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Electric Pumps?

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Created by scotteth > 9 months ago, 6 Apr 2015
scotteth
7 posts
6 Apr 2015 11:17AM
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Just wondering why more people don't use those electric pumps to inflate their kite. I've seen probably 1 out of 30 kiters use them.

For me the price is an issue - at often greater than $200 bucks a pump, its money that I don't have and kiting is almost out of my affordability as is. I guess it's possible they get stolen also?

However I was thinking of building one out of separate parts from China myself. Just a small unit that would probably cost $100 bucks to put together. I do like the idea of having the kite inflate quickly, as a beginner it takes me about 2-3 times as long to setup as the regular guys so any time savings in setup means more practice on water.

If you have one how much did you pay? If you use a manual pump - what's stopping you buy an electric inflater?

Efilnikufesin
QLD, 135 posts
6 Apr 2015 1:49PM
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I 've thought about getting one , my local shop has a naish model for about ,$270 . But then again , I like to use the pump up time as a warm up before I kite , so I guess that's why I like the manual pump . Each to his own though I guess

suface2air
QLD, 701 posts
6 Apr 2015 2:16PM
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Simple ; money and they are bulkey and heavy . But I would have one in a hart beat if I could as the manual pumps design is stupid unless you are a dwaft the handel is way to close to the ground and hurts your back even with bending your knees .

flyingcab
VIC, 942 posts
6 Apr 2015 2:18PM
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get one that is 2 stage, the main reason these are so expensive is because they are either fast inflate with low pressure or slow deflate with high pressure. 2 stage has both.
This means you get the correct pressure but its still pretty quick.

scotteth
7 posts
6 Apr 2015 12:30PM
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suface2air said..
Simple ; money and they are bulkey and heavy . But I would have one in a hart beat if I could as the manual pumps design is stupid unless you are a dwaft the handel is way to close to the ground and hurts your back even with bending your knees .



Yes, the one that I've seen was very bulky. I assume some are made as general inflaters and allow you to inflate lots of things without having to recharge the battery.

I'm 6'2 and manual pumps also seem to kill my back, whether I bend at the knees or not.

Efilnikufesin - what size is the naish pump?

I'd like a smallish pump like this one below (but for less than $300)












Main
QLD, 2338 posts
6 Apr 2015 3:13PM
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They are great !

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
6 Apr 2015 2:05PM
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On a normal 8-12m kite i'm yet to see genuine proof they pump quicker, unless the pump attachment is the thin one. It's just pure laziness for people with too much money.

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
6 Apr 2015 4:23PM
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MDSXR6T said..
On a normal 8-12m kite i'm yet to see genuine proof they pump quicker, unless the pump attachment is the thin one. It's just pure laziness for people with too much money.


OR
People with bad backs
People with bad shoulder
Older people that like to kite instead of having a heart attack pumping up
Tall people

Then my category...
Lazy people....

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
6 Apr 2015 4:33PM
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scotteth said..
Just wondering why more people don't use those electric pumps to inflate their kite. I've seen probably 1 out of 30 kiters use them.

For me the price is an issue - at often greater than $200 bucks a pump, its money that I don't have and kiting is almost out of my affordability as is. I guess it's possible they get stolen also?

However I was thinking of building one out of separate parts from China myself. Just a small unit that would probably cost $100 bucks to put together. I do like the idea of having the kite inflate quickly, as a beginner it takes me about 2-3 times as long to setup as the regular guys so any time savings in setup means more practice on water.

If you have one how much did you pay? If you use a manual pump - what's stopping you buy an electric inflater?


You say price is the issue and then you say you are time poor as well because your not on the water as quick as the other guys.

I have been kiting for about 10 years (try pumping a 17 Fuel as a first kite), im slow at setting up, or more to the point im not in a hurry as I have plenty of time on the water.

IMO the time you spend stuffing around building a pump and then stuffing around with it at the beach is a "woftam"
Think about other areas of saving time, drive faster to the beach, knock off from work early (or school) apply sunblock at traffic lights (or while driving if running red lights), leave some air in kite from last session and make sure you roll lines up neatly from last session as running out will be quick without tangles.

If you work it out a good hand pump will come out on top every time

Efilnikufesin
QLD, 135 posts
6 Apr 2015 4:47PM
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scotteth said...
suface2air said..
Simple ; money and they are bulkey and heavy . But I would have one in a hart beat if I could as the manual pumps design is stupid unless you are a dwaft the handel is way to close to the ground and hurts your back even with bending your knees .



