite, traded in the 2010 BWS I started with for a 9m 2012 Crossbow (couple of prof. repairs) for $350 cash difference. That got me to the point where I was consistently riding upwind, and starting to get the hang of toeside on my preferred side when summer ended.

So technically that's 1350 for the summer - I was getting out 2-3 times a week for most of that.

Have just purchased a Slingshot Celeritas and a 7m 2013 Fuse for a combined total of $1100, as I'm keen to focus on waves (all of my kiting is in the ocean). Will probably go back for a lesson on boosting early this summer, just figure boosting (well, landing) is how I'm most likely to injure myself.

So that's a 7m/9m quiver, TT board, directional board, and lessons, for 2500ish over two summers. While not new, the kites are still recent, with all the advantages of modern depower/safety.

So it can be done!


How much do you weigh?

kemp90
QLD, 1694 posts
24 Jul 2015 3:10PM
Thumbs Up

Unfortunately the big problem is this is a c kite we are all talking about. I bought new 2015 razors last year, around the $2000 mark each. I sold them 9 months layer for $800 each. That's the biggest kick in the teeth. No1 want's a second hand c kite

s_h_a_n_o
WA, 88 posts
24 Jul 2015 1:15PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
bigtone667 said..


shano82 said..



I got into this sport for under 1k last summer - bought a 2nd-hand kite/TT board/harness setup for $700, spent $300 on lessons, got to the point where I was up and riding.

...

So that's a 7m/9m quiver, TT board, directional board, and lessons, for 2500ish over two summers. While not new, the kites are still recent, with all the advantages of modern depower/safety.

So it can be done!




How much do you weigh?



I'm 72kg, in Perth - our sea breeze is anywhere from 15-30knots. Found myself feeling overpowered on the 9m from about 22 knots, given I'm still a relative beginner :)

Keaw Yed.
WA, 201 posts
24 Jul 2015 2:04PM
Thumbs Up

The pricing is relative to what you can afford and / or what you can justify spending.

I have always compared the price of kiting to golf (which I do not do).
I suspect a good set of clubs will set you back a similar price to a good kite set up.
However when I kite I do not need to pay any more, if golfing you would have to pay for your round, so you have an ongoing cost.

With regards to buying kites - I have always purchased second hand kites from a retailer. (New board & harness)

Now the retailer may not (or may have) made as much out of me as a guy buying new kites but I have been a repeat customer. (Four kites now)
And if I need another kite / board etc they will be my first port of call.
I may have been able to purchase the kites a little cheaper direct from another kiter but I do not mind paying a little extra as I know if I have an issue the retailer will look after me.

So entry in to kiting can be a little expensive initially but the on going costs are quite low.
Also you can either sell your exisiting gear to trade up or just trade it in so the cost of your next kite can actually be quite low.

Buying new is an expensive option but if you have the money why not.

KiteDesigner
NSW, 169 posts
24 Jul 2015 4:06PM
Thumbs Up

Kite Pricing is interesting, I need at least 3 kites to cover the 10 to 40 knot wind ranges. The thought of having to pay $7000 to $8000 for 3 kites and 2 bars plus a few extra thousand for boards and harness in not good.

I can get a kite made for about $300 from the same factory that makes about 30+ other brands that retail from cheep to the so called A $2500 brands.

The funny thing is if you sell a kite from that same factory for $2500 you have the locals saying thats a great quality kite because it costs $2500, the money you make can go to advertising and team riders and help promote and sell kites for the shops. If you sell that same kite for $900, you end up with shops and team riders bashing the kite saying they are cheep and bad quality and defending the higher priced kites because they must be better because they cost more and general hindering the promotion and sales of a lower priced kite. Not all high priced kites are great, and not all lower priced kites are not great.

Buying online is cheaper, to import kites the shipping and import duties are insane, its much cheaper to post a kite from overseas direct with under a 1000 value this avoids 10% gst, + import duties + government charge, clearance charges and + another 10% on resale.

