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Interesting, CR-X, One Design foil racing thingy!

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Created by Puetz > 9 months ago, 25 Aug 2016
Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
25 Aug 2016 8:57PM
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What is this world coming too!

Its a TT,,,,, no its a Foil,,,, no its a race board,,,,, nope, its both,,,,






harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
25 Aug 2016 10:30PM
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It's a good idea ( one design racing ) make it more accessible and a more level playing field where skill outweighs budget

daddycool
WA, 337 posts
26 Aug 2016 10:29AM
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Depends on price really

daddycool
WA, 337 posts
26 Aug 2016 10:31AM
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Depends on price really - early price indications are about the same as top end gear...

NathanG
NSW, 142 posts
26 Aug 2016 6:08PM
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I listened to the 43minute interview and am looking forward to hearing the USD global pricepoint in September. Two kites, TT and foil in an airline-friendly golf bag weighing <22kg...

I remember when red thumbs were all the rage:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Kiteracing/Accessable-kite-foil-racing/

Good luck Neil Pride team, you'll need it in OZ!

oceanpeak
VIC, 12 posts
26 Oct 2016 8:31AM
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I'm told that the CRX website, with plenty of info, will be launched at the end of the day today.

Here is the info about Sail Melbourne (PDF via Dropbox link). I hope to see a bunch of you there!

www.dropbox.com/s/6vqq494rfqp1s4d/CRX%20Sail%20Melbourne.pdf?dl=0

CR:X Exhibition Event at Sailing World Cup - Melbourne 2016

CR:X is the world’s first one-design kite racing class. The CR:X movement is all about being part of the racing action, improving skills and having fun on the water.

NeilPryde’s CR:X mission is to create a community of kite racing enthusiasts of all levels and abilities, and enable them to race on a level and affordable playing field.

The CR:X is a versatile kite racing platform that features a convertible board that can be switched between fin and foil modes. Multiple modes mean that the same set of hardware can be used for beginner racers and more advanced foil races as skills improve, as well as in a huge range of weather conditions.

Hudson



jamesperth
WA, 611 posts
27 Oct 2016 7:54PM
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Wow ! $5000 -$8000 for a foil and 1-3 kites ! Not such a low cost entry to racing ...

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
27 Oct 2016 11:24PM
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Their foils actually work now?

Plummet
4862 posts
29 Oct 2016 12:16AM
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Is it me, or is it a significant step back in technology?

It would be like the top racers going from formula one back to gokart speeds. From high tech carbon foil and ridiculously high aspect foil kites to mid aspect lei and alloy hf.

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
29 Oct 2016 7:35AM
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I want to know where I can get them green helmets from.

SibboV1
368 posts
29 Oct 2016 7:08AM
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I want to know where I can get them green helmets from.


And will they get the chicks?

bjw
QLD, 3686 posts
29 Oct 2016 10:07AM
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One design = You are only allowed to buy my brand

4XL
VIC, 222 posts
29 Oct 2016 12:13PM
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The idea is good. . . . But from previous experience I hope other manufactures try something similar so we don't get a concept like the rsx of windsurfing which again was neil pryde.. . . . Too heavy and expensive etc and not a good reflection of the sport. . . . . And look what's happened to that at the Olympic level

Plummet
4862 posts
29 Oct 2016 3:15PM
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Well they are obviously doing it to make money. Not to make hf racing more accessable.

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
30 Oct 2016 4:49PM
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I just can't help but think that there is nobody walking around thinking that they really, really want to go kite racing on a twin tip, and maybe even bolt a cheap foil on it, and be on the same gear as a bunch of other people and pay $5000-8000 (plus $250 registration fee) for the privilege.

I guess you might get enough people worldwide to make an Olympic racing class, but I can't see the general kite boarding public queuing up to pay their money.

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
31 Oct 2016 7:51AM
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$5-$8K is going to get you an upper level carbon racing foil and board plus two high end foil kites to start racing . What a****** ripjob.

in the words of a famous aussie





Milesp
NSW, 23 posts
31 Oct 2016 12:13PM
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I like the concept of a one board package that can be a TT and Foil. But it's not going to be as simple as swapping out the TT fins for the foil, or visa-versa. You will also need to reconfigure the the foot straps! That's a fair bit of messing around before getting onto the water.

Plummet
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31 Oct 2016 10:21AM
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Milesp said...
I like the concept of a one board package that can be a TT and Foil. But it's not going to be as simple as swapping out the TT fins for the foil, or visa-versa. You will also need to reconfigure the the foot straps! That's a fair bit of messing around before getting onto the water.


I'm doING that right now. As I have my foil mounted on the mutant.

It adds 5mins to set up and pack up.

Pretty cool for a one board to rule them all concept from stupid light wind to 50 bastards.

To be fair I'd prefer a dedicated board for hf. I'm also working on a strap scenario that will work for mutant and hf riding so all that's required is bolt hf on and go.

Ps leave the fins on.

jamesperth
WA, 611 posts
31 Oct 2016 5:37PM
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Plummet said.


I'm doING that right now. As I have my foil mounted on the mutant.



Plummet please tell me you didn't drill holes in your sweet hand made carbon mutant ???

Plummet
4862 posts
31 Oct 2016 6:21PM
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Plummet said.


I'm doING that right now. As I have my foil mounted on the mutant.




Plummet please tell me you didn't drill holes in your sweet hand made carbon mutant ???


