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GPS watch? WANT

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Created by kiterkook > 9 months ago, 1 Jul 2014
MrMik
1 posts
30 Dec 2014 2:01PM
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HighzaKite said..

last comment I promise: also check out the sites of Garmin etc, you need to think about support, maintenance software upgrades, they hold all your data and will they be around in the long run? Not pimpin a product but I think Garmin are the market leader here (not sure about Suunto).



Using Magellan Switch and GoldenCheetah to record surfing:


I found a way to avoid having to upload your data to somewhere in the web before you can use it or see it.
More details here: community.magicseaweed.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=39619&p=435041

Peahi
VIC, 1481 posts
30 Dec 2014 5:29PM
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deanrobi said..

Drewm said..


Ricardo1709 said..
94 waves surfed but i don't see any whitewater??? something not right happening there




LOL! (that's what the kids say, right?)

It's not a live satellite feed, Ricardo. Satellite image could've been taken on a flat day.



this was just a test session on the kite and the watch is not suited for kiting as it gets confused by the constant speed etc, the wave count is based on the algorithym so I'm guessing each run towards the beach it counts as a wave.

Drew, good point. The spot in the photo does have small waves on the two points when the conditions are right, i was mainly mucking around at the point on the left hand side, then did a downwinder to the point on the left side and then tack back up wind


Nother point, not sure if it affects the Rip Curl watch (although I am sure it would): I went surfing and while waiting for a wave, sitting on board, hands on hips, but underwater my watch kept buzzing that it has lost satellite contact so I had to keep my left arm out of the water, although it seemed to reconnect reasonably quickly.

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
30 Dec 2014 9:55PM
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I’m still making my mind up but I walked into a sports store after X’mas that had the Suunto Ambit2 S and R on special which confused the hell out of me as I thought there was only one model of Ambit2 but looks like there are three. The shop had Suunto and a few other brands and I was impressed with the robust feel of it.

Found this link that might be of interest for those thinking of the Suunto. Even though it reviews the R it does compare the Ambit2 and Ambit2 S which are probably better suited to water sports. For those who want to compare other brands there’s an excellent link under the heading Product Comparison Charts called “Product Comparison Tool”.

Anyhow I’ll just sit on the fence a little longer...

www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/01/look-suuntos-ambit2r.html

Justhanging
WA, 64 posts
30 Dec 2014 9:01PM
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Take a look at the suunto website, ambit 3 is the latest model. Ambit 3 peak is the top of the range.

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
30 Dec 2014 11:21PM
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Justhanging said..
Take a look at the suunto website, ambit 3 is the latest model. Ambit 3 peak is the top of the range.



Yep awesome looking watch - they had one of those in stock as well. I think that's why the 2 is on special, superseded. By memory the 2 S&R was $399 and the 3 Peak was $650 but you can probably get them cheaper over the net... getting up there in price, not sure if I can justify it but hey you only live once .

WeirdEd
VIC, 268 posts
31 Dec 2014 9:36AM
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How are your watches coping with water? The Garmin and Suunto watches are all just IPX7/5ATM waterproof. That's nothing. IPX7 is 1m submerged for 30min. If you have a wipeout at speed the water pressure on the watch could be far higher. Even the Garmin website says so:
www.garmin.com/en-US/legal/waterrating/

IPX7 - Withstands incidental exposure to water of up to 1 meter for up to 30 minutes. Suitable for: Indoor/outdoor use in the presence of rain, snow or brief splashes of water. Unsuitable Activities: Any immersion of more than 1 meter, regardless of duration of immersion, or any immersion of more than 30 minutes, regardless of depth of immersion

5 ATM - Withstands pressures equivalent to a depth of 50 meters. Suitable for: Surface swimming, shallow snorkeling and similar activities. Unsuitable Activities: High speed watersport surface impact may exceed this rating (ex. wipeout during motorized water sports)

I don't know about you guys but I crash and when I crash the impact is typically a little more intense than "brief splashes of water".

I just lost my GPS and I am looking for a replacement but I am hesitant to throw 500$ at something that might fail very soon.