I have great respect to the shop owners, I don't see them retiring early, they help promote the sport and need a large profit to cover the costs of rent wages etc. Some A brands need to be ordered 3 months in advance and often they are stuck with left over kites that they cant sell for $400 once they are a few seasons old.



bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
24 Jul 2015 4:08PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
shano82 said..

bigtone667 said..



shano82 said..



I got into this sport for under 1k last summer - bought a 2nd-hand kite/TT board/harness setup for $700, spent $300 on lessons, got to the point where I was up and riding.

...

So that's a 7m/9m quiver, TT board, directional board, and lessons, for 2500ish over two summers. While not new, the kites are still recent, with all the advantages of modern depower/safety.

So it can be done!





How much do you weigh?




I'm 72kg, in Perth - our sea breeze is anywhere from 15-30knots. Found myself feeling overpowered on the 9m from about 22 knots, given I'm still a relative beginner :)


Sadly for me @ 100kg, everything ends up costing a lot more ..... bigger boards, bigger kites. My normal flying kite is a 14m and our wind range is probably closer to 10 to 25......

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
24 Jul 2015 2:22PM
Thumbs Up

I'm 125kgs and i still got my first board / harness and kite for about $1000.

I sold a 12m core kite only for $100 and a 17m griffin for $450 so you can definitely find bigger kites for good value.

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
24 Jul 2015 5:09PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
MDSXR6T said..
I'm 125kgs and i still got my first board / harness and kite for about $1000.

I sold a 12m core kite only for $100 and a 17m griffin for $450 so you can definitely find bigger kites for good value.


I stopped buying new after my first year, except for the Griffin Kites, which where competitively priced against good second hand stuff.

But my point was Shano82 can get away with 2 kites for his desired wind range and I need about four.

JacobMatan
WA, 431 posts
24 Jul 2015 3:24PM
Thumbs Up

I agree I originally got in with 2 kites and a twin tip for about $1200, with that I could kite in everything from 15-35 knots, the amount of use I got out of the gear and the amount of enjoent was pretty much priceless

The super high top end prices only really effect the people who "need" the latest greatest gear and the people who sell that gear.

I would like 3 or 4 new kites, a new twin tip, new surfboard and a foil board but oh my god I can't afford it !!! Not exactly impoverished

Kiwiburger
NSW, 33 posts
24 Jul 2015 5:32PM
Thumbs Up

I also ride Griffin kites, I tried a few different kites but I couldn't really tell the difference when I was riding so I couldn't really afford/ justify buying a A-list brand kite. I've been told by some people that I'm not going to improve unless I get on a "blah-blah" kite... which is a load of bullpoo. Time on the water with mates is what drives improvement.
Ride it till it dies!

Plummet
4862 posts
24 Jul 2015 6:48PM
Thumbs Up

My advice. By 5 kites. Then the last so Damn long it will be years before you need to replace them.

JOYRIDER
705 posts
24 Jul 2015 7:23PM
Thumbs Up

How many people, commenting and whinging about the cost of kites, actually know what they are talking about??If your happy getting paid to much to do whatever you do, then deal with paying $2500+ for a 2016 kite setup.
Don't want to pay that much then don't.
I'm sick of hearing all the BS about pricing, when people don't know how the Australian retail system works.

Peahi
VIC, 1481 posts
24 Jul 2015 9:27PM
Thumbs Up

I have a problem which I would like to share. I cannot help buying perfectly good second hand kites 1-2 years old, for less than half their new price, often hardly used especially at the end of summer or middle of winter or when no-one is buying kites and newbies who never got it decided to drop out. Its more fun than buying brand new, (mind you I would not know what that is like). I have 6 kites and 5 bars 2012-2014 models in total cost me less than $5000. They are all excellent kites.

I have never bought a kite brand new. Taking a kite out of its wrapper is like taking $500 or 20% off the value, bit like driving a new car out of a dealership.

My suspicion is that kite prices are going up to force the market to follow, I am not saying manufacturers/distributors are colluding, but they often follow each other (bit like petrol prices). Price increase is probably a result of a sector that has stopped growing and if that is the reason (its not technological advancement or the dollar really) then this will become a self-fulfilling prophecy as newbies decide its too expensive to start.