Yes, the one that I've seen was very bulky. I assume some are made as general inflaters and allow you to inflate lots of things without having to recharge the battery.

I'm 6'2 and manual pumps also seem to kill my back, whether I bend at the knees or not.

Efilnikufesin - what size is the naish pump?

I'd like a smallish pump like this one below (but for less than $300)
















I couldn't give you an exact size , I didn't have a good look at it but the shop owner was holding the box with one hand , so quite compact I would suspect !

scotteth
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6 Apr 2015 2:54PM
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You say price is the issue and then you say you are time poor as well because your not on the water as quick as the other guys.

I have been kiting for about 10 years (try pumping a 17 Fuel as a first kite), im slow at setting up, or more to the point im not in a hurry as I have plenty of time on the water.

IMO the time you spend stuffing around building a pump and then stuffing around with it at the beach is a "woftam"
Think about other areas of saving time, drive faster to the beach, knock off from work early (or school) apply sunblock at traffic lights (or while driving if running red lights), leave some air in kite from last session and make sure you roll lines up neatly from last session as running out will be quick without tangles.

If you work it out a good hand pump will come out on top every time



I live about 2.5 hours away from the beach so I'm usually in a rush to get out once I'm there (usually a day trip). My main lack of time and experience is because I don't get out there as often as I would like. I do have the time to spend a few hours at home trying to make something that might be useful. I guess its a side project that will keep me interested in the sport while not being able to get down as often as I can.

I'm totally jealous all those that can knock off work to hit the beach when the wind picks up. I do try keep my lines wrapped well.

But I guess my main curiousity was why others don't buy them - I mean judging by the cost of owning a decent quiver of kites, plenty seem to be in a good financial position for the hobby. I was wondering if there was something wrong with them, poor value for money, no advantage over manual pump, like the warm up etc.

Efilnikufesin
QLD, 135 posts
6 Apr 2015 5:02PM
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I just remembered something about that naish pump , I wasn't really listening to the guy cause he was on the sell and I was just there to buy a harness I'm pretty sure he said the pump is rechargeable so you don't have to run cables out of your car or whatever and it did look pretty small ( hope that helps ) !

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
6 Apr 2015 3:07PM
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Sometimes I have to inflate/deflate my 12m 3 to 4 times as I'm currently having issues with the bladder poping out past the valves. Electric pump would be awesome but too $$$

Efilnikufesin
QLD, 135 posts
6 Apr 2015 5:12PM
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There is a thread on the naish pump under ' gear reviews ' give it a read

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
6 Apr 2015 3:13PM
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MDSXR6T said..
On a normal 8-12m kite i'm yet to see genuine proof they pump quicker, unless the pump attachment is the thin one. It's just pure laziness for people with too much money.


Lazy people are responsible for some of the worlds greatest inventions, microwave ovens, gas/electric cooktops, electric windows, power steering, email.........

Don't suppose you use any of those???


wellsy73
NSW, 13 posts
6 Apr 2015 5:36PM
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After a couple years of pumpin I spoilt myself and picked an electric pump up from Newport boats off of ebay for $195 and it works a treat. You can also choose your inflation level whether you like'm pumped up hard or a little softer. Has an automatic pressure cut off. ;-) I simply hook it up to my car battery to charge on the way to the beach (luckily my car battery is in my boot) and in 15mins it takes to get there its charged enough to pump up whatever you need.... happy days...

scotteth
7 posts
6 Apr 2015 3:58PM
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Thanks Efilnikufesin - some very amusing comments on the Naish Pump review page.

Hey Wellsy - how long does it take your pump to fill the kite (and what size kite)?

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
6 Apr 2015 7:05PM
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Wow 2.5 hours from beach, you are the keenest kiter I now know, Im less than 2,5 km from my local, Actually 1.9 km front door to sand.


You will be totally jealous now

As for time I spend pumping my kites, light wind kite takes about a minute at about 120 strokes, storm kite takes about a minute at about 120 strokes, yep I only have 1 kite and 1 board, so while other guys are standing around thinking about what they are going to pump up I get the jump on them.

eppo
WA, 9690 posts
6 Apr 2015 7:09PM
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As I'm 90 percent of the time on 13m kites and bigger, plus they are non one pump, I use an Island electric pump.

I keep mine in a back pack with a kite attachment on the top the back pack (Don't use the bag it comes in). Make it very portable and it just sits on your back if you need to walk somewhere.

provides Exactly the same pressure everytime.