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
31 Dec 2014 10:57AM
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WeirdEd said..
How are your watches coping with water? The Garmin and Suunto watches are all just IPX7/5ATM waterproof. That's nothing. IPX7 is 1m submerged for 30min. If you have a wipeout at speed the water pressure on the watch could be far higher. Even the Garmin website says so:
www.garmin.com/en-US/legal/waterrating/

IPX7 - Withstands incidental exposure to water of up to 1 meter for up to 30 minutes. Suitable for: Indoor/outdoor use in the presence of rain, snow or brief splashes of water. Unsuitable Activities: Any immersion of more than 1 meter, regardless of duration of immersion, or any immersion of more than 30 minutes, regardless of depth of immersion

5 ATM - Withstands pressures equivalent to a depth of 50 meters. Suitable for: Surface swimming, shallow snorkeling and similar activities. Unsuitable Activities: High speed watersport surface impact may exceed this rating (ex. wipeout during motorized water sports)

I don't know about you guys but I crash and when I crash the impact is typically a little more intense than "brief splashes of water".

I just lost my GPS and I am looking for a replacement but I am hesitant to throw 500$ at something that might fail very soon.




Yeh good question... I just had a quick look and the Suunto 2&3 meet the ISO6425 standard of 100mts, Garmin Forerunner 220, 5ATM – 50mts, Ripcurl SearchGPS 100mts there’s also other specs that can be viewed if desired.

I personally can’t answer your question as I’d be assuming a lot, all I can say is; I have the RipCurl Ultimate watch and it’s had no leaks, a mate of mine has a Garmin and he haven’t had any water problems and I have done a fair amount of review reading and so far I haven’t read about any kite surfing water problems with this type of watch. Keep in mind the kite surfing reviews are limited.

On saying that, here lays the problem, there is no dedicated kite surfing watch (that I know of) so there is compromise with whatever is purchased especially with the shock resistance when we all come undone... that’s my uneducated watch thoughts...

EDIT: Just came to my attention that Suunto Ambit models come in both 100 and 50mt specs. Won't go into the details just letting you know to check first.

WeirdEd
VIC, 268 posts
31 Dec 2014 12:21PM
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Thanks windreams,

100m should be enough to cope with wipeouts, for some reason I though the Suuntos were only waterproof to 50m. The Garmin watches are only waterproof to 50m which is a joke for a watersport product like the Quatix.

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
31 Dec 2014 12:44PM
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WeirdEd said..
Thanks windreams,

100m should be enough to cope with wipeouts, for some reason I though the Suuntos were only waterproof to 50m. The Garmin watches are only waterproof to 50m which is a joke for a watersport product like the Quatix.


WeirdEd we’re both right or wrong... I had another look at the Suunto watches and some models are 50mts and others are 100mts. So double check the exact model before dishing out your $’s...

billykiter
WA, 303 posts
31 Dec 2014 10:58AM
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I've noticed these gps watches have a very short battery life compared to normal watches. Can these batteries be easily replaced yourself and not affect the waterproof rating if the watch? A rechargeable watch sounds like a great idea if it is possible?

thefacts
51 posts
31 Dec 2014 11:09AM
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Batteries cannot generally be replaced by the user as the watch will probably need to be pressure tested. Suunto suggest the battery should last the life of the unit.
Yes the watch is rechargeable - the watch comes with USB cable to recharge the battery or you can buy a separate AC charger.


Battery life also depends on how you use the watch, below is a difference between a Peak and Sport model using the same GPS functions:
"Battery life is approximately doubled on the Ambit 3 Peak (16/24/50hrs) over the Ambit 3 Sport (8/12/25hrs) based on a Best/Better/Good – 1/5/60 second GPS sample rate. - See more at: http://highlytunedathletes.com.au/blog/suunto-ambit-3-review-exclusive/#sthash.ifPpQcNb.dpuf"

jamesperth
WA, 611 posts
31 Dec 2014 2:33PM
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Anyone used the Garmin Fenix 2 ? The DC Rainmaker review seemed pretty positive. I'd like to hear any comments from any owners tho before spending that kind of money. I'm mostly interested in the navigation features for long downwinders to a specific campsite etc.

Adoy
NSW, 238 posts
31 Dec 2014 10:27PM
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JimJones said..

Anyone tried the Polar M400? More reasonable price range for me.


Im liking my M400 (thought the Ripcurl GPSsearch was a bit pricey) I use it for kiting as well, can measure heart rate, calories etc and you can get a wave count from the speed spikes.

Makes a presentation 'relive' of what you did check out this: flow.polar.com/

This is from a SUP surf session:

billykiter
WA, 303 posts
31 Dec 2014 11:28PM
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thefacts said...
Batteries cannot generally be replaced by the user as the watch will probably need to be pressure tested. Suunto suggest the battery should last the life of the unit.
Yes the watch is rechargeable - the watch comes with USB cable to recharge the battery or you can buy a separate AC charger.