Vote with your wallet. Wait 6-12 months for the latest kite. Simple as that.

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
24 Jul 2015 9:32PM
Thumbs Up

If you pay RRP you’re a Wood Duck… Don’t know what a wood duck is?? Well I didn’t either before I spoke to a car dealer a few months ago and that’s basically their slang for a sucker.

http://www.slang-dictionary.org/Wood_duck

If you walk into a shop and expect them to give you a good deal without respectfully negotiating, well you’re dreaming. I’ve never found it to hard to get a deal and walk out of the shop with everyone content. I’m not saying I understand how kite prices can be justified but “it is what it is” and the best you can do is, not be a Wood Duck.

rollo19
WA, 93 posts
24 Jul 2015 8:58PM
Thumbs Up

should it be cheaper to buy in Bali without all the taxes?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
24 Jul 2015 9:07PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
JOYRIDER said...
How many people, commenting and whinging about the cost of kites, actually know what they are talking about??If your happy getting paid to much to do whatever you do, then deal with paying $2500+ for a 2016 kite setup.
Don't want to pay that much then don't.
I'm sick of hearing all the BS about pricing, when people don't know how the Australian retail system works.


Well fill the general public in with your retail knowledge

jamesperth
WA, 611 posts
24 Jul 2015 9:38PM
Thumbs Up

Kiting = cheapest sailing you'll ever do.

Want to put the cost of new kites into perspective ? Buy a boat.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
24 Jul 2015 10:19PM
Thumbs Up

as ive mentioned before, ive 2 mates who own kite shops, one here and one in the uk, I know how they trade, the one here has more middle men and costs inflicted on his products than my mate in the uk, his brand importer / distributor is making more per kite than he can through the shop, approx. 30 to 40%, ditch this guy and you've an instant saving, my mate in the uk goes direct and refuses to go through a distributor as it affects cost warranty issues, order delays, I personally know some distributors here give preference to certain shops, so you local shops affected which causes his customers to deal with another shop in their heist for the latest gear( hardly fair) also shops that have been loyal to a certain brand for years and promoted and pushed the brand have seen the distributor splashing better deals to new shops and competators in their region, my mate in the uk can sell vat free which is 20% and have it on your door step quicker than if ordered it from say perth, plus shippings free, again hardly fair , the is some money to be made and saved and imho the distributor has to go, once bitten twice shy, a good product delivered at a reasonable price = happy customer= repeat customer= longevity of shop

Peahi
VIC, 1481 posts
25 Jul 2015 9:09AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
JOYRIDER said..

I'm sick of hearing all the BS about pricing, when people don't know how the Australian retail system works.



how many burgers do you need to flip to buy a new kite?

rollo19
WA, 93 posts
25 Jul 2015 11:27AM
Thumbs Up

Yeah these days what role does a distributor play other than adding margin? kites weigh nothing (even with bull**** airline volumetric conversion), it's not like you need to ship stock in a container, land it, clear customs then send on to the retailer cost plus

if I was in retail I would be looking for the brands to send me demo stock, taking punters money in advance and freighting them in as required. Removes the holding cost, customer gets local expert advice and support/parts, manufacturer does not have to sell to the general public

With that sort of model you could conceivably retail for under $1,000.. but if the desperate tax man drops that limit to $20 then we will get shafted for customs handling fees on everything!

Surf boards are different I guess.. Container

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
25 Jul 2015 1:53PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
rollo19 said...
Yeah these days what role does a distributor play other than adding margin?


Do you think any of the bigger (better?) manufactures would realistically bother posting half a dozen kites to a kite shop in little old Perth? Probably not so a distributor is usually needed to bring volume into the country.