But they are a first world luxury that's for sure.



SibboV1
368 posts
6 Apr 2015 7:26PM
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Craig66 said..
takes about a minute at about 120 strokes


I'm done in about 1/2 that time....

wellsy73
NSW, 13 posts
7 Apr 2015 9:50AM
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mate probably takes about 2-2 1/2 mins to fully inflate.. just gives you enough time to run your lines out or quickly get the rest of your gear out of the car and set up to take it down to the beach, depending where you set up. That's with a 17 zephyr or 11.. the 9 blows up pretty quick so you have to hot tail. The only problem I've found with them is you have to anchor the pump when the winds really up as the kite can get some lift under it and will sometimes start dragging your pump as the pumps aren't that weighty.

Mark50
NSW, 166 posts
7 Apr 2015 10:11AM
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Complete waste of money IMHO. It takes a couple of minutes at most to pump a kite up (even my 17m Zephyr) and as others have said, helps warm you up. Just adds more junk to have to take kiting (board, kite, harness and hand pump is so simple and light) and something else to maintain. Prefer to spend my money on other more useful things.

eppo
WA, 9690 posts
7 Apr 2015 8:39AM
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Mark50 said..
Complete waste of money IMHO. It takes a couple of minutes at most to pump a kite up (even my 17m Zephyr) and as others have said, helps warm you up. Just adds more junk to have to take kiting (board, kite, harness and hand pump is so simple and light) and something else to maintain. Prefer to spend my money on other more useful things.



So take it you've owned a decent one and never found it useful. Would you like to sell it to me then if you were not using it?

scotteth
7 posts
7 Apr 2015 8:56AM
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Thanks guys - great to see the different opinions on offer here.

I do like the idea of being able to run the lines out while the kite is being pumped, maybe some sort of anchor on the pump for when the winds are heavier (or an in built cooler that can weight it down with a few post post session beers )


eppo
WA, 9690 posts
7 Apr 2015 10:01AM
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Well coast flyer that just looks like the island pump but hell of a lot cheaper. Im sure someone may chime in as to why you would pay another 150 to 180 for the same looking unit. maybe the moving parts are gold encrusted or something.

So 120 bucks (plus delivery of course)...how much would a kite or even a bar depreciate in a year. Even if it lasted only a year, it could be seen as a wearable cost if you were so inclined.

Trick is is always charge them after every use. Batteries don't like being run down low/ and left low in charge On any device.

toppleover
QLD, 2067 posts
7 Apr 2015 1:04PM
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After seeing this post, I dug out my old Bravo bst pump that I havn't used for 2 or 3 years. Plugged her in & seems like the battery may have died...... Can these batteries be replaced ?

TrafficJam
WA, 19 posts
7 Apr 2015 11:11AM
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Amazon is $208 delivered to my door, have to assume it's in USD which puts it at $275 AUD depending on the exchange rate. almost cheaper to buy here right now and you know what you are getting...

If wrong that would be quite a saving though

coastflyer
SA, 600 posts
7 Apr 2015 1:21PM
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toppleover said..
After seeing this post, I dug out my old Bravo bst pump that I havn't used for 2 or 3 years. Plugged her in & seems like the battery may have died...... Can these batteries be replaced ?


I also have some RC drones that I use for aerial photography and for the pump I use one of the batteries from these. They are Lithium Polymer 3S 4100 milliamp cells rated at 11.1 volts . Fully charged, they are very close to 12 volts and will last about 15 minutes. Also, a 12 volt gell cell battery will work quite well. These are some examples.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16498__ZIPPY_Flightmax_5000mAh_3S1P_45C.html

LiPo batteries do require a special charger.

www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__58285__IMAX_B6AC_V2_Professional_Balance_Charger_Discharger.html


Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
7 Apr 2015 12:04PM
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scotteth said..
... maybe some sort of anchor on the pump for when the winds are heavier




I've recently started using a tent peg plus some string when rigging up on grass. Works well.

7 Apr 2015 2:10PM
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Fairly certain that one on Amazon is the version without the internal battery. Not so useful if you can't pump your kite near your car.

eppo
WA, 9690 posts
7 Apr 2015 1:32PM
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loopers said..
Amazon is $208 delivered to my door, have to assume it's in USD which puts it at $275 AUD depending on the exchange rate. almost cheaper to buy here right now and you know what you are getting...

If wrong that would be quite a saving though


Well ya might as well get it local then if that's the case. I know the shops near but zero margin on them...apparently.



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