Battery life also depends on how you use the watch, below is a difference between a Peak and Sport model using the same GPS functions:
"Battery life is approximately doubled on the Ambit 3 Peak (16/24/50hrs) over the Ambit 3 Sport (8/12/25hrs) based on a Best/Better/Good – 1/5/60 second GPS sample rate. - See more at: http://highlytunedathletes.com.au/blog/suunto-ambit-3-review-exclusive/#sthash.ifPpQcNb.dpuf"



Thanks for all the info

kiteburra
NSW, 18 posts
1 Jan 2015 9:09AM
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this is from my Polar M400. export tracklog in flow then upload to Doarama
ayvri.com/pages/doarama

VRBones
130 posts
1 Jan 2015 6:33AM
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Been looking for a camera with built in GPS, but eventually settled on a nike plus GPS watch on sale at Harvey Norman for $120 ( www.harveynorman.com.au/nike-sportwatch-gps-powered-by-tomtom-anthracite-blue.html ).

The watch is rated at 5 ATM and I've done a fair bit of "water shock testing" in the past 2 weeks without any dramas. It plugs into the PC using a USB connector built into the watch band. I'm highly skeptical that the connector is going to corrode or simply fail after being dunked in the sea daily as it regularly has water on the contacts. At least the contacts are exposed ("open" USB style) and can be wiped clean or scrubbed later on, and there is no possibility of water entry because it doesn't have removable seals to a micro USB port or the like. Definitely hanging onto the receipt for the 12 month warranty.

The watch can be set up to show top speed when out on the water, but it looks like it's averaging the last 20 seconds or so as you need a pretty long tack before it stabilizes onto your current speed. When uploading the data, it keeps wanting to show your pace (minutes per Km) rather than speed because it's designed mainly as a running watch. That said, it's giving me what I wanted: a GPS track of each kite session ( secure-nikeplus.nike.com/plus/activity/running/detail/4918000000005502458560007912319282520764?external_share_id=2ab45747-f407-45a7-be1e-adc8de218ddf )

scubaste
WA, 210 posts
2 Jan 2015 9:23AM
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Have a look at the TIMEX ironman range
had mine for over a year with no problems at all
has a cable to charge off your pc that connects to watch via surface contacts.
you down the info to training peaks.

http://www.timex.com.au/

CrashTestOZ
QLD, 76 posts
3 Jan 2015 11:34AM
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Anyone had a look at the upcoming FITBIT Surge?

Adoy
NSW, 238 posts
3 Jan 2015 12:50PM
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kiteburra said..
this is from my Polar M400. export tracklog in flow then upload to Doarama
ayvri.com/pages/doarama


Hi kiteburra,
I was trying to open your link but just gets stuck on 'Loading' for ages is there anything else I need to do?

Also tried some of my GPX files and does the same just 'Loading' or does it take a while?

Alysum
NSW, 1030 posts
11 Jan 2015 10:55PM
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I'm looking to get a GPS watch too for kitesurfing, paddling and sailing (Laser). I'd love a watch that shows the speed in real time and in knots (not kph).

Does anyone know if any of the Garmin or Suunto have that feature ?

Thanks !

windreams
QLD, 258 posts
22 Jan 2015 8:49PM
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Just found this Aussie site and looks like it has some pretty good GPS watch deals...

www.ryda.com.au/health-and-fitness/heart-rate-monitors

Brohan
VIC, 528 posts
22 Jan 2015 10:29PM
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I use a Garmin Fenix and I love it. It shows me the speed I'm going at in Kph (max i've gotten on a surfboard is 41Kph) and the can measure your heart rate and everything. You can also set up a profile for kiteboarding to display what you want like distance, time, speed and elevation etc. Garmin connect is pretty good also, allows you to view your gps data over google maps and you can store them all. The Gps is pretty accurate also, got my dad to tow me behind the car on a skateboard and the speed on my watch matched the speedo.

I looked to see if you can change the speed to knots, but it only have miles and Kph.



patto1987
NSW, 194 posts
22 Jan 2015 10:44PM
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Alysum said...
I'm looking to get a GPS watch too for kitesurfing, paddling and sailing (Laser). I'd love a watch that shows the speed in real time and in knots (not kph).

Does anyone know if any of the Garmin or Suunto have that feature ?

Thanks !



Check out the Garmin Quatix.. Specifically for sailing racing and I also use it for kitesurfing... I see lots of guys with them now not just hardcore racers... They are cheap at Whitworths..



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