Distributor might be under pressure from increased costs (shipping, exchange rate, rent, wages, businesses oweing money after closing down etc) so they add a few more % to the stock and then the retailer facing similiar issues cant afford to wear that increase. We then either have to fork out or buy online (OS or the switch model). Both have a couple of advantages and 1 major long term disadvantage each

I'd bet a carton that a kite shop owner would work less, kite more and earn more working 8/6 FIFO.

hornedsquirrel
SA, 52 posts
26 Jul 2015 8:08AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Loftywinds said..

hornedsquirrel said..
At the end of the day the kites cost, what they cost. Take it or leave it.



Fine for a well off client like you to say that. But when retailers put 20,30 or even 70% mark up! Come on.


I make 7,50 Euro/hour which is about 12 AUD..

Like so many others have already said in this thread. Look for good second hand. There are always beginners that buy kites and then realise after 10 times that this is not their sport. Can get those kite for 1/3 of what they payed

IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
26 Jul 2015 9:40AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
MDSXR6T said..

rollo19 said...
Yeah these days what role does a distributor play other than adding margin?



Do you think any of the bigger (better?) manufactures would realistically bother posting half a dozen kites to a kite shop in little old Perth? Probably not so a distributor is usually needed to bring volume into the country.

Distributor might be under pressure from increased costs (shipping, exchange rate, rent, wages, businesses oweing money after closing down etc) so they add a few more % to the stock and then the retailer facing similiar issues cant afford to wear that increase. We then either have to fork out or buy online (OS or the switch model). Both have a couple of advantages and 1 major long term disadvantage each

I'd bet a carton that a kite shop owner would work less, kite more and earn more working 8/6 FIFO.



I think you might be surprised that quite a few manufactures gone to similar business model to bypass a distributor and have a brand manager that takes virtually no financial risk.
Ozone with their retailer ordering website that allows the retailer to order direct fom the factory up to 4 times a year I believe
Cabrinha have similar model where the each shop is their own importer.
I think Best is similar
Airush is one of the few that have a Australian distributer

Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
26 Jul 2015 1:06PM
Thumbs Up

Distributor is stupid. They won't even tell you what kites they have in Stock. Need to go between kite shop just to find out what's in Stock. A lot of pointless messaging around especially when they bring **** all kites into the country

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
26 Jul 2015 3:56PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
MDSXR6T said...
rollo19 said...
Yeah these days what role does a distributor play other than adding margin?


Do you think any of the bigger (better?) manufactures would realistically bother posting half a dozen kites to a kite shop in little old Perth? Probably not so a distributor is usually needed to bring volume into the country.

Distributor might be under pressure from increased costs (shipping, exchange rate, rent, wages, businesses oweing money after closing down etc) so they add a few more % to the stock and then the retailer facing similiar issues cant afford to wear that increase. We then either have to fork out or buy online (OS or the switch model). Both have a couple of advantages and 1 major long term disadvantage each

I'd bet a carton that a kite shop owner would work less, kite more and earn more working 8/6 FIFO.




Actually some will, and I'd bet 2 cartons most people not in the mining game would work less kite more and earn more working a 8/6 FIFO role

Chris_M
2132 posts
26 Jul 2015 4:03PM
Thumbs Up

I know many people seem to be a but dubious about Switch, but their business model seems to deliver pretty dang cheap kites to people.......


Seeing quite a few of them around these days

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
26 Jul 2015 6:56PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Chris_M said..
I know many people seem to be a but dubious about Switch, but their business model seems to deliver pretty dang cheap kites to people.......


Seeing quite a few of them around these days


If you had asked me about Switch prior to the discussion in this thread my answer would have been a definite NO, but if the price rises go up by the amounts you’re talking about I will consider them next purchase.

Same old story, if the main stream brands loose enough sales they’ll quickly change their strategy.

Plummet
4862 posts
26 Jul 2015 4:58PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Chris_M said...
I know many people seem to be a but dubious about Switch, but their business model seems to deliver pretty dang cheap kites to people.......


Seeing quite a few of them around these days


It's opposite here. There were a few when switch first came out. Now they are all but gone. There might be one couple that have one or 2 kites. The rest are gone. Maybe the first gen put a lot of the locals off?



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > Kitesurfing General


"Kite Pricing" started by Big eeeZeee