Yep. I also slapped additional carbon reinforcement on there too. 2 years of hard use it's far from pristine.

But plans are afoot to build carbon mutant v2.

Katoe
NSW, 102 posts
1 Nov 2016 3:04PM
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Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
1 Nov 2016 10:55PM
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sir ROWDY said..
Their foils actually work now?


They work fine, just not that fast. Looks like different wings on that though. Be interesting to see how the price works out, but looks pricey :(

Plummet
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2 Nov 2016 4:04AM
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It does look like an interesting idea i must admit. However there is some challenges with TT and HF. In the sense that the TT is not rockered enough for a touch and go so nose diving would be an issue and hf needs a flex free platform that would make a standard rockered TT very harsh considering they usually rely of tip flex.

A mutantable version of the cabrinha double agent with higher nose rocker and the ability to TT it would be way better as a one board to rule them all set up. ....

Wait a minute. That's close to my set up.... hehehehe. The advantages of making **** yourself i guess.

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
2 Nov 2016 6:27AM
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Katoe said..


Wow it seems they 'all loved it'..

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
2 Nov 2016 1:02PM
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eppo said...
Katoe said..


Wow it seems they 'all loved it'..

Yeah the pauses after they were asked "how did your like it" while they remembered who was footing the bill

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
2 Nov 2016 1:26PM
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Katoe said..


It does look like an interesting idea i must admit. However there is some challenges with TT and HF. In the sense that the TT is not rockered enough for a touch and go so nose diving would be an issue and hf needs a flex free platform that would make a standard rockered TT very harsh considering they usually rely of tip flex.

A mutantable version of the cabrinha double agent with higher nose rocker and the ability to TT it would be way better as a one board to rule them all set up. ....

Wait a minute. That's close to my set up.... hehehehe. The advantages of making **** yourself i guess.

The more controlled your "touch and go" is, the less relevant nose or any rocker is.

Did you watch the video? They're doing boarder cross too. A mutant DA would be pointless; the shape is all wrong, it's designed to double as a surfboard so you may as well start with a clean slate.

Plummet
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2 Nov 2016 11:51AM
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Kamikuza said..

Plummet said...

Katoe said..



It does look like an interesting idea i must admit. However there is some challenges with TT and HF. In the sense that the TT is not rockered enough for a touch and go so nose diving would be an issue and hf needs a flex free platform that would make a standard rockered TT very harsh considering they usually rely of tip flex.

A mutantable version of the cabrinha double agent with higher nose rocker and the ability to TT it would be way better as a one board to rule them all set up. ....

Wait a minute. That's close to my set up.... hehehehe. The advantages of making **** yourself i guess.


The more controlled your "touch and go" is, the less relevant nose or any rocker is.

Did you watch the video? They're doing boarder cross too. A mutant DA would be pointless; the shape is all wrong, it's designed to double as a surfboard so you may as well start with a clean slate.


I'll take you on, on my mutant, any day with boarder cross. The shape is not wrong at all.

I agree limited nose rocker for experience hf pilots is true. But if you can have a board with nose rocker that also can ride waves and also can be used as a TT and a HF. That board is way, way better than a TT that is bad at several of those things.... Hell a super stiff TT will be bellow average at being a TT...

My call still remains. The mutantable Double agent HF would be a better solution for this multi use board. You could even add surf fins and do ****ty surf comps too.


Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
2 Nov 2016 6:34PM
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What's all that jibber-jabber?
They're not riding or using Double Agents. They're riding CR-X boards or whatever they're called.
Nobody is riding waves on them. Nobody wants to ride waves on them. Nobody is doing anything in the CR-X comp class except foiling and boarder cross. Nobody cares about mutants.

If you need a super stiff TT to foil and it makes a crap TT, is it any surprise that there are no TT/foil boards?

Have you even seen a DA? Making it a mutant would be doubly pointless.

hornedsquirrel
SA, 52 posts
3 Nov 2016 3:27AM
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I dont get it.. What makes this superior to other hydrafoil boards? Isnt it more logical to have a crossover wave/hydraboard. Also, arent foil kites much better for racing?

Plummet
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3 Nov 2016 1:27AM
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I dont get it.. What makes this superior to other hydrafoil boards? Isnt it more logical to have a crossover wave/hydraboard. Also, arent foil kites much better for racing?


Its not superior. Its inferior. Foil kites and dedicated foil boards are much better for racing. But Cabrinha don't have a competitive foil kite or hydrafoil. They are missing out on the a market. This is their idea to capture the market. I'm guessing they are hoping or lobbying for the kiting at the Olympics and this one kite, hf to be adopted as the standard. If that happens it will be one big massive cash cow.

hornedsquirrel
SA, 52 posts
3 Nov 2016 6:20AM
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Plummet said..

hornedsquirrel said..
I dont get it.. What makes this superior to other hydrafoil boards? Isnt it more logical to have a crossover wave/hydraboard. Also, arent foil kites much better for racing?



Its not superior. Its inferior. Foil kites and dedicated foil boards are much better for racing. But Cabrinha don't have a competitive foil kite or hydrafoil. They are missing out on the a market. This is their idea to capture the market. I'm guessing they are hoping or lobbying for the kiting at the Olympics and this one kite, hf to be adopted as the standard. If that happens it will be one big massive cash cow.


mmmmmmm, thats really retarded. Should we boycot cabrinha?



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